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Every post by BF2 needs to be flagged.

He is everything that is wrong with the internet and is part of the dangerous disinformation dissemination. He makes no attempt to engage in dialogue or conversation or learn or change and instead is just another node, albeit ineffectual, on the domestic terrorist network.

I would like to see him permanently removed from BI. We don't need to be tolerant of his types any longer. They all went too far and now need to be held to account everywhere. To hopefully go sober up somewhere if that is possible. This goes for others here too, but he is the worst offender.

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Ive flagged him to Greg Bear. I honestly dont see what value BF2 brings other than to spread misinformation. I mean look at his sources - every single one of them is some sort of "independent journalist" or from a right-wing conservative blog that has been criticized universally as literally being fake news.

Im all for free speech but the dude spams this board with fake conspiracy theories. He is literally here to troll.

Ive finally put him on ignore but it sucks that even on ignore, he still has a large footprint on here.

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Yogi_Bear said:

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I prefer that they stick with the Andrew Jackson statue. I think it's always important to remember that the Democratic Party is the party of the Trail of Tears, of slavery, and of Jim Crow.

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golden sloth said:

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There needs to be some sort of punishment for Trump, but I dont want impeachment to impair congress' ability to pass legislation during the new session. Passing legislation should the first priority, not exercising past demons.

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You think this is just going to go away after Jan.20?

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No, but I do think it would be better to focus on the job at hand, and ways to improve the lives of Americans rather than start something that is certainly going to turn into a media circus.

I want my senators from california to spend their time passing legislation establishing voting rights, taking effective action on climate change, slashing the military budget, reinvesting in national infrastructure, establishing transparency measures and codifying the norms of the president and helping the roll out of the vaccine. They finally have power, I'd rather they use that power to pass legislation rather than squander it with a media circus that would be impeachment, when the person you want to impeach is no longer in office. Power is fleeting, when you have it, you should use it.

I believe the goal should be meaningful legislation.

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golden sloth said:

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golden sloth said:

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There needs to be some sort of punishment for Trump, but I dont want impeachment to impair congress' ability to pass legislation during the new session. Passing legislation should the first priority, not exercising past demons.

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You think this is just going to go away after Jan.20?

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No, but I do think it would be better to focus on the job at hand, and ways to improve the lives of Americans rather than start something that is certainly going to turn into a media circus.

I want my senators from california to spend their time passing legislation establishing voting rights, taking effective action on climate change, slashing the military budget, reinvesting in national infrastructure, establishing transparency measures and codifying the norms of the president and helping the roll out of the vaccine. They finally have power, I'd rather they use that power to pass legislation rather than squander it with a media circus that would be impeachment, when the person you want to impeach is no longer in office. Power is fleeting, when you have it, you should use it.

I believe the goal should be meaningful legislation.

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We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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I would prefer to instantly have my own flying unicorn. My chances of having that in the next 10 years are equal to having Medicare for all.

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There will be no unity until there's justice.

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When someone breaks into your house and robs you you don't go to trial and seek unity with the perp. You seek accountability.

There is a time for healing and there is a time for accountability. Until we have accountability, the environment isn't even safe to discuss healing.

You can't have freedom while being intimidated and you can't have healing until there is freedom.

At this point, the BS arguments being made by the Republicans on the house floor about the President being innocent of what happened on Wednesday, about what the constitution allows, about healing and about BLM and about gun rights have to be taken in the context of who is talking---a bunch of hypocritical liers who have willingly ignored their oath of office and have decided to only represent the party not the country. In any case, their credibility to lecture on the constition, the rule of law, healing and civil rights is a joke in itself. But I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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I liked Colbert's take on this. When you go to confession, you must first repent the sin to be forgiven. You'd think Trump's "christian" followers would understand this concept. Can you imagine, "Bless me Father for I did the same sin as some other guy and so God needs to not divide us and forgive me for this sin I am not admitting I did."

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blungld, you need to repent.

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I do not demonize everyone who supports Trump, just those who support the spread of lies and propaganda that exonerates and excuses crimes against our nation.

