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dajo9 said:

Donald Trump has suggested a corporate bailout for bankrupt Spirit airlines. Remember, this is the same Donald Trump who withdrew Federal subsidies for the American healthcare in the Affordable Care Act. The same Donald Trump who bailed out Argentina.

Donald Trump doesn't care about average Americans. Never has. Never will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/22/spirit-airlines-rescue-trump-administration.html

Well, JetBlue acquired Spirit in 2022, but Biden's DOJ blocked it. Clearly, that was a poor decision.


Anti-Trust Concerns



Office of Public Affairs | Justice Department Statements on JetBlue Terminating Acquisition of Spirit Airlines | United States Department of Justice



Yeah, it was a poor decision by the Biden administration to do that. Thanks.


Why?
Can you be specific?

Thanks.





Res Ipsa Loquitur

It should be fairly obvious why blocking the merger was a colossal failure. Spirit is now going bankrupt and needs a bailout.

Thanks.


Spirit doesnt need a bailout.
It needs to be allowed to fail.

They havent nade money sonce 2019.

But the Mango Moron wants to bail Spirit out with taxpayer money.

Do you agree with Trump's BAIL OUT?


I don't know enough about the topic to conclude they should be bailed out or not be bailed out. However, it is obvious that the Biden administration failed them by not allowing them to be bought by Jet Blue.


A bail-out of a single airline would be unprecedented.
But Trump wants to throw good money after bad.
Why reward mismanagement?

Thanks for once again for deflecting.



Thanks again for acting too pigheaded to fail to realize how the blocked merger is relevant to the conversation.


Oh, so you dont know enough about Spirits management and balance sheet issues to answer a simple question ... but you're knowledgeable when it comes to anti-trust law?

You're HILARIOUS.
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Donald Trump has suggested a corporate bailout for bankrupt Spirit airlines. Remember, this is the same Donald Trump who withdrew Federal subsidies for the American healthcare in the Affordable Care Act. The same Donald Trump who bailed out Argentina.

Donald Trump doesn't care about average Americans. Never has. Never will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/22/spirit-airlines-rescue-trump-administration.html

Well, JetBlue acquired Spirit in 2022, but Biden's DOJ blocked it. Clearly, that was a poor decision.


Anti-Trust Concerns



Office of Public Affairs | Justice Department Statements on JetBlue Terminating Acquisition of Spirit Airlines | United States Department of Justice



Yeah, it was a poor decision by the Biden administration to do that. Thanks.


Why?
Can you be specific?

Thanks.





Res Ipsa Loquitur

It should be fairly obvious why blocking the merger was a colossal failure. Spirit is now going bankrupt and needs a bailout.

Thanks.


Spirit doesnt need a bailout.
It needs to be allowed to fail.

They havent nade money sonce 2019.

But the Mango Moron wants to bail Spirit out with taxpayer money.

Do you agree with Trump's BAIL OUT?


I don't know enough about the topic to conclude they should be bailed out or not be bailed out. However, it is obvious that the Biden administration failed them by not allowing them to be bought by Jet Blue.


A bail-out of a single airline would be unprecedented.
But Trump wants to throw good money after bad.
Why reward mismanagement?

Thanks for once again for deflecting.



Thanks again for acting too pigheaded to fail to realize how the blocked merger is relevant to the conversation.


Oh, so you dont know enough about Spirits management and balance sheet issues to answer a simple question ... but you're knowledgeable when it comes to anti-trust law?

You're HILARIOUS.



I know LOGIC and COMMON SENSE.

You're HILARIOUS.
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Donald Trump has suggested a corporate bailout for bankrupt Spirit airlines. Remember, this is the same Donald Trump who withdrew Federal subsidies for the American healthcare in the Affordable Care Act. The same Donald Trump who bailed out Argentina.

Donald Trump doesn't care about average Americans. Never has. Never will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/22/spirit-airlines-rescue-trump-administration.html

Well, JetBlue acquired Spirit in 2022, but Biden's DOJ blocked it. Clearly, that was a poor decision.


Anti-Trust Concerns



Office of Public Affairs | Justice Department Statements on JetBlue Terminating Acquisition of Spirit Airlines | United States Department of Justice



Yeah, it was a poor decision by the Biden administration to do that. Thanks.


Why?
Can you be specific?

Thanks.





Res Ipsa Loquitur

It should be fairly obvious why blocking the merger was a colossal failure. Spirit is now going bankrupt and needs a bailout.

Thanks.


Spirit doesnt need a bailout.
It needs to be allowed to fail.

They havent nade money sonce 2019.

