Discussion on Musk's DoGE ideas, the federal deficit, and GDP

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Make up 5 things I accomplished at work this week that they can't really verify...
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"The Trump administration's big cuts to the federal government are hitting military veterans particularly hard, Axios' Emily Peck writes.

Why it matters: Many of those who served in the military derive a sense of purpose and belonging from government work viewing it as a way to serve their country and help their peers outside of active duty.

The big picture: It's not yet clear how many military vets have been fired, or will be. Last year, veterans made up 28% of the federal workforce, according to federal data a far bigger share than the 5% in the private sector.

About 36% of vets working in civil service, more than 200,000 in total, are disabled or have a serious health condition.."
-Axios

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So they'll have two government pensions, sweet.
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chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
movielover
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Maybe they're tracking IP addresses from Nigeria, and Disneyland?
Eastern Oregon Bear
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oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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movielover said:

Maybe they're tracking IP addresses from Nigeria, and Disneyland?
Ever hear of a VPN?
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.
It must be a surreal experience.
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movielover said:

So they'll have two government pensions, sweet.
If they earn them they earn them.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
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oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.
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What a stupid CYA. It is total BS doing this, much less doing it by sending a message like that on a Saturday night for a Monday deadline.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.


You have expenses and revenue. Expenses should be less than revenue, even if you don't have products for sale.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Maybe they're tracking IP addresses from Nigeria, and Disneyland?
Ever hear of a VPN?


Not everyone has or does.
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Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.

The same things that made the US the wealthiest country in the world and the preeminent global power?
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Why didn't Trump shred the government during Trump I? Project 2025 hadn't been written yet? He had appointed competent people that pushed back? He hadn't inked a deal with Putin yet to undermine the United States?
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oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.


You have expenses and revenue. Expenses should be less than revenue, even if you don't have products for sale.
We give away our product to the public for free. There is no revenue. If we were to start charging for what we do, I guarantee the outrage would be HUGE. As for our expenses, they are fairly modest considering the benefits to everyone.
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[Trump has shown no willingness to cut spending.]

Trump 1.0 froze hiring and wanted most departments to cut 10%, then the lzwfare and FBI hoaxes started.

[And those saying that only congress can appropriate/cut are correct.]

But USAID is gone, as well as 300,000 FTE, the largest Federal workforce reduction I can recall.

[Trump could simply announce a hiring freeze]

I thought he effectively had, besides, he cut 300K in one month.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.


You have expenses and revenue. Expenses should be less than revenue, even if you don't have products for sale.
We give away our product to the public for free. There is no revenue. If we were to start charging for what we do, I guarantee the outrage would be HUGE. As for our expenses, they are fairly modest considering the benefits to everyone.


How are you unaware that the government, which you work for, is funded by tax revenue?
Eastern Oregon Bear
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oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.


You have expenses and revenue. Expenses should be less than revenue, even if you don't have products for sale.
We give away our product to the public for free. There is no revenue. If we were to start charging for what we do, I guarantee the outrage would be HUGE. As for our expenses, they are fairly modest considering the benefits to everyone.


How are you unaware that the government, which you work for, is funded by tax revenue?
Well, if you're looking at it that way, our expenses are 0.025% of revenue. Cheap at any price.
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bear2034 said:


Make up 5 things I accomplished at work this week that they can't really verify...


Do you get any credit for posting 40x a day here?
Is Elon cool with that?
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

chazzed said:



In the mean time, until actual fraud is uncovered, DOGE is spending 30-50 million dollars to have government workers write short essays about what they did last week. Just like we did in 2nd grade. At least I'm collecting a bit of overtime since I worked my answer up last night on my own time.

The internal guidance on this in my agency has been hilarious and has changed 4 times since Saturday. The last time was about 10 minutes ago.


Maybe they are just looking for employees that think this is a second grade task yet can't handle it during working hours and are forcing their employer to play them OT to do it.
The overtime wasn't my idea (it came from my bosses), but if OT is being offered, I'll take it on my next paycheck. My response was serious and not written at a second grade level.

I think this was partly an attempt to make job conditions more stressful and chaotic, so that more people decide to quit. Also, to develop an organization table of who reports to who for whatever staff elimination ideas they may have.


If your bosses approved the overtime, they may be looking at them as well. Obviously, if they can effectively justify the overtime, it would be okay. Typically, private companies who are losing money don't award overtime, especially for second grade tasks.
We aren't a private business. My agency doesn't have products for sale, so your comparison makes no sense.

I see now that Elon has said "This was basically a check to see if the employee had a pulse and was capable of replying to an email." So, he spent $30-50 million to confirm what was already shown in his first initial email asking us all to reply to a test email of a new emergency contact system for government employees. What a waste of your tax dollars.


