Illegal Immigration

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udaman1
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After perusing this thread, without being rhetorical, I'd just like to know who would take over the the hundreds of thousands of jobs currently occupied by undocumented workers in this country that facilitate our food supply. Again, I'm not being rhetorical. This has been asked on this thread, and not answered. This isn't really a us vs them problem either. There are massive problems with minimum wage and workplace requirements that demand that under-the-table jobs are a huge part of the undocumented workforce. So despite all of that, who will work those jobs?
oski003
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udaman1 said:

After perusing this thread, without being rhetorical, I'd just like to know who would take over the the hundreds of thousands of jobs currently occupied by undocumented workers in this country that facilitate our food supply. Again, I'm not being rhetorical. This has been asked on this thread, and not answered. This isn't really a us vs them problem either. There are massive problems with minimum wage and workplace requirements that demand that under-the-table jobs are a huge part of the undocumented workforce. So despite all of that, who will work those jobs?
Can't we just grant citizenship to those undocumented workers who want to be citizens and are willing to take an easy citizenship test? Those who don't want to be citizens can be deported. We then enact laws that actually allow us to secure the border and remove laws that make it difficult to do so.
udaman1
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oski003 said:

udaman1 said:

After perusing this thread, without being rhetorical, I'd just like to know who would take over the the hundreds of thousands of jobs currently occupied by undocumented workers in this country that facilitate our food supply. Again, I'm not being rhetorical. This has been asked on this thread, and not answered. This isn't really a us vs them problem either. There are massive problems with minimum wage and workplace requirements that demand that under-the-table jobs are a huge part of the undocumented workforce. So despite all of that, who will work those jobs?
Can't we just grant citizenship to those undocumented workers who want to be citizens and are willing to take an easy citizenship test? Those who don't want to be citizens can be deported. We then enact laws that actually allow us to secure the border and remove laws that make it difficult to do so.


This would require a massive overhaul to the citizenship path in this country.
Plus, I don't know that everyone who is working here, documented or not, wants to be a citizen.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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udaman1 said:

After perusing this thread, without being rhetorical, I'd just like to know who would take over the the hundreds of thousands of jobs currently occupied by undocumented workers in this country that facilitate our food supply. Again, I'm not being rhetorical. This has been asked on this thread, and not answered. This isn't really a us vs them problem either. There are massive problems with minimum wage and workplace requirements that demand that under-the-table jobs are a huge part of the undocumented workforce. So despite all of that, who will work those jobs?
That's the problem that the right is overlooking. We don't have Americans willing to do the hard grunt work on farms and in orchards. Deport the illegal aliens and we'll have food rotting in the fields unharvested.

Also, who's going to change the sheets in Trump's hotels or manicure his golf courses?
movielover
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We don't have 40-50 Million people working in agriculture or ag / food.

African American women were a large employment base for hotels / motels, making $20 - $25 per hour, plus tips, benefits and job security. Now those jobs pay minimum wage.
SBGold
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This is MAGAT's favorite desire, push out immigrants and let blacks do those low paying jobs

VOTE BLUE

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movielover
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You asked a question, I answered it.

Your solution was to cut the wages of hotel workers 30 - 40%; remove their benefits and stable employment; often push Black women into lower paying jobs (or unemployment); in many cases forcing them to move to lower-cost areas and impact families and children; both groups likely having to rely upon government programs, including health care; all while the hotel and motel owners reap larger profits.

My empathy is for American workers, and in the case you identified, it happens to be Black women. In 1990 or 1995, that wasn't a bad job, though some had back problems from lifting mattresses.
going4roses
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Lol y'all haven't a clue huh even though the truth is right in front of y'all faces
"Tedious Repetition of routine actions are what make us great"
SBGold
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OMG, the racism

VOTE BLUE

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movielover
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Agreed, Liberal men disrespecting Black women.
udaman1
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movielover said:

We don't have 40-50 Million people working in agriculture or ag / food.

African American women were a large employment base for hotels / motels, making $20 - $25 per hour, plus tips, benefits and job security. Now those jobs pay minimum wage.


Who said anything about 40 to 50 million people? But to your point, even employing, somebody at minimum wage is very expensive when you consider all the Workers Compensation, payroll tax, and required benefits, especially here in California.
Part of my point is that many undocumented workers do NOT receive these benefits or even minimum wage. It is a pretty gross exploitation of a demographic. If they disappear, the backlash in terms of cost of food to American families is going to be catastrophic. It is not a good situation from either side of the argument.
The threat of being unable to afford food is exponentially greater to any American than is the threat of physical violence from an illegal immigrant. That is abundantly clear.
going4roses
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Hmm
"Tedious Repetition of routine actions are what make us great"
movielover
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We don't employ 40 - 50 million people to harvest food, and a good chunk of agriculture is now mechanized. We have an H-2A Temporary Workers Program for agriculture. Previously, we had the Los Braceros program before mechanization that employed Mexican seasonal ag workers.

