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tequila4kapp
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The jobs report came in at 147k, beating the prediction of 110k.

Unemployment down to 4.1%, beating 4.3% prediction.

April and May job reports were adjusted up (this is fairly unusual, most adjustments are down).
tequila4kapp
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Also, per Breitbart:

The number of American-born workers employed rose by 830,000 in June, the Department of Labor said Thursday. The number of American-born workers with jobs is now at the highest level ever, exceeding the prepandemic high hit in October 2019. The labor force participation rate rose from 61.4 to 61.8 percent.

The number of foreign-born workers, on the other hand, fell sharply. The Department of Labor said that the number of foreign-born workers employed in June declined by 348,000. This was the third consecutive month of declining employment of foreign-born workers.

Compared with the start of the year, foreign-born employment is down by over half a million workers and American-born employment is up by over two million.
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

The jobs report came in at 147k, beating the prediction of 110k.

Unemployment down to 4.1%, beating 4.3% prediction.

April and May job reports were adjusted up (this is fairly unusual, most adjustments are down).

You need to look under the "hood".

80,000 of those 147,000 jobs were GOVT jobs.

Private sector job creation was the smallest monthly gain since October of 2024.

And Black Unemployment jumped to 0.8 percentage points 6.8%
The highest rate since January 2022.


Jobs Report: 147K Jobs Added, Wage Growth and Work Hours Fall CEPR
bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:


You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

Also, per Breitbart:

The number of American-born workers employed rose by 830,000 in June, the Department of Labor said Thursday. The number of American-born workers with jobs is now at the highest level ever, exceeding the prepandemic high hit in October 2019. The labor force participation rate rose from 61.4 to 61.8 percent.

The number of foreign-born workers, on the other hand, fell sharply. The Department of Labor said that the number of foreign-born workers employed in June declined by 348,000. This was the third consecutive month of declining employment of foreign-born workers.

Compared with the start of the year, foreign-born employment is down by over half a million workers and American-born employment is up by over two million.
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bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:


You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?


+5000
sycasey
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bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:


You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?

Trump government is likely boosting the numbers even more.

chazzed
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sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:


You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?

Trump government is likely boosting the numbers even more.




We all knew the deception would get this bad. Only question is, if we are right in predicting that a poor businessman and leader will damage the economy, how long will it take to become obvious to the layperson that the administration is lying?
DiabloWags
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bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?

I look under the hood of ALL economic numbers because it is second nature to me.
Been doing it for decades.

You on the other hand aren't able to communicate without posting some sort of a meme or copy of an X post.

Half the time, you can't even comprehend what you just cut and pasted here.

You just "parrot" some right-wing clown on Twitter.
As expected.


bear2034
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You must be fully aware that the Biden administration overpromised and undelivered and had to backtrack some of these job numbers when no one was paying attention.
DiabloWags
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bear2034 said:

You must be fully aware that the Biden administration overpromised and undelivered and had to backtrack some of these job numbers when no one was paying attention.

Since you are such an "expert" when it comes to job numbers . . .

Why is it that the ADP payroll numbers for JUNE showed a 33,000 decline while Trump's Labor Dept. reported an increase of 147,000?
dajo9
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ADP and the government numbers frequently differ. Let's not become nutty conspiracists like the magats. It was a good jobs report and that's good for Americans.

I do wonder how many immigrants these days are picking up the phone and telling a government employee they are a foreign born worker though.
DiabloWags
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It wasnt that great of a number when 73,000 of those 147,000 jobs were GOVT jobs and private sector monthly job gains were the lowest since October 2024.

You should also be cognizant of the fact that given the rate of deportations, it will only take an increase of 70,000 jobs per month to keep the unemployment rate UNCHANGED for 2025. 50,000 a month for 2026.

But you'll never see any of the MAGAts here ever look under the "hood" when they're camped out in their parents basement.


chazzed
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dajo9 said:

ADP and the government numbers frequently differ. Let's not become nutty conspiracists like the magats. It was a good jobs report and that's good for Americans.

I do wonder how many immigrants these days are picking up the phone and telling a government employee they are a foreign born worker though.


I'll accept reality as it comes into focus--this is what separates us from them--but you're posting about the most dishonest, corrupt administration ever. It's not a stretch to suspect them of expanding what they do to new areas.
dajo9
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chazzed said:

dajo9 said:

ADP and the government numbers frequently differ. Let's not become nutty conspiracists like the magats. It was a good jobs report and that's good for Americans.

I do wonder how many immigrants these days are picking up the phone and telling a government employee they are a foreign born worker though.