I don't want to be silent and accept the "just following orders" or "every good Nazi..." mentality that parades itself as free speech or the "wild west" of the internet message board. There are legitimate discussions and political disagreement and then there is endorsing criminal behavior and furthering dangerous speech. You are a cult member spewing hateful dissent. I won't stand by or stand for it.

It probably makes no difference, but I just want public record that I want you removed and the kind of memes and propaganda you disseminate to not be tolerated on these forums anymore. You are part of the national problem.

That is not limiting free speech, it is limiting speech aimed at limiting freedom. Big difference.

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According to the right, the "spreading of lies and propaganda that exonerates and excuses crimes against our nation" is coming from the Democrats. Who controls the television airwaves and social media? What's so obvious to many is lost on you and many on this board. Nazi?....you can't help yourself demonizing others who disagree with you, shame on you.

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I would prefer to instantly have my own flying unicorn. My chances of having that in the next 10 years are equal to having Medicare for all.

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If I were the Democrats, I would at earliest convenience vote on a good, simple universal healthcare bill. Let the vote be counted and let everyone see how far away they are from meaningful healthcare reform and what they need to do politically to get it. And then drop the issue like a hot potato.

Clinton spent tons of political capital achieving nothing with health care.

Obama destroyed his chances of every other piece of meaningful reform he could have gotten with the tons of political capital he had to start by spending it all on a crappy law because he couldn't pass a good one.

The Democrats have got to stop kneecapping themselves with this. Vote. Expose the obstacles and move on.

But the choice presented was not what would I pick, instantly getting impeachment or instantly getting to vote on a M4all bill to expose those who oppose it. That is an easy choice. Impeach now. Hold a vote on M4All bill later. The choice presented was between impeachment, which I will get, and M4All which I have no chance of getting.

A bird in the hand is worth infinitely more than zero in the bush.

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I would prefer to instantly have my own flying unicorn. My chances of having that in the next 10 years are equal to having Medicare for all.

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If I were the Democrats, I would at earliest convenience vote on a good, simple universal healthcare bill. Let the vote be counted and let everyone see how far away they are from meaningful healthcare reform and what they need to do politically to get it. And then drop the issue like a hot potato.

Clinton spent tons of political capital achieving nothing with health care.

Obama destroyed his chances of every other piece of meaningful reform he could have gotten with the tons of political capital he had to start by spending it all on a crappy law because he couldn't pass a good one.

The Democrats have got to stop kneecapping themselves with this. Vote. Expose the obstacles and move on.

But the choice presented was not what would I pick, instantly getting impeachment or instantly getting to vote on a M4all bill to expose those who oppose it. That is an easy choice. Impeach now. Hold a vote on M4All bill later. The choice presented was between impeachment, which I will get, and M4All which I have no chance of getting.

A bird in the hand is worth infinitely more than zero in the bush.

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My only disagreement here is that I would not drop the issue like a hot potato, I would then just send all Democrats in Congress or working for the White House out into the field to talk, all day and every day, about why they couldn't get these popular things passed. Once you are stymied in Congress, take your case to the American people.

That, IMO, is where the Obama administration failed most (though I do give them credit for getting something done). They did a poor job of continuing to campaign for their own bill. Seemed like they just assumed that once they got the thing passed, the goodness of the ACA would become self-evident (even though many of the most beneficial provisions of the law were pushed out several years). No, you need to keep campaigning. When the opposition is as entrenched as it is, the campaign never ends. I hope the Biden administration and Congressional leadership have learned that lesson.

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I do think there are some objectives that could be achieved even without a filibuster proof majority. I think everyone is okay with a bill to help distribute vaccines. I think some Republicans would vote for an infrastructure bill. I think some Republicans would vote for increased transparency and actually writing those unwritten rules Trump continuously exploited to prevent corruption and abuse of power. I agree Medicare for all, and national voting rights might not be possible, and environmental issues will be through executive action and the rebuilding of the EPA. The big idea bills might not be there, but there plenty of other impactful issues that are. I know it's not sexy, but I'd prefer a string of singles and doubles rather than a homerun.

