Some musings about the Democratic Party's deep challenge

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hanky1
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SBGold said:

https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-data-centers-elon-musk-democrats

Another issue Dems are going to win on and we can pin this to DJT like a dart on a dart board

VOTE BLUE and FREE WAGS

Russia, Iran, and China are funding the lobbies to oppose datacenters.

This is even reported by the very liberal NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/business/china-russia-ai-data-centers.html
bearister
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hanky1 said:

SBGold said:

https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-data-centers-elon-musk-democrats

Another issue Dems are going to win on and we can pin this to DJT like a dart on a dart board

VOTE BLUE and FREE WAGS

Russia, Iran, and China are funding the lobbies to oppose datacenters.

This is even reported by the very liberal NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/business/china-russia-ai-data-centers.html

In the end it won't matter. AI will acquire a taste for Chinese, Persian, Russian and American.
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MinotStateBeav
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hanky1 said:

SBGold said:

https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-data-centers-elon-musk-democrats

Another issue Dems are going to win on and we can pin this to DJT like a dart on a dart board

VOTE BLUE and FREE WAGS

Russia, Iran, and China are funding the lobbies to oppose datacenters.

This is even reported by the very liberal NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/business/china-russia-ai-data-centers.html

Makes sense, trying to use the american people against themselves so they can't compete in the AI race.
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…..but the piece de resistance was our enemies getting the American people to install Trump and his court jesters in the control booth.
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~ ok, choose one, for the subsequent two terms - Kamala, AOC, Ro, the Gabby Nuisance ( my phrase - tm ), Bern', Butt' - that's it


hanky1
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bearister said:

…..but the piece de resistance was our enemies getting the American people to install Trump and his court jesters in the control booth.

Only democrats oppose AI datacenters (a position being funded by Russia, Iran, and China).

Cope harder.
bearister
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Republicans are fine with them, as long as they not in their neighborhoods. Build as many as you want in wealthy areas. It's only right, the rich get all the benefits.
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bearister said:

…..but the piece de resistance was our enemies getting the American people to install Trump and his court jesters in the control booth.


Leftists/Dems accuse Russia to be behind every nefarious conspiracy, while rightists/GOPers accuse China.

In terms of data centers, quick results:
Current Capacity and Counts
  • U.S. Capacity: Estimated at roughly 53.7 gigawatts (GW) of IT power capacity, representing about 44% of the global total. [1]
  • China Capacity: Estimated at roughly 19.6 to 31.9 gigawatts (GW) depending on tracking metrics, making up about 16% to 26% of global capacity. [1, 2]
  • Facility Totals: The U.S. operates over 5,300 to 5,400 data centers, compared to roughly 450 tracked in China, reflecting a heavier concentration of commercial hyperscale infrastructure in America. [1, 2]
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I'll put this here instead of starting at new thread. A little info for our friends who say the DSA are not real socialists or communists and just want to continue the Demo traditions of FDR (ie, they are just progressive Ds)…

A partial transcript of Democratic Socialists of America co-chair Megan Romer's interview with Shannon Bream on Fox (emphasis added):
Quote:

SHANNON BREAM: We're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate?

ROMER: True.
BREAM: OK, replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them?
ROMER: Yep
BREAM: Abolish ICE?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the US illegally?
ROMER: As a long-term plan, yep.
BREAM: Defund the Pentagon?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish prisons, at least in large part?
ROMER: Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah?
BREAM: OK, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations?
ROMER: Yeah, absolutely.


Ds need to distance themselves from this crazy sh*t.
MinotStateBeav
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tequila4kapp said:

I'll put this here instead of starting at new thread. A little info for our friends who say the DSA are not real socialists or communists and just want to continue the Demo traditions of FDR (ie, they are just progressive Ds)…

A partial transcript of Democratic Socialists of America co-chair Megan Romer's interview with Shannon Bream on Fox (emphasis added):
Quote:

SHANNON BREAM: We're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate?