I'll accept reality as it comes into focus--this is what separates us from them--but you're posting about the most dishonest, corrupt administration ever. It's not a stretch to suspect them of expanding what they do to new areas.


There are trustworthy people who will speak out if there is dishonesty in the bureaucracy. People with experience and connections. Paul Kugman for one.
chazzed
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dajo9 said:

chazzed said:

dajo9 said:

ADP and the government numbers frequently differ. Let's not become nutty conspiracists like the magats. It was a good jobs report and that's good for Americans.

I do wonder how many immigrants these days are picking up the phone and telling a government employee they are a foreign born worker though.


I'll accept reality as it comes into focus--this is what separates us from them--but you're posting about the most dishonest, corrupt administration ever. It's not a stretch to suspect them of expanding what they do to new areas.


There are trustworthy people who will speak out if there is dishonesty in the bureaucracy. People with experience and connections. Paul Kugman for one.


You make a good point: It's tough to keep a conspiracy under wraps.
HearstMining
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chazzed said:

sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

You need to look under the "hood".

Did you look under the hood when Biden's job numbers were boosted with government jobs and part-time jobs?

Trump government is likely boosting the numbers even more.




We all knew the deception would get this bad. Only question is, if we are right in predicting that a poor businessman and leader will damage the economy, how long will it take to become obvious to the layperson that the administration is lying?
Easy answer. It will take until that layperson is personally affected for them to see the damage. I have an account on ssa.gov and yesterday received an email bragging about the BBB signing including a quote from Social Security Commissioner Frank Bisignano:

"By significantly reducing the tax burden on benefits, this legislation reaffirms President Trump's promise to protect Social Security and helps ensure that seniors can better enjoy the retirement they've earned."

In fact, this change does absolutely nothing to protect Social Security benefits as retirees will find out in 2035, if not sooner when their benefits are projected to dip to only 80% of what's promised.
tequila4kapp
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The BBB reportedly had provisions making SS not taxable for something like 90% of retirees.
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

The BBB reportedly had provisions making SS not taxable for something like 90% of retirees.

You're wrong again.
The BBB did not eliminate taxes that beneficiaries pay on their SS checks.

Instead, it gave a temporary tax break to those 65 and older (up to $6,000) with a modified AGI of up to $75,000.

The tax cut applies to the overall income tax rate for those 65 and older and not specifically to the taxes on SS benefits.

The exemption for those who qualify is only temporary.
it would be effective for tax years 2025 thru 2028.


tequila4kapp
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-security-retirees-just-got-083000223.html

  • Single seniors (aged 65 and older) can deduct $6,000 from taxable income, and married seniors filing jointly can deduct $12,000 as a couple.
  • The full $6,000 per-person deduction is available to single filers with income up to $75,000 and joint filers with income up to $150,000. Beyond those levels, deductions are phased out.
Importantly, the new senior deductions would be additive with other tax breaks, including the standard deduction and existing senior deductions, as detailed below:
  • Under current law, the standard deduction is $15,000 for single filers and $30,000 for joint filers. The Senate bill raises the standard deduction to $15,750 for single filers and $31,500 for joint filers.
  • Under current law, seniors get an additional standard deduction of $2,000 for single filers and $3,200 for joint filers. The Senate bill leaves those existing deductions in place.

The White House says 88% of seniors on Social Security would pay no taxes on benefits under the Senate bill, an increase from 64% under current law.
HearstMining
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tequila4kapp said:

The BBB reportedly had provisions making SS not taxable for something like 90% of retirees.
Tequila - I'm an infrequent reader of this forum, but I had the impression that you were one of the less dogmatic Trumpists. Your response doesn't address my statement, so I'll write it again:

In fact, this change does absolutely nothing to protect Social Security benefits as retirees will find out in 2035, if not sooner when their benefits are projected to dip to only 80% of what's promised.

Your response doesn't refute my claim at all. You might as well have said, "Hey, look! Is that Halley's comet?" or "What about Hunter Biden's laptop?" Maybe you are unaware of the trust fund issue but Google "Social Security trust fund 2035" and it will hit you like a crowbar.

Actually, I'll save you the time. Your response will doubtless be, "Oh yeah, well Joe Biden had four years to deal with Social Security and he didn't do it".

Don't thank me - I'm happy to help out!
tequila4kapp
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I thought it obvious that your core statement was correct. There's nothing to say.

