nikeykid said:Despite various reports to the contrary, Big 12 has not had conversations w/any of the Pac-4 schools & has no intention in engaging w/those schools, multiple Big 12 sources told @ActionNetworkHQ
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 27, 2023
Pendulum swings again
And Daddy Luck used to be in the B12, so he has plenty of contacts who will at least take his call to say hello.CALiforniALUM said:That is because ESPN is doing the talking.nikeykid said:Despite various reports to the contrary, Big 12 has not had conversations w/any of the Pac-4 schools & has no intention in engaging w/those schools, multiple Big 12 sources told @ActionNetworkHQ
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 27, 2023
Pendulum swings again
CALiforniALUM said:That is because ESPN is doing the talking.nikeykid said:Despite various reports to the contrary, Big 12 has not had conversations w/any of the Pac-4 schools & has no intention in engaging w/those schools, multiple Big 12 sources told @ActionNetworkHQ
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 27, 2023
Pendulum swings again
Sources: Resolution on ACC expansion expected in the next few days. Room is warming to adding Cal, SMU and Stanford. Current members working together but still much to discuss and financial details to hammer out.
— Brandon Marcello (@bmarcello) August 27, 2023
Votes are “really close,” one source told @247Sports. pic.twitter.com/KGnUBzx9Bw
Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
By rival, they mean closest travel partner.dimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
After meetings Thursday, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips has now presented a financial model to all presidents & ADs.
— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 27, 2023
If ESPN meets obligations, additions of Stanford/Cal/SMU would add $70M+ in annual revenue. Talks are on-going.
Details on the model - https://t.co/JBSAB4DG8g
Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
dimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
berserkeley said:dimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
Cal, Stanford, and SMU will almost certainly be protected games because the three of us have no history with any ACC teams. I would actually be surprised if any of us get a third protected game because none of the ACC teams would want a permanent game against a far flung opponent.
But we should consider ourselves lucky to get a protected game in one of the best recruiting territories in the country. Especially after losing our annual LA game. Plus it's the shortest travel distance for us.
UNC>Virginiadimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
Not sure how I feel about L.A., despite the recruiting opportunities; Furd- forever; SMU sure- maybe.golden sloth said:berserkeley said:dimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
Cal, Stanford, and SMU will almost certainly be protected games because the three of us have no history with any ACC teams. I would actually be surprised if any of us get a third protected game because none of the ACC teams would want a permanent game against a far flung opponent.
But we should consider ourselves lucky to get a protected game in one of the best recruiting territories in the country. Especially after losing our annual LA game. Plus it's the shortest travel distance for us.
I know this is a controversial idea, but I still say we try to schedule an annual game with ucla. Stanford, SMU, ucla as consistent foes makes sense. Two traditional rivals, two great recruiting territories.
I remember Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech being in our Cal songbook circa 1976. Still there?91Cal said:
For a combination of likely wins, cultural fit (as a rival), great place to travel to and wins (again) as the two other than Stanford are essentially replacing fUCLA & U$C:
1. UNC (great academics, great town, great area, plenty of direct flights, strong football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
2. Georgia Tech (great academics, great city, lots of direct flights, weaker football heritage and solidly weaker than Cal)
3. BC (great city, plenty of direct flights, decent football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
4. UVA (great town, but harder to get to from the west coast, decent football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
5. Duke (v. similar to Stanford, great area, plenty of direct flights, weaker football heritage and solidly weaker than Cal)
6. SMU (good city, lots of direct flights, weaker academics, decent football heritage (since their death penalty, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
Bowlesman80 said:I remember Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech being in our Cal songbook circa 1976. Still there?91Cal said:
For a combination of likely wins, cultural fit (as a rival), great place to travel to and wins (again) as the two other than Stanford are essentially replacing fUCLA & U$C:
1. UNC (great academics, great town, great area, plenty of direct flights, strong football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
2. Georgia Tech (great academics, great city, lots of direct flights, weaker football heritage and solidly weaker than Cal)
3. BC (great city, plenty of direct flights, decent football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
4. UVA (great town, but harder to get to from the west coast, decent football heritage, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
5. Duke (v. similar to Stanford, great area, plenty of direct flights, weaker football heritage and solidly weaker than Cal)
6. SMU (good city, lots of direct flights, weaker academics, decent football heritage (since their death penalty, but definitely weighted toward Cal winning more than half)
golden sloth said:berserkeley said:dimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
Cal, Stanford, and SMU will almost certainly be protected games because the three of us have no history with any ACC teams. I would actually be surprised if any of us get a third protected game because none of the ACC teams would want a permanent game against a far flung opponent.
