bear2034 said:

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MAGA is dealing with infighting the Libertarian Party has dealt with for years.

Democrats don’t really understand this because they work off the hivemind.

— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) December 28, 2024

"I support the current thing." - Democrats in unison

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philly1121 said:

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bear2034 said:

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Media liberals still can't comprehend that Trump supporters -- whom they have relentlessly depicted as a blindly loyal leader-worshipping fascist cult -- have actual ideological and policy differences they air.

It's Democrats who march in lockstep with virtually no dissent. pic.twitter.com/C925kSmLFP

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 28, 2024

Democrats keep silent and obey. Even Biden obeys.

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When is the make up party for Elon and Charlie Kirk? Because Charlie literally called out Musk on his ridiculous anti-maga stance on immigration. Who's right, 34? And Orange Leader is silent. We all know who's calling the shots here. lol its quite delicious.

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bear2034 said:

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philly1121 said:

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bear2034 said:

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philly1121 said:

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head in the ground much?

MAGA in chaos right now. Do you want H1B's or don't you? Do you want to invade Greenland or don't you? Panama Canal?

Are you a "comtemptable fool" as Elon has described? lol

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Chaos? The debate is healthy. Remember, cults don't debate.

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You literally got that from Ian Miles Chong. Trying to rationalize and minimalize. Have an original thought please.

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I was here in 2021 saying the Democratic Party is a cult and Joe Biden is your cult leader.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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MAGA is dealing with infighting the Libertarian Party has dealt with for years.

Democrats don’t really understand this because they work off the hivemind.

— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) December 28, 2024

"I support the current thing." - Democrats in unison

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Not an original thought. Copied from elsewhere.

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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MAGA is dealing with infighting the Libertarian Party has dealt with for years.

Democrats don’t really understand this because they work off the hivemind.

— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) December 28, 2024

"I support the current thing." - Democrats in unison

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Not an original thought. Copied from elsewhere.

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It's also plainly untrue. Democrats are constantly infighting, whether it's Hillary vs. Bernie or battles over the Gaza war or keep Joe Biden on the ticket vs. get him out. The party is famous for unproductive sniping!

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There is always political sniping. But how many times was Nancy Pelosi unable to carry a vote for a dem party initiative due to her own party's opposition? I can't recall a single time. Same goes for Schumer. For better or worse, they enforced pretty strict party control and they have never had a sizable renegade wing (like the tea party) to deal with.

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🇺🇸 “H-1B I use, but it shouldn’t exist because it is very bad for workers.”

— Trump in 2016 pic.twitter.com/us3KSobfkW

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) December 28, 2024

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When you control all three branches of government and you have your jack boot on the Democrats grinding their head into the cobblestones, there is only one form of sport left…cannibalism. Let the games of the low charactered begin. They will all be hiring food tasters soon enough.*

*If we learned anything from January 6 is that the proletariat can get quite lathered up when they feel they have been betrayed. The President elect has eventually betrayed everyone in his orbit throughout his life. Some of his working class supporters may not play by the Marquise of Queensberry Rules when they finally figure out that their leader and his tech oligarchs have Iron Duked them.

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movielover said:

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bear2034 said:

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philly1121 said:

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head in the ground much?

MAGA in chaos right now. Do you want H1B's or don't you? Do you want to invade Greenland or don't you? Panama Canal?

Are you a "comtemptable fool" as Elon has described? lol

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Chaos? The debate is healthy. Remember, cults don't debate.

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Touche. Think of the Progressives. Slaughter newborns up until the 9th month, invite 10-15 Million invaders in, promote cities devolving, encourage open-air hard drug use, censorship is good, eviscerate Ukraine in an unwinnable proxy war, and force 200 Million Americans to take an untested not-a-vaxx vaxx.

How did that all turn out? But there was minimal disruption or debate.

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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MAGA is dealing with infighting the Libertarian Party has dealt with for years.

Democrats don’t really understand this because they work off the hivemind.

— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) December 28, 2024

"I support the current thing." - Democrats in unison

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Not an original thought. Copied from elsewhere.

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It's also plainly untrue. Democrats are constantly infighting, whether it's Hillary vs. Bernie or battles over the Gaza war or keep Joe Biden on the ticket vs. get him out. The party is famous for unproductive sniping!

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There is always political sniping. But how many times was Nancy Pelosi unable to carry a vote for a dem party initiative due to her own party's opposition? I can't recall a single time. Same goes for Schumer. For better or worse, they enforced pretty strict party control and they have never had a sizable renegade wing (like the tea party) to deal with.

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That's because they have been smart enough to not hold a vote unless they know it will win.

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You're moving the goal posts (the original point is that there are no sizable renegade groups of dissenting dems) and in any event, I think you have it backwards. Pelosi and Schumer drove policy down on the party and they obediently fell into line. When it came to required votes (i.e., budget and key legislation), there was never really any dissent within the dem party.

