oski003 said:
movielover said:
concordtom said:
Reading through the anti-immigrant stances on these pages, it's amazing America was able to rise up and become the economic engine it did in the 1900's, what with all the non-English speaking, uneducated poor masses who flowed through Ellis Island at the turn of the century.
Of course, there were phobic sentiments back then, too.
You omit that we didn't have a gargantuan unfunded welfare state back then, and didn't have 220 (?) Military bases spread over the globe. And AI and automation weren't jolting in, replacing low-skilled jobs. We also didn't have terror cells, and Drug cartels.
The women in the white hoods are smuggling fentanyl in. A white hood was the signal back then.
I know you were making a joke, a racist one at that. But one of those white hooded women was my (step) great grandmother from Galicia, what is now Ukraine.
She arrived Ellis in 1907 with two boys after her husband had already scouted and sent for her to meet in Youngstown. She was illiterate.
The eldest would lose a hand in a steel plant. She stressed education, and her younger kids excelled in high school and at Ohio State where they achieved some prominence I won't mention lest I identify myself to you.
Immigrant success story.
As for the prior "unfounded welfare state". Wow. Do we need to go back to 1930 and debate WHY social security was created OR just the levels at which you want to fund it?? Because that's a separate topic, not pertinent to being racially biased against immigration, which, yes, I have accused is at the root.
As for the military industrial complex, again, it's its own topic. Why are you tying being decent to immigrants such as DREAMERS to that?
… I think we've collectively actually made some headway here.
One side, which includes me (and the Democrat leadership on the hill) claims we do not want Open Borders. Can YOU accept that? Can we stop making the untrue claim
this side wants open borders? If so, great, we can cross that point of contention off the list and move on?
Next up, I've heard Oski say that he would offer citizenship to those who learn English. Great! Dreamers speak perfect English, because they've graduated from our high schools.
Can you therefore now grant them citizenship? Like, just do it already, yes?
Now then, I'll give you the next ask. What do you want out of this negotiation?