But we should consider ourselves lucky to get a protected game in one of the best recruiting territories in the country. Especially after losing our annual LA game. Plus it's the shortest travel distance for us.
I know this is a controversial idea, but I still say we try to schedule an annual game with ucla. Stanford, SMU, ucla as consistent foes makes sense. Two traditional rivals, two great recruiting territories.
Bowlesman80 said:UNC>Virginiadimitrig said:Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?
Why would SMU be a rival to Cal in any way?
The most natural rivals are Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Duke.
It looks increasingly likely that Cal, Stanford and SMU and the ACC will close a deal to bring those three schools to the conference, in all sports in which the ACC competes https://t.co/GaWeVD2umU
— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) August 27, 2023
Dothechop2 said:It looks increasingly likely that Cal, Stanford and SMU and the ACC will close a deal to bring those three schools to the conference, in all sports in which the ACC competes https://t.co/GaWeVD2umU
— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) August 27, 2023
I get the emotion, but Cal shouldn't make decisions based on anger and spite. The long term health of the program requires good players from LA. Good players from LA are easier to get with consistent games there.LodeBear said:
hell no to UCLA or USC for that matter. let them make their trips to the B10.
I agree on 'Wow', but I would also be surprised if at the end of this decade we don't see conference affiliations for non-revenue sports break off from the revenue sports (or just football).calumnus said:Dothechop2 said:It looks increasingly likely that Cal, Stanford and SMU and the ACC will close a deal to bring those three schools to the conference, in all sports in which the ACC competes https://t.co/GaWeVD2umU
— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) August 27, 2023
"In all sports in which the ACC competes."
Wow.
golden sloth said:I get the emotion, but Cal shouldn't make decisions based on anger and spite. The long term health of the program requires good players from LA. Good players from LA are easier to get with consistent games there.LodeBear said:
hell no to UCLA or USC for that matter. let them make their trips to the B10.
golden sloth said:I get the emotion, but Cal shouldn't make decisions based on anger and spite. The long term health of the program requires good players from LA. Good players from LA are easier to get with consistent games there.LodeBear said:
hell no to UCLA or USC for that matter. let them make their trips to the B10.
The only instance of not having ucla on the schedule long-term is if Cal and SDSU agree to play a game at SOFI (or another LA based stadium) every year for a decade).
Also, its good to maintain a presence with alumni down there.
Apparently Brett not talking to same #Big12 and #Stanford sources that we are. As always, it may or may not happen, but there are definitely talks going on with Stanford and the Big 12. #StayTuned https://t.co/yzwoHerEHq
— THE SWAIM SHOW (@GSwaim) August 27, 2023
agree. And for those pro on playing the former schools that can no longer be named in decent company, don't forget that either woudl be our A game in an OOC schedule. And that means no Auburn, no Tennessee, no Northwestern or tOSU. If we want to raise the national profile we need to go beat some of these other teams.ferCALgm2 said:golden sloth said:I get the emotion, but Cal shouldn't make decisions based on anger and spite. The long term health of the program requires good players from LA. Good players from LA are easier to get with consistent games there.LodeBear said:
hell no to UCLA or USC for that matter. let them make their trips to the B10.
The only instance of not having ucla on the schedule long-term is if Cal and SDSU agree to play a game at SOFI (or another LA based stadium) every year for a decade).
Also, its good to maintain a presence with alumni down there.
It's not mostly anger and spite. What do we have to gain? For the next few years we'll likely be a $20-30 million program vs a $75 million program. Screw them. Maybe in 5-10 years if/when we're in the same conference.
I would just as soon sever all ties with $C; UCLA is doable, once we find a landing spot and calm down.sycasey said:golden sloth said:I get the emotion, but Cal shouldn't make decisions based on anger and spite. The long term health of the program requires good players from LA. Good players from LA are easier to get with consistent games there.LodeBear said:
hell no to UCLA or USC for that matter. let them make their trips to the B10.
Yes, very much this. If we can, need to get UCLA and/or USC as regular non-conference foes.
I know we're mad they blew up the conference. It's still good for the program to play them.
Piratefan2102 said:
How would y'all feel about Cal's three permanent "rivals"… Stanford SMU Wake Forest?