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movielover said:

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Is he one of the 51 "intelligence officials" who fraudulently lied and said Hunter Biden's Laptop From Hell was "Russian disinformation"?

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POLLING: America loves a winner. More Americans identify as Republicans than Democrats than any time since the New Deal. Trump is already making a huge difference. Get on the bus or get run over RINOS. pic.twitter.com/csSx7fXJt6

— @amuse (@amuse) December 30, 2024

BearGoggles said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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Is he one of the 51 "intelligence officials" who fraudulently lied and said Hunter Biden's Laptop From Hell was "Russian disinformation"?

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No, Honore' wasn't on of the 51 intelligence officials that signed that letter. Only a few of the 51 had any military background at all and that's if you count the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Nice attempt to dismiss this by muddying the water with something unrelated.

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Did this esteemed ex-military dude no one ever heard of express any similar reservations about the security risks associated with having senile president who can't formulate a cogent paragraph or work a full day?

I note Honore's assertion is that Musk is compromised by his company's very well known and public ties to China/Xi including loans, business relationships, etc.

Did Honore' express any of the same reservations and "security concerns" about the Biden family's hidden ties to Ukrain, China/Xi and many other countries, including the massive payments made to Biden's family? Did he explain why Musk is compromised but the Biden family is not?

I don't think Honore' ever raised concern over those other types of very significant "security issues." And if he didn't, then he should really STFU about Musk who: (i) isn't an actual government official; (ii) has, by law, made public disclosure of Tesla's business dealings in China; and (iii) can be asked questions about these things at any time, because unlike Joe Biden, Musk actually does interviews.

And just to be clear, I think Musk should be asked those types of questions. Just like the Bidens should have. But spare me a hit piece from a political partisan trying to use a military career to bolster an awful argument/political hit job.

Edit: Final points. Honore' is claiming that a $1.5B loan from China to Tesla and other moderate investments somehow compromise Musk, whose personal net worth is probably $500B+. Tesla has like a 7% market share in China and as long as the CCP has any say, will not overtake BYD or other China preferred brands. So the idea that Musk's ties to China - which are not really material to Musk's wealth - will compromise him is questionable.

And I don't think Musk values his wealth more than his ideals. If he did, he would not have gone MAGA and instead would have remained out of politics (and a darling of the left).

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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Is he one of the 51 "intelligence officials" who fraudulently lied and said Hunter Biden's Laptop From Hell was "Russian disinformation"?

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No, Honore' wasn't on of the 51 intelligence officials that signed that letter. Only a few of the 51 had any military background at all and that's if you count the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Nice attempt to dismiss this by muddying the water with something unrelated.

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Did this esteemed ex-military dude no one ever heard of express any similar reservations about the security risks associated with having senile president who can't formulate a cogent paragraph or work a full day?

I note Honore's assertion is that Musk is compromised by his company's very well known and public ties to China/Xi including loans, business relationships, etc.

Did Honore' express any of the same reservations and "security concerns" about the Biden family's hidden ties to Ukrain, China/Xi and many other countries, including the massive payments made to Biden's family? Did he explain why Musk is compromised but the Biden family is not?

I don't think Honore' ever raised concern over those other types of very significant "security issues." And if he didn't, then he should really STFU about Musk who: (i) isn't an actual government official; (ii) has, by law, made public disclosure of Tesla's business dealings in China; and (iii) can be asked questions about these things at any time, because unlike Joe Biden, Musk actually does interviews.

And just to be clear, I think Musk should be asked those types of questions. Just like the Bidens should have. But spare me a hit piece from a political partisan trying to use a military career to bolster an awful argument/political hit job.

Edit: Final points. Honore' is claiming that a $1.5B loan from China to Tesla and other moderate investments somehow compromise Musk, whose personal net worth is probably $500B+. Tesla has like a 7% market share in China and as long as the CCP has any say, will not overtake BYD or other China preferred brands. So the idea that Musk's ties to China - which are not really material to Musk's wealth - will compromise him is questionable.

And I don't think Musk values his wealth more than his ideals. If he did, he would not have gone MAGA and instead would have remained out of politics (and a darling of the left).

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Reading comprehension is fundamental.

I wasn't addressing whether or not Honore' was correct in his assertions. I was merely answering movielover's question about whether Honore' was one of the 51 intelligence officers that signed the letter about Hunter Biden's laptop. He wasn't one of the 51 and that was my whole point.

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BearGoggles said:

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I note Honore's assertion is that Musk is compromised by his company's very well known and public ties to China/Xi including loans, business relationships, etc.

Did Honore' express any of the same reservations and "security concerns" about the Biden family's hidden ties to Ukrain, China/Xi and many other countries, including the massive payments made to Biden's family? Did he explain why Musk is compromised but the Biden family is not?

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