I often wonder how a team of all alphas (magic, Jordan, Kobe, bird, shaq) would work together. Would they go undefeated, or implode?
Yep, good to see him on the floor.concordtom said:
Anyone else notice Ty Wallace got some PT for the Clips?
He's hanging in there!
I predict they will be able to turn it on when they need to, just enough to win another one this season.sycasey said:
Honestly?
I no longer consider the Warriors the favorite to win the title after that game. You can see that the other teams are way hungrier than they are. The Clips won't take them out, but the Rockets will. Or the Bucks in the Finals. Some team that wants it more. This is what happens to dynastic teams after a few deep playoff runs in a row. You can't keep it up forever.
They needed a CP3 injury and a historic 0-21 straight on 3 pointers to beat a better HOU team last year.concordtom said:
Charles Barkley saw the fall and said it was reminiscent of when he had his thigh injury the muscle just rolls right up light a window shade. He suspected cousins to be out a good long while.
Then cameras came up with this shot of cousins' muscle doing just as Charles had said.
And now news reports say that cousins will be lucky to make it back by the finals.
He is probably done for the year, it suggested.
Warriors have looked like champs at times, but at other times like champs that aremprime for an upset surprise.
I've said earlier in this thread I could see them losing to the Rockets for this reason. Last night was exhibit A. Durant played like a puss.
bearister said:
Watching the game now it is interesting to focus just on Klay. When he is on D he rarely even hand checks his man. On O, his defender alternates between a hand check jersey grab and a two hand body hug the entire time they guard him. No whistle. Curious how that is allowed.
I assume under his Code of Honor Klay considers it pu$$ie to play D like his opponent plays D on him.
I remember teams (especially Stanford) absolutely assaulting Crabbe off the ball, shoving, grabbing, holding him. if the recent rules had been in place, he would have been even more dominant at Calsycasey said:bearister said:
Watching the game now it is interesting to focus just on Klay. When he is on D he rarely even hand checks his man. On O, his defender alternates between a hand check jersey grab and a two hand body hug the entire time they guard him. No whistle. Curious how that is allowed.
I assume under his Code of Honor Klay considers it pu$$ie to play D like his opponent plays D on him.
Off-ball grabbing and tugging has rarely been called in the history of the NBA. It's just the Warriors rely on a lot of off-ball movement to set up their offense, so you notice it more.
HoopDreams said:I remember teams (especially Stanford) absolutely assaulting Crabbe off the ball, shoving, grabbing, holding him. if the recent rules had been in place, he would have been even more dominant at Calsycasey said:bearister said:
Watching the game now it is interesting to focus just on Klay. When he is on D he rarely even hand checks his man. On O, his defender alternates between a hand check jersey grab and a two hand body hug the entire time they guard him. No whistle. Curious how that is allowed.
I assume under his Code of Honor Klay considers it pu$$ie to play D like his opponent plays D on him.
Off-ball grabbing and tugging has rarely been called in the history of the NBA. It's just the Warriors rely on a lot of off-ball movement to set up their offense, so you notice it more.
Kudos to Harden for being immensely successful. I don't dislike HIM for his style of play, but I still don't care for the style. The Charles Barkleys of the world might not like Curry's style, but I would argue that it's beautiful and many, if not most, agree. Harden is tremendously effective, but does anybody like watching it? In my rule book, when a player with the ball initiates contact like that, it should be an offensive foul more often.ClayK said:
James Harden's style of play and ability to take advantage of the way the game is officiated can't detract from the fact that he is one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game.
Would he have put up these numbers 20 years ago? Of course not. But Steph Curry would have been hammered by every post player in the league when he tried to cut through the lane, and would have been pushed and shoved every time he had the ball.
The game today is the game today, and Harden analyzed it, applied his tremendous athleticism and basketball IQ, and became an almost unstoppable force. It's not his fault the officials officiate the way they do, nor that the percentages dictate that he should play the way he does. If the Rockets' style is annoying, it's no different than the three-happy state of the game at all levels that annoys old-timers who love post play and brute force around the basket.
Disliking Harden for what he does is the same as disliking Curry for what he does -- neither could have been the same player 20 years ago, and both have adjusted their games to how the sport is played today.
91Cal said:
Astounds me that even the talking heads always seem to mention Paul's injury as the defining factor, but never seems mention the Iguodala injury in the 4th quarter of game 3 where the Warriors pummeled Houston on the return to Oakland.
Taking advantage, Houston (with Paul) went on to win the next two, but once Paul went out BOTH teams were without key players.
Andre may not be as big a star as Chris Paul, but with him Golden State was a completely different team and he is absolutely key to defending the Rockets and taking advantage of their lack of size on D.
Uh, noClayK said:
Disliking Harden for what he does is the same as disliking Curry for what he does -- neither could have been the same player 20 years ago, and both have adjusted their games to how the sport is played today.
We're not just talking about legitimate fouls, even by today's standards. Take a look at the first play in this youtube where he blatantly, egregiously hooks the defender (and gets away with it) and tell me if you think this play is ethically or stylistically equivalent to what Curry does. Later in the youtube, he hooks LeBron almost as badly.ClayK said:
James Harden's style of play and ability to take advantage of the way the game is officiated can't detract from the fact that he is one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game.
Would he have put up these numbers 20 years ago? Of course not. But Steph Curry would have been hammered by every post player in the league when he tried to cut through the lane, and would have been pushed and shoved every time he had the ball.
The game today is the game today, and Harden analyzed it, applied his tremendous athleticism and basketball IQ, and became an almost unstoppable force. It's not his fault the officials officiate the way they do, nor that the percentages dictate that he should play the way he does. If the Rockets' style is annoying, it's no different than the three-happy state of the game at all levels that annoys old-timers who love post play and brute force around the basket.
Disliking Harden for what he does is the same as disliking Curry for what he does -- neither could have been the same player 20 years ago, and both have adjusted their games to how the sport is played today.
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Mine would be encourage refs to make flop calls and then all flop calls are subject to automatic review. If the call is affirmed then it is a technical foul.