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Sorry this is so long, but in a forum that isnt a bunch of randoms, I want to be more clear than short posts will allow.

Let me start by saying this is obviously the worst that has happened in the last decade at least. But in ten years will it be the first shot, or last shot? In my mind that answer starts to come around with a trial on this impeachment.

But; The idea that this is a single thing caused by Trump is absurdism. This type of political violence has been on steadily on the rise for a long time. Hell, when Trump was inaugurated, they had running riots through DC. If you dont POWERFULLY denounce the political violence of ALL sides as it happens, it emboldens political violence as a legitimate tool to achieve political goals.

Continuously, for the second half of 2020 we had literal insurrection in the form of lawless "Autonomous zones" around the country with no denunciation from the "left." We had police stations burning down. We had attacks on federal Court Houses all summer with the "left" blaming the people tasked with protecting our court houses. The Vice President of the United States (in 7 days) was tweeting support for those arrested enacting that violence, raising money to get them back on the streets.

And the left was supportive. Refusing to denounce the violence because it was just a "small group" in a mostly peaceful protest. OF COURSE it will escalate. There was no way that wide spread political violence being labeled "mostly peaceful protests" would not escalate.

The sickening thing is that even in this thread, with smart people, you see it as a one way street. As though your side had "the most perfect protests. Big beautiful protests. The most peaceful protests!" and it isnt true, and until we start calling out this political violence out when we see it, we may be able to push the other side underground for a while, but we cant slow it down or stop it. BLM riots all summer were ****ed up. Period. Maybe you agree with the cause, but that agreement blinded 100% of the non right leaning media to handwave the near constant rioting and looting as irrelevant, and push to bail those people out of jail...

And dont bull**** yourself. The people getting bailed out are criminals. VERY few people are held long enough to need bail, and those that are, are charged because there is evidence. They are who needed bail because they had serious charges against them...


I think its obvious Trumps speech incited this most recent violence. That they went chanting "Hang Mike Pence" shows that... But was it worse than this type of speech advocating direct assault on government officials? Is it "OK" because "your side" said it? Where is the outrage when the nazi tactics of forcing people to do your parties salute at a restaurant? You cant even find moderate news outlets reporting on it, and there is video. If you can excuse this ****, you dont want to solve the problem of political violence, you just want to monopolize it. It is a two way street. If you are too blind to see that this is just a next step in the evolution of political violence, you are saying its not the last step, its just another step.


Trump should be convicted and banned from office. NO agenda that Biden or the democrats have should supersede the need (at least to attempt) to definitively say "This is too far, you dont get to hold office again." If you think bail out checks or ACA or whatever small potato things they have scheduled for the first hundred days is more important than protecting our democracy and constitution, I think you are nuts.

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LunchTime said:

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Sorry this is so long, but in a forum that isnt a bunch of randoms, I want to be more clear than short posts will allow.

Let me start by saying this is obviously the worst that has happened in the last decade at least. But in ten years will it be the first shot, or last shot? In my mind that answer starts to come around with a trial on this impeachment.

But; The idea that this is a single thing caused by Trump is absurdism. This type of political violence has been on steadily on the rise for a long time. Hell, when Trump was inaugurated, they had running riots through DC. If you dont POWERFULLY denounce the political violence of ALL sides as it happens, it emboldens political violence as a legitimate tool to achieve political goals.

Continuously, for the second half of 2020 we had literal insurrection in the form of lawless "Autonomous zones" around the country with no denunciation from the "left." We had police stations burning down. We had attacks on federal Court Houses all summer with the "left" blaming the people tasked with protecting our court houses. The Vice President of the United States (in 7 days) was tweeting support for those arrested enacting that violence, raising money to get them back on the streets.

And the left was supportive. Refusing to denounce the violence because it was just a "small group" in a mostly peaceful protest. OF COURSE it will escalate. There was no way that wide spread political violence being labeled "mostly peaceful protests" would not escalate.