But the Mango Moron wants to bail Spirit out with taxpayer money.

Do you agree with Trump's BAIL OUT?


I don't know enough about the topic to conclude they should be bailed out or not be bailed out. However, it is obvious that the Biden administration failed them by not allowing them to be bought by Jet Blue.


A bail-out of a single airline would be unprecedented.
But Trump wants to throw good money after bad.
Why reward mismanagement?

Thanks once again for deflecting.
You're love for Trump reigns supreme.



He didn't deflect, he said he didn't have enough info on it. Did you want him to lie to you? YOUR posts are insufferable
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3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness
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SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol
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Let's check on manufacturing.

DiabloWags
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SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


Bingo.
He always has an excuse.
And it's always Biden's fault.

He sounds like JD Vance.
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The facts always crush the MAGAs, lol
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


Bingo.
He always has an excuse.
And it's always Biden's fault.

He sounds like JD Vance.



No excuse here. Did I make an excuse for something or did you just have another brain fart? It is SAD you can't follow logic and have to further harp on this when you yourself can't figure basic things out.
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Washington DC now has the highest Unemployment Rate in the country at 6.9 Percent.
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BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol

Only 2 stars for this post? Did your burner accounts get deleted? Are you on the outs with the rest of the BI Conservative He-man Women Haters' Club and they aren't upvoting you like before?
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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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LOGIC and COMMON SENSE say they have never seen you before and have no idea who you are or why you think you know them.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
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Muckieeye said:

LOGIC and COMMON SENSE say they have never seen you before and have no idea who you are or why you think you know them.


A for figurative language. Nice job Muckieeye!
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol

Only 2 stars for this post? Did your burner accounts get deleted? Are you on the outs with the rest of the BI Conservative He-man Women Haters' Club and they aren't upvoting you like before?


lol! You're projecting again. The liberals on here are much more misogynistic and woman hating than anything the conservatives have posted. Take a look at all the posts making fun of Tulsi's, Bondi's and Noem's looks. Not to mention the Melania posts
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I am sorry that you are having such a hard time with your buddies in the cult - er - club. I'll star each of your posts so you'll feel better. Stars are very important.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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DiabloWags
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Muckieeye said:

LOGIC and COMMON SENSE say they have never seen you before and have no idea who you are or why you think you know them.


I nominate this for Post of The Year.
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol

Only 2 stars for this post? Did your burner accounts get deleted? Are you on the outs with the rest of the BI Conservative He-man Women Haters' Club and they aren't upvoting you like before?

4 stars as of this post
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Aunburdened said:

Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol

Only 2 stars for this post? Did your burner accounts get deleted? Are you on the outs with the rest of the BI Conservative He-man Women Haters' Club and they aren't upvoting you like before?

4 stars as of this post


Free publicity
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Ford CEO Jim Farley, the leader of the 122-year-old company that democratized the car for everyday Americans, said carmakers are facing three "perfect-storm moments" that could prove existential.

Farley took over as CEO in 2020, but has worked at the automaker since 2007. Before that, he spent nearly 20 years at Toyota.

Now, he thinks the three-fold transformation barreling at carmakers represents a "come to Jesus" moment for the industry, and they will have to either meet each of the challenges or face the consequences, he told Rolling Stone.

China

The first threat is Chinese carmakers. As recently as 2022, Western companies dominated the car market in the world's second largest economy, said Farley. But in 2023, Chinese automakers surpassed Western rivals' China car sales for the first time, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Volkswagen was the market's biggest player for a decade. The German automaker sold a high of 4.23 million units in 2019, but the market's growing preference for EVs and homegrown options led to steady declines that cut VW's sales down about 36% to 2.69 million in 2025.

Ford has also seen its own declines in China, where sales fell to 288,000 in 2022 from a peak of 853,000 in 2016.

Farley knows firsthand the capability of the Chinese car industry. In 2024, he spent six months driving a Xiaomi SU7, the first EV created by the Chinese tech company better known for its smart phones, and didn't want to give it up.

China's carmakers have excelled partly because of controversial state subsidies, he said, but also because of engineering excellence.

"They have the most subsidies from the government, plus their OEMs [original equipment manufacturers] are really good," he told Rolling Stone.

After success domestically, some of China's biggest carmakers are expanding worldwide, with BYD surpassing Ford in global sales last yearwhile selling only EVs and hybrids.

Design

Second, car companies are also facing the challenge of greater complexity thanks in part to the rise of EVs and a shift in engineering toward "software-defined vehicles," according to Farley.

"The systems for safety, driver assistance, and controlling the vehicle, are so sophisticated and there's so much software in the vehicles that are sensing devices," he said.