ROMER: True.
BREAM: OK, replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them?
ROMER: Yep
BREAM: Abolish ICE?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the US illegally?
ROMER: As a long-term plan, yep.
BREAM: Defund the Pentagon?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish prisons, at least in large part?
ROMER: Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah?
BREAM: OK, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations?
ROMER: Yeah, absolutely.


Ds need to distance themselves from this crazy sh*t.

Doesn't sound Democratic Socialist to me...sounds pretty much Stalin Socialist to me.
Big C
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tequila4kapp said:

I'll put this here instead of starting at new thread. A little info for our friends who say the DSA are not real socialists or communists and just want to continue the Demo traditions of FDR (ie, they are just progressive Ds)…

A partial transcript of Democratic Socialists of America co-chair Megan Romer's interview with Shannon Bream on Fox (emphasis added):
Quote:

SHANNON BREAM: We're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate?

ROMER: True.
BREAM: OK, replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them?
ROMER: Yep
BREAM: Abolish ICE?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the US illegally?
ROMER: As a long-term plan, yep.
BREAM: Defund the Pentagon?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish prisons, at least in large part?
ROMER: Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah?
BREAM: OK, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations?
ROMER: Yeah, absolutely.


Ds need to distance themselves from this crazy sh*t.

There is a danger that some low-information voters will find appeal in these policies, as some have on the other end of the political spectrum.
MinotStateBeav
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Enforce borders, shrink spending, secure elections and want law and order. Which of these policies do you believe is radical?
Big C
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MinotStateBeav said:

Enforce borders, shrink spending, secure elections and want law and order. Which of these policies do you believe is radical?

None of them, but that's a rather loaded question, isn't it? Not to mention that I didn't use the word "radical".

EDIT: I wrote more about your points below.
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I put MAGA and Left Wing Dems in the same Basket of Deplorables. Both parties need to clean house.
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Big C said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Enforce borders, shrink spending, secure elections and want law and order. Which of these policies do you believe is radical?

None of them, but that's a rather loaded question, isn't it? Not to mention that I didn't use the word "radical".

In order (from above):

I am not well-versed nor super-interested in immigration policy, but I'd like to see limited, legal immigration. I am against rag-tag-looking armed "agents" combing our streets to reach their quota of undocumented people to be rounded up and put in camps.

I would like to see balanced budgets become the norm, not the rare exception (Thanks Bill Clinton!). We can then maybe, gradually, whittle down the national debt. The first place I would cut spending would be the military, starting with our ridiculous war with Iran. I would raise taxes a little bit, starting with those who have plenty.

I feel like our elections are secure. You realize Trump won two of the last three presidential elections, don't you? Were these the ones that lacked security, or only when your guy lost? That said, I am for voters presenting IDs at the polling place, If there is a move to curtail mail-in voting, I'm not really against that, either.

I am for people obeying the law, as are most all of us. I'd like to know more about what the "order" means (in the prhrase "law and order").
cbbass1
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MinotStateBeav said:

tequila4kapp said:

I'll put this here instead of starting at new thread. A little info for our friends who say the DSA are not real socialists or communists and just want to continue the Demo traditions of FDR (ie, they are just progressive Ds)…

A partial transcript of Democratic Socialists of America co-chair Megan Romer's interview with Shannon Bream on Fox (emphasis added):
Quote:

SHANNON BREAM: We're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate?

ROMER: True.
BREAM: OK, replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them?
ROMER: Yep
BREAM: Abolish ICE?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the US illegally?
ROMER: As a long-term plan, yep.
BREAM: Defund the Pentagon?
ROMER: Absolutely.
BREAM: Abolish prisons, at least in large part?
ROMER: Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah?
BREAM: OK, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations?
ROMER: Yeah, absolutely.


Ds need to distance themselves from this crazy sh*t.

Doesn't sound Democratic Socialist to me...sounds pretty much Stalin Socialist to me.

Exactly. What she's talking about isn't "Democratic Socialism" -- it's actual Socialism - the real deal.

This is extreme, even for DSA. I doubt that more than 5% or 10% of DSA members would agree with her.
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cbbass1
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Big C said:

Big C said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Enforce borders, shrink spending, secure elections and want law and order. Which of these policies do you believe is radical?