The sickening thing is that even in this thread, with smart people, you see it as a one way street. As though your side had "the most perfect protests. Big beautiful protests. The most peaceful protests!" and it isnt true, and until we start calling out this political violence out when we see it, we may be able to push the other side underground for a while, but we cant slow it down or stop it. BLM riots all summer were ****ed up. Period. Maybe you agree with the cause, but that agreement blinded 100% of the non right leaning media to handwave the near constant rioting and looting as irrelevant, and push to bail those people out of jail...

And dont bull**** yourself. The people getting bailed out are criminals. VERY few people are held long enough to need bail, and those that are, are charged because there is evidence. They are who needed bail because they had serious charges against them...


I think its obvious Trumps speech incited this most recent violence. That they went chanting "Hang Mike Pence" shows that... But was it worse than this type of speech advocating direct assault on government officials? Is it "OK" because "your side" said it? Where is the outrage when the nazi tactics of forcing people to do your parties salute at a restaurant? You cant even find moderate news outlets reporting on it, and there is video. If you can excuse this ****, you dont want to solve the problem of political violence, you just want to monopolize it. It is a two way street. If you are too blind to see that this is just a next step in the evolution of political violence, you are saying its not the last step, its just another step.


Trump should be convicted and banned from office. NO agenda that Biden or the democrats have should supersede the need (at least to attempt) to definitively say "This is too far, you dont get to hold office again." If you think bail out checks or ACA or whatever small potato things they have scheduled for the first hundred days is more important than protecting our democracy and constitution, I think you are nuts.

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LunchTime said:

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Sorry this is so long, but in a forum that isnt a bunch of randoms, I want to be more clear than short posts will allow.

Let me start by saying this is obviously the worst that has happened in the last decade at least. But in ten years will it be the first shot, or last shot? In my mind that answer starts to come around with a trial on this impeachment.

But; The idea that this is a single thing caused by Trump is absurdism. This type of political violence has been on steadily on the rise for a long time. Hell, when Trump was inaugurated, they had running riots through DC. If you dont POWERFULLY denounce the political violence of ALL sides as it happens, it emboldens political violence as a legitimate tool to achieve political goals.

Continuously, for the second half of 2020 we had literal insurrection in the form of lawless "Autonomous zones" around the country with no denunciation from the "left." We had police stations burning down. We had attacks on federal Court Houses all summer with the "left" blaming the people tasked with protecting our court houses. The Vice President of the United States (in 7 days) was tweeting support for those arrested enacting that violence, raising money to get them back on the streets.

And the left was supportive. Refusing to denounce the violence because it was just a "small group" in a mostly peaceful protest. OF COURSE it will escalate. There was no way that wide spread political violence being labeled "mostly peaceful protests" would not escalate.

The sickening thing is that even in this thread, with smart people, you see it as a one way street. As though your side had "the most perfect protests. Big beautiful protests. The most peaceful protests!" and it isnt true, and until we start calling out this political violence out when we see it, we may be able to push the other side underground for a while, but we cant slow it down or stop it. BLM riots all summer were ****ed up. Period. Maybe you agree with the cause, but that agreement blinded 100% of the non right leaning media to handwave the near constant rioting and looting as irrelevant, and push to bail those people out of jail...

And dont bull**** yourself. The people getting bailed out are criminals. VERY few people are held long enough to need bail, and those that are, are charged because there is evidence. They are who needed bail because they had serious charges against them...


I think its obvious Trumps speech incited this most recent violence. That they went chanting "Hang Mike Pence" shows that... But was it worse than this type of speech advocating direct assault on government officials? Is it "OK" because "your side" said it? Where is the outrage when the nazi tactics of forcing people to do your parties salute at a restaurant? You cant even find moderate news outlets reporting on it, and there is video. If you can excuse this ****, you dont want to solve the problem of political violence, you just want to monopolize it. It is a two way street. If you are too blind to see that this is just a next step in the evolution of political violence, you are saying its not the last step, its just another step.


Trump should be convicted and banned from office. NO agenda that Biden or the democrats have should supersede the need (at least to attempt) to definitively say "This is too far, you dont get to hold office again." If you think bail out checks or ACA or whatever small potato things they have scheduled for the first hundred days is more important than protecting our democracy and constitution, I think you are nuts.

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