Kamala Harris for President

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The campaign gave money to Beyonce but she didn't sing!
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Happy Roevember said:

82gradDLSdad said:

dajo9 said:

82gradDLSdad said:

bear2034 said:


Why did Kamala skip out on the Al Smith dinner?
Never knew about this dinner. I give Schumer a lot of credit for sitting there and not showing too much displeasure with Trump. Again, not knowing anything about this dinner it seems like Kamala should have gone. She could have had some fun at Trump's expense. Seems like good PR at the very least.
Vice President Harris has shown she has zero interest in doing things the old way. She is carving a new path for Presidential campaigns and with how great a job she is doing, future campaigns will emulate her path. Kamala Harris is the next generation of leadership that is way past due.
I'm sure Nancy will try to get her likeness on Mt. Rushmore right alongside Biden's.


This thing has some legs. Some Democrats are considering asking Joe Biden to resign to allow Kamala Harris become the first woman president between now and Trump's inauguration.
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bear2034 said:

Happy Roevember said:

82gradDLSdad said:

dajo9 said:

82gradDLSdad said:

bear2034 said:


Why did Kamala skip out on the Al Smith dinner?
Never knew about this dinner. I give Schumer a lot of credit for sitting there and not showing too much displeasure with Trump. Again, not knowing anything about this dinner it seems like Kamala should have gone. She could have had some fun at Trump's expense. Seems like good PR at the very least.
Vice President Harris has shown she has zero interest in doing things the old way. She is carving a new path for Presidential campaigns and with how great a job she is doing, future campaigns will emulate her path. Kamala Harris is the next generation of leadership that is way past due.
I'm sure Nancy will try to get her likeness on Mt. Rushmore right alongside Biden's.


This thing has some legs. Some Democrats are considering asking Joe Biden to resign to allow Kamala Harris become the first woman president between now and Trump's inauguration.

After she assumes that role for a few weeks, I will consider asking her to resign to allow Mike Johnson to become the first Christian-fundamentalist-nutjob-who-appears-normal-on-the-surface to become President.

(VP Harris and I have great rapport. She has been texting me a lot the past few months, often including attractive pics of herself!)
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More DEI puffery.
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bear2034 said:




This thing has some legs. Some Democrats are considering asking Joe Biden to resign to allow Kamala Harris become the first woman president between now and Trump's inauguration.
It just shows that some on the left just don't get it. They are so beholden to identity politics and out of touch with the country they are willing to push a sitting President out of office so a token minority could have a couple of weeks in the big chair. Who cares about the country or even respecting minority women enough to expect them to earn the privilege? Disgusting.
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tequila4kapp said:

bear2034 said:




This thing has some legs. Some Democrats are considering asking Joe Biden to resign to allow Kamala Harris become the first woman president between now and Trump's inauguration.
It just shows that some on the left just don't get it. They are so beholden to identity politics and out of touch with the country they are willing to push a sitting President out of office so a token minority could have a couple of weeks in the big chair. Who cares about the country or even respecting minority women enough to expect them to earn the privilege? Disgusting.

It is a ridiculous idea, though I do hope that VP Harris gets orange slices and a pretty big participation trophy for all of the work she has put in the past several months.
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" …they are willing to push a sitting President out of office.."

tRump and the debate did that by convincing everyone Biden was senile…..and tRump finally got one right. My Mom could walk on the beach normally in her early 90's. Biden looked like he was on a rollercoaster.
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bearister said:

" …they are willing to push a sitting President out of office.."

tRump and the debate did that by convincing everyone Biden was senile…..and tRump finally got one right. My Mom could walk on the beach normally in her early 90's. Biden looked like he was on a rollercoaster.
If that was really true the 25th Amendment would have been invoked. It seems more probable certain power brokers realized he couldn't beat Trump.
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tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

" …they are willing to push a sitting President out of office.."

tRump and the debate did that by convincing everyone Biden was senile…..and tRump finally got one right. My Mom could walk on the beach normally in her early 90's. Biden looked like he was on a rollercoaster.
If that was really true the 25th Amendment would have been invoked. It seems more probable certain power brokers realized he couldn't beat Trump.
You're missing a key point. Invoking the 25th amendment would have discredited the entire democrat party which had been covering him for 4 years. That is why they didn't pull the 25th amendment trigger. That and that fact that the Obama team running the country didn't want to lose power and/or piss off Jill.

It was both the fact that he was senile and couldn't beat Trump (partly because he was too old to campaign).

I'm wondering how long it will be until we start hearing stories of how the country was run the past 4 years and who was making decisions/influencing Biden. In any other context, this would be elder abuse. The dems do a much better job of closing ranks and not leaking. But at some point it will come out.
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I'm not sure who made the - unusual- decision- to have a presidential debate in the summer instead of typical post Labor Day. Maybe both candidates thought it would mean their performance would be forgotten earlier. But this saved the Democrats from an even worse fate.
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BearGoggles said:

tequila4kapp said:

bearister said:

" …they are willing to push a sitting President out of office.."

tRump and the debate did that by convincing everyone Biden was senile…..and tRump finally got one right. My Mom could walk on the beach normally in her early 90's. Biden looked like he was on a rollercoaster.
If that was really true the 25th Amendment would have been invoked. It seems more probable certain power brokers realized he couldn't beat Trump.
You're missing a key point. Invoking the 25th amendment would have discredited the entire democrat party which had been covering him for 4 years. That is why they didn't pull the 25th amendment trigger. That and that fact that the Obama team running the country didn't want to lose power and/or piss off Jill.