No, I won't say "Biden didn't save it either." I would say nobody has saved it. Ever. It's classic American politics…why worry about it now when it only becomes insolvent 10 years from now? Not too different from raising the debt ceiling…why worry about that now? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I posted the one thing I'm aware of that the bill does do with social security.
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Do I believe that Trump would directly attempt to get in there and fudge data so as to report better stats or influence decision makers?
ABSOFLOCKINGLUTELY !!!!

Do I believe that Trump would foolishly unawares allow a system of data collection and reporting that has served us well to break down and lose the confidence of investors ?
ABSOFLOCKINGLUTELY !!!!

If there's one thing we've learned from Trump is that he is not to be trusted. He presents false information sure as he breathes, and he wants to be the arbiter on EVERYTHING. It's a dangerous situation.
Once confidence is lost it can take a hell of a long time to regain it.

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Why some fear government data on the U.S. economy is losing integrity

Andrew Ackerman, (c) 2025 , The Washington Post
Thu, July 3, 2025 at 5:59 AM


The Labor Department announced on Monday that consumer prices rose 8.6% last month from a year earlier. Inflation has risen to its highest level in four decades, raising the cost of airfare, hotels, vehicles, gas, and food.

U.S. policymakers are increasingly anxious about the integrity of certain government benchmarks, the crucial data points that help the Federal Reserve assess the economy's health and guide interest rate decisions.

The problems have led staff at certain agencies to rely more on statistical estimates rather than hard data, potentially fueling volatility in benchmarks, particularly for inflation readings from the Labor Department. Falling response rates to government surveys, coupled with pandemic-driven seasonal quirks and long-standing budget strains, have made it harder to collect and analyze reliable data - including for an employment report due Thursday. Agencies have also shed staff through early retirements, deferred resignations, and normal attrition.

Any erosion in the integrity of government data could complicate policymakers' view of the economy, which is undergoing major policy changes from across-the-board tariff hikes to strains in the labor market with a loss of immigrants. Last week, Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. Powell warned lawmakers he didn't want to see a decline in the U.S.'s gold-standard statistics.

"I would not want anyone to think the data have deteriorated to a point where it's difficult for us to understand the economy," Powell said during congressional testimony. "But the direction of travel is concerning."

The Trump administration is also pushing to overhaul major benchmarks it calls flawed. In March, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick called for a change in the way economic growth is measured, though that idea has yet to move forward. At the same time, the president's budget for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 proposes slashing the Bureau of Labor Statistics' roughly $700 million budget by about 8 percent, a cut economists warn could further hobble the agency.

These challenges could have real-world consequences beyond Washington. From Wall Street trading floors to Main Street boardrooms, businesses, investors and consumers rely on government benchmarks to make decisions about hiring, spending and borrowing.


"The statistical system is under acute stress at the moment," said David Wilcox, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics and the director of U.S. economic research at Bloomberg Economics. "These data are a critical piece of the social infrastructure, and they guide decision-making by Washington policymakers, businesses and households across the country. Without reliable data, decision-making becomes less well founded."

The White House defended the integrity of federal jobs data and credited Trump's policies for strong job growth.

"Baseless attempts to undermine confidence in BLS data does not change the fact President Trump's pro-growth economic agenda has created more than half a million jobs since he took office - job growth that will accelerate once Congress passes historic tax relief in the One Big Beautiful Bill," said Taylor Rogers, a spokeswoman.

An administration official noted that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has long acknowledged its challenges, which predate the pandemic. Over the past decade, budget constraints have forced the agency to scale back key activities like in-person visits, follow-ups, field training and travel - steps that are essential for data quality. The official also pointed out that the Labor Department protected BLS field staff from an offer for deferred resignation to safeguard its core mission, and that the current BLS commissioner was appointed by former president Biden.


Economists say recent developments have only deepened their concerns. Last month, the BLS said it is surveying fewer outlets for the consumer price index - the most widely used benchmark for inflation - due to a staffing shortage in certain cities. While officials said that shouldn't affect the overall CPI, they acknowledged it could increase volatility in some of its components.

Separately, the BLS had previously said it would reduce the number of households sampled for a survey that underpins the official unemployment rate and other labor-market indicators, before walking back the plan.

Still, other little-noticed changes are proceeding, such as the bureau discontinuing the calculation and publishing of wholesale pricing data on hundreds of products in the producer price index. And the Trump administration earlier this year disbanded a pair of technical advisory committees that helped the government develop its data.

Collectively, the moves have alarmed Democrats on Capitol Hill. A group of nine Senate Democrats, led by Arizona Sen. Ruben Gallego, warned of significant consequences if inflation data is inaccurate or incomplete - data that influences everything from cost-of-living adjustments for tens of millions of Social Security recipients to wage increases in collective bargaining agreements.