None of them, but that's a rather loaded question, isn't it? Not to mention that I didn't use the word "radical".

In order (from above):

I am not well-versed nor super-interested in immigration policy, but I'd like to see limited, legal immigration. I am against rag-tag-looking armed "agents" combing our streets to reach their quota of undocumented people to be rounded up and put in camps.

I would like to see balanced budgets become the norm, not the rare exception (Thanks Bill Clinton!). We can then maybe, gradually, whittle down the national debt. The first place I would cut spending would be the military, starting with our ridiculous war with Iran. I would raise taxes a little bit, starting with those who have plenty.

I feel like our elections are secure. You realize Trump won two of the last three presidential elections, don't you? Were these the ones that lacked security, or only when your guy lost? That said, I am for voters presenting IDs at the polling place, If there is a move to curtail mail-in voting, I'm not really against that, either.

I am for people obeying the law, as are most all of us. I'd like to know more about what the "order" means (in the prhrase "law and order").


FDR's New Deal was all about improving the economic health & prosperity of Working Americans. An important component of this was having the Government support Union Membership. The point was to increase wages & salaries for Workers.

Megan Romer's "open borders" policy is the polar opposite of FDR's New Deal. In fact, it's more aligned with Milton Friedman's extreme Capitalist / bordering-on-fascist credo: that there should be no restriction on the movement of either Labor or Capital across national boundaries.

When Reagan took office in 1981, he let his CA supporters (who hired lots of undocumented workers) know that he wouldn't prosecute their illegal HIRING. That sparked a wave of immigration from Mexico & Central America that brought tens of millions of immigrants to the U.S. to work. Reagan's intention was to increase the Supply of Labor in order to bring down the Price of Labor -- and to make it more difficult for unions to overcome language & cultural barriers & organize.

This was just one of the ways in which Reagan, and every President since Reagan, sought to destroy FDR's New Deal.

Although I consider myself a Progressive / Democratic Socialist, I'm 100% against unrestricted immigration. In the U.S., we have a huge surplus of Workers and not enough jobs for the Workers we have. So I strongly disagree with the "Democratic" Party's "the more, the merrier" policy on immigration.

But instead of our barbaric ICE patrols, what we should do is abolish ICE, and offer transportation, lump-sum payments, and guarantees of protection to any undocumented immigrants who choose to take the deal & self-deport. To fund this effort, we also need to go through the payrolls of U.S. employers and fine those who have ILLEGALLY employed undocumented Workers. IF these employers continue to employ the undocumented Workers, they would either continue to pay the fine, or apply for a work visa, and put them on a path to establish legal residency.

On balanced budgets and drastically reduced "defense" spending: with you 100%. America, and the American People, are safest when we aren't exerting our hegemony over every nation & person on the planet. We've spent $Trillions on our military to create enemies throughout the world, and even more $Trillions to keep them from attacking us. Time for that business to end, and "play well with others". Maybe even remind ourselves that when we signed the UN Charter, it became the Law Of The Land, and we're STILL legally bound to follow it.

Our elections are reasonably secure. And on the 2020 Election Trump is an idiot. He lost, and he needs to get over it.

Our voting machines, however, are not verifiable, and should not be used. Vote on paper. Always. Hand-marked paper ballots are the international gold standard for democracies.

Furthermore, ALL of the acts of Voter Fraud and Election Fraud that Trump & the GOP allege are felonies. So it's important to ask Trump & his administration, "How are those investigations & prosecutions going?" Clearly, all the baseless accusations of "illegals" voting were a ruse to create Voter ID laws -- which are clearly a form of vote suppression. Voters have always been required to present photo ID and/or birth certificates when they register to vote -- but NOT when they actually vote. For voting, every polling place has a Poll Book, which every voter must sign -- and the signatures MUST match! This is biometric authentication.

As for Law & Order -- Americans have always been for it, but our oligarchs & the Epstein Class have always considered themselves above the law. Disregard for the Law starts at the top.


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