It was both the fact that he was senile and couldn't beat Trump (partly because he was too old to campaign).

I'm wondering how long it will be until we start hearing stories of how the country was run the past 4 years and who was making decisions/influencing Biden. In any other context, this would be elder abuse. The dems do a much better job of closing ranks and not leaking. But at some point it will come out.

Resorting back to your true colors now, eh?
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sycasey said:

bearister said:

bear2034 said:

Please don't tell me Harrison Ford partied with Diddy too.

In the Google Image library search term "202 Diddy Trump Photos"

Oh, and BTW:


Ann Selzer's poll in Iowa is one that a lot of people look to as a bellwether of how things are going in the midwest, because a shift in Iowa usually correlates to one across MI, WI, PA, MN, OH, etc. (It pointed to Trump beating expectations in 2016 and 2020, for example.) If this accuracy trend continues, then a blue shift like this would mean Trump is done. He can't win without picking off at least one of the midwestern blue states, and Iowa is redder than Wisconsin or Pennsylvania.



Selzer's attempt at gaslighting was pathetic.
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Assuming this is true . . . oy. Dems need to stop listening to these kinds of staffers.

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^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.
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Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.

It's also less about Kamala herself and more that people broadly on the left shouldn't avoid a popular podcast space like this. It means you aren't reaching an important slice of the electorate

I remember when Bernie went on and got flack for it. That was stupid.
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Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.
She is the person who showed up to the most popular Muslim based pod cast and tried to make a joke about bacon being a seasoning. It was so bad the pod caster shelved the episode.
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sycasey said:

Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.

It's also less about Kamala herself and more that people broadly on the left shouldn't avoid a popular podcast space like this. It means you aren't reaching an important slice of the electorate

I remember when Bernie went on and got flack for it. That was stupid.

Yes, her not going on Rogan is part of a larger issue: She didn't do too many non-friendly interviews and, when she did, she often avoided answering the questions that she was asked.


Not sure that there was any one "mistake" that would've turned the tide though. She would've needed several things to have fallen differently.
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She was advised not to go on Rogan because it would hurt her and to appear with Liz Cheney because it would help her.

Both the advisors and candidate are dumber than bricks
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Anarchistbear said:

She was advised not to go on Rogan because it would hurt her and to appear with Liz Cheney because it would help her.

Both the advisors and candidate are dumber than bricks
This is what gets me about the talk of misogyny. She didn't do anything to appeal to men. Abortion (women) + Trump is Hitler (base) was it.
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Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.

I said this back in July:

" About the only contender worse than Biden is Kamala Harris."

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dimitrig said:


Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.


There was the same polemic about Hillary not having gone to Wisconsin in 2016, but it wouldn't have made any difference either.
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dimitrig said:


Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.

I said this back in July:

" About the only contender worse than Biden is Kamala Harris."
I generally agree. Slight adjustment would be that if you have a tough, close election it can be decided by the totality of several small-ish decisions. The decision to give up free access to @15M men was not a good one and definitely contributed to her L
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Cal88 said:

dimitrig said:


Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.


There was the same polemic about Hillary not having gone to Wisconsin in 2016, but it wouldn't have made any difference either.
To me these kinds of arguments are more of a stand-in for a larger issue:

Hillary thought Democrats had those states in the bag and didn't understand how the ground had shifted.

Kamala (apparently) deferred to her staff's views on the nature of Rogan's podcast rather than taking a free appearance in a popular media space.

In each case it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of where the electorate is.
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dimitrig said:

" About the only contender worse than Biden is Kamala Harris."
Ehh, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Biden would have lost by more.
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She would've won the election with 150,000 more votes in Pa, Michigan and Wisconsin. Turning out prospective Dems was why she lost
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sycasey said:

Assuming this is true . . . oy. Dems need to stop listening to these kinds of staffers.




Blue-haired Karens? Or they knew hour two would be unforgettable.
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Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.


ROTFLMAO

Minor reasons:

1. Historic inflation
2. Wide open border, 8 - 15 million illegals ushered in for WEF Globalists
3. Cities overwhelmed w #2
4. Two wars
5. Over one million dead
6. American cities a dystopian nightmare
7. Our Black brothers saw the bank vault opened for illegal immigrants
8. Catholics, Amish*, and Latinis
9. Pressler, Musk, Rogan, Gabbard, RFK Jr and even Barron
10. Overzealous milk Nazi's*
11. Soft-on-crime policies, coddling criminals
12. Widespread censorship
13. Letting the cartel run the border
14. Progressive policies are kooky (see above)
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tequila4kapp said:

dimitrig said:


Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.