You have expenses and revenue. Expenses should be less than revenue, even if you don't have products for sale.
We give away our product to the public for free. There is no revenue. If we were to start charging for what we do, I guarantee the outrage would be HUGE. As for our expenses, they are fairly modest considering the benefits to everyone.


How are you unaware that the government, which you work for, is funded by tax revenue?
Well, if you're looking at it that way, our expenses are 0.025% of revenue. Cheap at any price.


Your employer has a vast amount of expenses, and they all add up. Your employer's revenue is much less than its expenses. Your employer is so much in debt that they paid $1.13 trillion in interest on their debt just in 2024.
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DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:


Make up 5 things I accomplished at work this week that they can't really verify...


Do you get any credit for posting 40x a day here?
Is Elon cool with that?



I looked at my profile, yours, and bear2024. You are the only one who averages more than 5 posts per day. We are both in the 2's, yet you accuse us of having no or remedial jobs and having too much time on our hands. Have a nice night.
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:


Make up 5 things I accomplished at work this week that they can't really verify...


Do you get any credit for posting 40x a day here?
Is Elon cool with that?



I looked at my profile, yours, and bear2024. You are the only one who averages more than 5 posts per day. We are both in the 2's, yet you accuse us of having no or remedial jobs and having too much time on our hands. Have a nice night.
Today's post tally:

Diablo Wags 1
Oski003 17
Bear2034. 0, but still has 48 in the last 3 days.


Eastern Oregon Bear 16 (didn't think it was that much)
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:


Make up 5 things I accomplished at work this week that they can't really verify...


Do you get any credit for posting 40x a day here?
Is Elon cool with that?



I looked at my profile, yours, and bear2024. You are the only one who averages more than 5 posts per day. We are both in the 2's, yet you accuse us of having no or remedial jobs and having too much time on our hands. Have a nice night.
Today's post tally:

Diablo Wags 1
Oski003 17
Bear2034. 0, but still has 48 in the last 3 days.


Eastern Oregon Bear 16 (didn't think it was that much)


Do you get any credit for posting 16x a day here?
Is Elon cool with that?

Jk. After all, the hypocritical Diablo posted 12 times the day before and 15 times the day before that. He just targets people he doesn't like and calls them losers without jobs who probably live with their parents and attacks how often they post. It is lame.
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.

The same things that made the US the wealthiest country in the world and the preeminent global power?
The government doesn't have anything to do with creating wealth, it only takes wealth and gives it to somebody new.
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.

The same things that made the US the wealthiest country in the world and the preeminent global power?
The government doesn't have anything to do with creating wealth, it only takes wealth and gives it to somebody new.
This is a common conservative opinion that I don't agree with (IMO the post-New Deal public investments did a lot to help generate the wealth we currently enjoy), but thanks for the reply.
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movielover said:




Tulsi and Cash to Trump: "We are not going to have our employees respond to Elon's email. It is ridiculous."

Trump: "Good. Elon is getting a little out of control."

Two days later:

Elon: "Donny, Cash and Tulsi embarrassed me contravening my email edict. I'm very angry and disappointed with you, Donny. I've started to thumb through a couple of dossiers I have as well as the plans for a deeper investigation dive."

Trump: "I apologize, Mr. Musk. I will make a statement to the media doubling down on your email."

Musk: "Good boy. You're dismissed."
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.

The same things that made the US the wealthiest country in the world and the preeminent global power?
I don't think it accurate to say a country that has a $36 trillion dollar debt and operates at a $1.8 trillion + annual deficit is the world's wealthiest country. And even it it is, it is on a path to financial ruin given the debt/deficits.

And this is not just about economics. It is about reshaping government in accordance with Trump's views and preferred policies. He campaigned on that platform and elections have consequences. It is fair to say you think the policies are wrong. However, that doesn't make what Trump is doing illegal or improper. Per the US constitution, it is his right to change/shape the executive branch.

Rather than objecting to the policies, many dems (including in that the press) are waging personal attacks on Trump/Musk.



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BearGoggles said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Elon is doing a lot of new things, some things work, some won't. We'll see over time how effective they are. Doing the same thing as before has proven to be not effective.

The same things that made the US the wealthiest country in the world and the preeminent global power?
I don't think it accurate to say a country that has a $36 trillion dollar debt and operates at a $1.8 trillion + annual deficit is the world's wealthiest country. And even it it is, it is on a path to financial ruin given the debt/deficits.

And this is not just about economics. It is about reshaping government in accordance with Trump's views and preferred policies. He campaigned on that platform and elections have consequences. It is fair to say you think the policies are wrong. However, that doesn't make what Trump is doing illegal or improper. Per the US constitution, it is his right to change/shape the executive branch.

Rather than objecting to the policies, many dems (including in that the press) are waging personal attacks on Trump/Musk.
I am objecting to the policies.
 
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