These vehicles are much more complicated and expensive to build than traditional vehicles, and they require a different set of expertise than that which automakers have traditionally employed to build their vehicles.

An example of this struggle is Ford's F-150 Lightning, an electric pickup truck that Ford discontinued in December after only three years in production. Part of the problem with the vehicle was that the company approached it in a traditional way, instead of resetting their approach adjusted to building an EV.

"It didn't take us long to learn that our internal combustion engine prejudice was so high that we actually hadn't designed the cars right," he told Rolling Stone.

Meanwhile, when comparing the all-electric Mustang Mach E to the Tesla Model Y, the Mustang was 70 pounds heavier because Ford had approached the internal wiring in a more traditional way.

Elon Musk's carmaker thought about designing its vehicle differently, he added.
"They said, 'Let's design the vehicle for the lowest, smallest battery.' Totally different approach," he said.

Regulations

The third and potentially largest storm, Farley said, is the regulatory whiplash that has accompanied the march toward lower carbon emissions.

"Everyone thought the first inning or the second and third inning would be pure electric vehicles," Farley said.

Instead, expensive batteries and the Trump administration's weakening of emissions standards have changed the calculus. In December 2025, Trump reduced the mandatory annual improvement for automakers' emissions from the Biden administration's 2% per year to a rate of 0.5% that steadily drops to 0.25% in 2031.

The National Highway Safety Administration predicted the move will bring down the average miles per gallon for light-duty vehicles to 34.5 miles per gallon by 2031 from the 50.4 miles per gallon average that would've been reached under the Biden-era standards.

"What that really means is, if there are no regulations, then every OEM is going to go back to their cultural norm," Farley said.

Yet, Ford is hedging its bets. If emissions standards can change under Trump, it's likely they will change under the next president.

So Ford moved away from its plug-in EV business and scrapped its F-150 Lightning in December. The company is betting its future on hybrids, extended-range EVs (EREVs), and a smaller, affordable EV platform.

"If we don't put our chips on the right number and the right color, Ford could maybe not exist," he said.

This is a 'come to Jesus moment': Ford CEO says American carmakers are battling a perfect storm

dajo9
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Shorter Ford

"in a changing, more competitive landscape, we keep getting beat but we are going to keep doing things the way we want to do them anyway"

Ford stopped caring about customers like me years ago. They are a disaster.
DiabloWags
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Like GM, Ford, and just about everyone else... got hurt by Trump's stupid tariff strategy that hasn't protected U.S. auto manufacturers one bit.

It's screwed up their supply chains.
Some of the most efficient in the world of any industry.

Funny how the typical MAGA clown cant figure this out. All they do is post tweets about how much TAX revenue is coming into the U.S. Treasury from tariffs.
DiabloWags
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SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.



Thanks.

I wonder what our Aviation Expert would have to say about the United/American Airlines merger proposed by UAL CEO Scott Kirby.

Since he floated the idea to a Trump official earlier this year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/23/american-airlines-ceo-merger-united.html


movielover
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DiabloWags said:

Like GM, Ford, and just about everyone else... got hurt by Trump's stupid tariff strategy that hasn't protected U.S. auto manufacturers one bit.

It's screwed up their supply chains.
Some of the most efficient in the world of any industry.

Funny how the typical MAGA clown cant figure this out. All they do is post tweets about how much TAX revenue is coming into the U.S. Treasury from tariffs.



There you go again.
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Like GM, Ford, and just about everyone else... got hurt by Trump's stupid tariff strategy that hasn't protected U.S. auto manufacturers one bit.

It's screwed up their supply chains.
Some of the most efficient in the world of any industry.

Funny how the typical MAGA clown cant figure this out. All they do is post tweets about how much TAX revenue is coming into the U.S. Treasury from tariffs.



There you go again.


As I recall, you've NEVER admitted that tariffs are a TAX.
And you've NEVER admitted that Trump's tariffs are increasing costs on the average American household.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
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movielover said:



Booth.
SBGold
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A classic all time great answer here on OT
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Lol, you are on a major heater
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Stars are important, that's why we have burner accounts galore
DiabloWags
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

3 clearly doesn't have enough info to opine about the anti-trust decision made under the Biden administration, but he's unwilling to admit it. Must be a male, I bet he doesn't take advice on driving directions either.

Wags doing good work.

Choose Kindness


You're a male lol

Only 2 stars for this post? Did your burner accounts get deleted? Are you on the outs with the rest of the BI Conservative He-man Women Haters' Club and they aren't upvoting you like before?


6 stars for this post.
6 > 2
 
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