I said this back in July:

" About the only contender worse than Biden is Kamala Harris."
I generally agree. Slight adjustment would be that if you have a tough, close election it can be decided by the totality of several small-ish decisions. The decision to give up free access to @15M men was not a good one and definitely contributed to her L


Free access to 15M men. Huh?
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movielover said:

tequila4kapp said:

dimitrig said:


Not going on Rogan isn't why she lost.

She lost because she was an unelected, unlikeable black female candidate who was associated with the currently unpopular (deserved or not) President.

I said this back in July:

" About the only contender worse than Biden is Kamala Harris."
I generally agree. Slight adjustment would be that if you have a tough, close election it can be decided by the totality of several small-ish decisions. The decision to give up free access to @15M men was not a good one and definitely contributed to her L
Free access to 15M men. Huh?
Rogan's audience is reportedly just short of 15M and overwhelmingly male. So as political demographics go, yes.
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movielover said:

Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.


ROTFLMAO

Minor reasons:

1. Historic inflation

2. Wide open border, 8 - 15 million illegals ushered in for WEF Globalists
3. Cities overwhelmed w #2
4. Two wars
5. Over one million dead
6. American cities a dystopian nightmare
7. Our Black brothers saw the bank vault opened for illegal immigrants
8. Catholics, Amish*, and Latinis
9. Pressler, Musk, Rogan, Gabbard, RFK Jr and even Barron
10. Overzealous milk Nazi's*
11. Soft-on-crime policies, coddling criminals
12. Widespread censorship
13. Letting the cartel run the border
14. Progressive policies are kooky (see above)

I'll just dissect #1 (for now).

a. the inflation in the mid-late '70s, early '80s was the "historic" one. Ancient history for young bucks like you
b. the inflation -- though a real concern for a lot of people -- had mostly come back down
c. sometimes the remedies for inflation can be worse than the inflation itself
d. how was the Vice President responsible for the inflation?
e. how was the President even responsible for the inflation? In the '70s, we saw two Presidents (one GOP, one Dem) have their reelections thwarted by inflation... they couldn't stop it, given "c" (above).

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Big C said:


b. the inflation -- though a real concern for a lot of people -- had mostly come back down
It is a real concern probably because month over month or annual inflation (rate of growth) does not account for the cumulative effect. For example, per CNN the average household spends $1,150 more per month today than during Trump's 1st term; food prices are @23% more, energy @43% and vehicles @20% more.
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The other aspect of inflation is housing, the biggest budget item, rents have gone up quite a bit.
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tequila4kapp said:

Big C said:


b. the inflation -- though a real concern for a lot of people -- had mostly come back down
It is a real concern probably because month over month or annual inflation (rate of growth) does not account for the cumulative effect. For example, per CNN the average household spends $1,150 more per month today than during Trump's 1st term; food prices are @23% more, energy @43% and vehicles @20% more.

Agree. The rate of inflation has come down, even as prices continue to inch up even more.

Politicians have gotten a real wake-up call about inflation: It effects everybody. If 20% of Americans don't have health care, 80% do, If unemployment is 6%, 84% are still have jobs (gross oversimplification, granted).

Some of us remember the "WIN" buttons that President Ford started. ("Whip Inflation Now") Ford lost his election to Carter, who lost to Reagan, as the inflation continued (before finally going back down in the early '80s).
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Big C said:

movielover said:

Big C said:


^ If she had gone on Rogan, no guarantee she would've helped herself. Maybe the opposite. 20/20 hindsight, though: mistake.

Dozens of different, mostly-minor reasons she lost... and they all added up.


ROTFLMAO

Minor reasons:

1. Historic inflation

2. Wide open border, 8 - 15 million illegals ushered in for WEF Globalists
3. Cities overwhelmed w #2
4. Two wars
5. Over one million dead
6. American cities a dystopian nightmare
7. Our Black brothers saw the bank vault opened for illegal immigrants
8. Catholics, Amish*, and Latinis
9. Pressler, Musk, Rogan, Gabbard, RFK Jr and even Barron
10. Overzealous milk Nazi's*
11. Soft-on-crime policies, coddling criminals
12. Widespread censorship
13. Letting the cartel run the border
14. Progressive policies are kooky (see above)

I'll just dissect #1 (for now).

a. the inflation in the mid-late '70s, early '80s was the "historic" one. Ancient history for young bucks like you
b. the inflation -- though a real concern for a lot of people -- had mostly come back down
c. sometimes the remedies for inflation can be worse than the inflation itself
d. how was the Vice President responsible for the inflation?
e. how was the President even responsible for the inflation? In the '70s, we saw two Presidents (one GOP, one Dem) have their reelections thwarted by inflation... they couldn't stop it, given "c" (above).




Biden:

1. Unneeded Stimulus Spending on top of previous Stimulus spending.
2. Infrastructure pork scam Bill
3. Green New Deal scam
4. Extended Lockdowns
5. Support for the Ukranian war / blocking peace deal in Istanbul
6. Blowing up the Nordstream 2 NG pipelines

I think previous estimates are he (Biden / Pelosi / Schumer) added 7-9 Trillion in unneeded spending.
 
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