dimitrig said:
ducky23 said:
dimitrig said:
ducky23 said:
In my mind, the move to the ACC is always going to be a temp thing (until the ACC implodes or whatever other realignment thing happens).
But I assume the plan is that the ACC at least gives us a P4 home for the time being. And in the short term, we all need to up our game (we can't just rely on sebastabear and a few others to carry the load) and Cal needs to start winning. To the point where when the next realignment comes up, we have a little more leverage
Until then, the ACC is a fine home. It's a better academic conference than the BIG, it gives us a better chance to succeed and the road trips are way better.
Sure but out of the frying pan and into the fire? We need to lean on getting into the B1G and use the ACC as leverage.
This is a tangent but why do you think the ACC is a better academic conference? I have not given it much thought but they seem the same if not the B1G slightly better - and that was before adding UCLA, Washington, and USC.
I'm not including ucla et al cause if you do that, then you can presumably add furd/cal to the ACC and it would cancel them out.
But let's just compare the top half
Duke
Notre Dame (If they get to vote, they count)
Virginia
UNC
GT
BC
Northwestern
Michigan
Wisconsin
Rutgers
Illinois
Um Maryland I guess?
Not even close
Well you do have to count UCLA, USC, and Washington because they are part of the conference.
You can't count Cal and Stanford as part of what makes the ACC attractive academically because if we went to the B1G we would be added to their tally. You have to look exclusive of Cal and Stanford.
That said, both conferences are actually academically superior to the former Pac-12.
Although the ACC does have major top 20 research universities: Duke, Pitt, UNC, & Georgia Tech; several ACC schools are focused primarily on undergrad education. Schools like BC, Clemson, and Syracuse do only a modicum of research. And the ACC's institutions have a very different institutional profile than the average Big Ten giant, flagship, land grant school. The ACC is filled with smaller, private universities like Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Miami, etc. So the Big Ten clearly has more of major research universities when you focus just on research metrics like R&D expenditures or citation impact factors.
These characteristics of the ACC's membership is reflected in the
ACC Academic Consortium which primarily emphasizes undergraduate programing and support (90% of its funds, which come from the ACC Championship game, go to undergrad initiatives). In fact, it is the only athletic conference consortium that awards fellowships to students; up to $5K is awarded to at least one undergrad student at each campus to support their research or creativity project.
And when looking at the undergrad metrics, the ACC consistently comes out ahead any other FBS conference. Obviously, the most popular and pervasive ranking in the United States, for all of its flaws, is the undergrad ranking from
US News & World Report.Using
US News, the mean rank for the current ACC membership is 54.5.
The mean
US News ranking for current Big Ten members is 60.4.
If you include UCLA and USC, the Big Ten's mean ranking would drop to 55.0, still behind the current ACC's mean.
if you add Stanford, Cal, and SMU to the ACC, the ACC's average would improve to 50.7.