"This is not a minor administrative adjustment," the lawmakers wrote in a letter to the heads of the Labor Department and BLS. "Any erosion in its accuracy could reverberate across the entire U.S. economy."

A spokeswoman for Gallego said the group has not yet received a response.

Federal Reserve officials, for their part, say they have the tools they need to understand the economy.

San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly said that while the integrity of economic data has faced challenges over the years - from budget cuts to falling survey response rates, including during the pandemic - those limitations have not prevented the central bank from accurately tracking the economy's underlying trends. "We have so many sources of information that we have ways of checking, so I feel comfortable with the data so far," she said in an interview, noting that data collectors have been "extraordinarily innovative."


"If we went down a path that we discounted the value of having publicly collected data that we've long relied on, then I would be worried," she added. "But I have no information that that's the path we're actually on."

Polls suggest the public has more trust in the accuracy of federal statistics, such as the unemployment rate, than in the federal government overall. A national poll of about 1,000 adults conducted by survey research firm SSRS found that roughly 70 percent had at least some confidence in federal statistics, compared with 51 percent who said the same about the federal government overall.

Some economists are less sanguine.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, said that the quality of U.S. economic data is becoming increasingly shaky just as the country faces major shifts from trade, immigration and other policy changes - a time when better investment in data is needed.


Among multiple worrying trends, he pointed to the combined 95,000 in downward revisions, announced last month, to job gains in April and March, the type of outsize revisions that could be at least partly driven by ongoing strains at the Labor Department.

"There's no smoking gun, yet, but there is smoke," he said.

Keith Hall, who served as commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics during the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, said the agency had been chronically underfunded for years even though its budget is tiny by government standards.

"If you're worried about the quality of the data and issues with data accuracy, a place like BLS needs to spend a little more money, not less money," he said. "Cutting their budget is the wrong way to go."


Click here if you want to see it for yourself:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-fear-government-data-u-125933904.html

movielover
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DW is a prolific thread creator.
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

DW is a prolific thread creator.
Truer words have never been spoken.
DiabloWags
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CPI at 2.7% for last 12 months as of June.

+0.3%

Price increases were broad.

Especially in imported goods like toys, paper products, and appliances. The latter saw the biggest jump since August 2020.

Biggest increase in fresh fruit and vegetables in more than a year. About 60% of fresh fruit and 35% of fresh vegetables are imported.

Trump also has a 50% tariff imposed on Brazilian coffee starting Aug. 1st.

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You can't hit everyone at the same time, he has to have some carrots along with the sticks and build coalitions. Hitting countries like Brazil, Canada, Japan, S. Korea etc is only going to reinforce China's standing among these nations.

50% tariff on Brazilian coffee means that China, Russia, Canada, Japan etc are going to buy up all their coffee previously exported to the US. China is a relatively small market for coffee but demand is exploding.


Japan breaking ranks with its new oil purchase from Russia:
bear2034
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movielover said:

DW is a prolific thread creator.


DW stands for DupedWags. He's a prolific fake news consumer.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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bear2034 said:

movielover said:

DW is a prolific thread creator.


DW stands for DupedWags. He's a prolific fake news consumer.

I see you didn't learn much from your time out.
DiabloWags
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

movielover said:

DW is a prolific thread creator.


DW stands for DupedWags. He's a prolific fake news consumer.

I see you didn't learn much from your time out.


Lasted a whole 10 days.
He must have posted something "prolific".
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movielover
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POO has done itself no favors, the city previously allegedly brought in a Port leader to shepard the As ballpark... not to run a port. Not helpful to ship captains before and after Covid. Container space way more valuable Asia --> USA, versus the opposite direction. After visiting POLA / LB, they often skip Oakland, just go home.
DiabloWags
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You cant compare The Port of Oakland to Long Beach or Port of LA. Thats a real dumb comparison, for a variety of reasons.

Oakland is still the 9th busiest Port in the U.S.

And it handles 99% of the goods that come into NorCal.

You should refrain from posting about anything having to do with the U.S. economy. Your knowledge base is terribly poor.

movielover
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I note three salient facts, you go into personal attack mode. Typical.
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movielover said:

POO has done itself no favors, the city previously allegedly brought in a Port leader to shepard the As ballpark... not to run a port. Not helpful to ship captains before and after Covid. Container space way more valuable Asia --> USA, versus the opposite direction. After visiting POLA / LB, they often skip Oakland, just go home.


Thank you for the knowledgeable, thoughtful post.
 
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