In this YouTube video we see New York City children kicked out of a public school to make room for illegal immigrants. A local resident says the illegal immigrants have bags of new 'drip' from Target.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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movielover said:

We don't employ 40 - 50 million people to harvest food, and a good chunk of agriculture is now mechanized. We have an H-2A Temporary Workers Program for agriculture. Previously, we had the Los Braceros program before mechanization that employed Mexican seasonal ag workers.

In this YouTube video we see New York City children kicked out of a public school to make room for illegal immigrants. A local resident says the illegal immigrants have bags of new 'drip' from Target.


Yeah, America is denying an education to some kids. Right.
movielover
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New Bangladesh immigrant attempts to rape a 12-year-old girl in the UK. Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA8aynxtGx6/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
going4roses
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But white men are the number #1 child sex abusers … no smoke for them though
"Tedious Repetition of routine actions are what make us great"
bear2034
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Have you heard of the disturbing revelations coming out of Rotterham, U.K.? The government were aware of reports coming out of this one area of, let's just call it child abuse, but didn't act on them for fear of appearing racist?
movielover
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Not in the UK where predominantly Pakistani Muslim "grooming gangs" commit gang rapes (20 to 40 men), defacto torture, and pimping of teenage girls - over years. Given the numerous towns and decades of the culture of UK grooming gangs, likely tens of thousands of teenagers have been raped.

Statistics show for this "grooming gang" rape culture is committed by 85% Pakistani Muslims.

Rapes by UK Muslim cab drivers is also off the charts.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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movielover said:

Not in the UK where predominantly Pakistani Muslim "grooming gangs" commit gang rapes (20 to 40 men), defacto torture, and pimping of teenage girls - over years. Given the numerous towns and decades of the culture of UK grooming gangs, likely tens of thousands of teenagers have been raped.

Statistics show for this "grooming gang" rape culture is committed by 85% Pakistani Muslims.

Rapes by UK Muslim cab drivers is also off the charts.
Claims like these are why no one takes you seriously. Do you even think about this stuff before posting?
movielover
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One of many towns to have this sick evil behavior. Imagine being a powerless British Father - no gun rights - when a carload of men in their 30s and 40s come to pick up your 13-year-old foster child?

Other towns include:

Oxford
Telford
Huddersfield
Rotherham
Rochdale
Bristol
Peterborough
Newcastle

"Some estimate that grooming gangs operate in 73 towns, from Plymouth to Liverpool, from Cambridge to Glasgow."

Children are threatened that their younger siblings or Mothers will be killed, raped, or both. One child was stripped naked in a field, doused in petrol, and told they will light the match if they talk. Abortions happen, birthed children are taken, causing more trauma, etc.
bear2034
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movielover
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BBC: Huddersfield grooming: Twenty guilty of campaign of rape and abuse

"The men were convicted of more than 120 offences against 15 girls."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45918845

Independent: More than 1,000 children abused by grooming gangs in Telford amid decades of failings

"At least one victim of grooming gangs in Telford, 16-year-old Lucy Lowe, who was pregnant, was murdered and her death was then used as a threat to keep other victims quiet.

"She was killed alongside her mother and sister by her abuser Azhar Ali Mehmood, then 26, who set fire to their home in 2000."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/telford-grooming-gang-children-abused-b2121490.html

Independent: Oldham grooming gangs' victims receive apologies over authorities' failures

"She went to Oldham police station to report being raped by an Asian man in October 2006.

"She was told to come back when she was "not drunk" and instead taken in a car by a man also visiting the police station, then raped in the vehicle, before being taken to a house and raped multiple times by five different men."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/oldham-andy-burnham-greater-manchester-greater-manchester-police-pakistani-b2105115.html
movielover
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Dr. Jordan Peterson interviewed this brave citizen journalist once or twice before his most recent unjust jailing (they want to silence him).

Robinson recounted the ghastly ongoing gang rapes of a young girl. After the police finally intercede, they identified something like 95 perps; Tommy Robinson's team gathered data alleging up to 129 or 130 vile peeps. Evidence included "human DNA" (sperm). The police prosecuted four!

Robinson recounted his education - as a young man, he thought these young girls were 'slags' (loose) hanging out with older Asian men. He then came to realize they were 'groomed', often foster children, offered beer, cigarettes, pot, and then one day they're brought into a room with 5 or 15 men and gang raped. That behavior-continues (not just a one night nightmare), and girls are often then taken to neighboring towns for new groups of men.

The Rape of Britain - documentary produced by Tommy Robinson, scratches the surface. Allegedly police are getting bribed and widespread corruption exists.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

We don't employ 40 - 50 million people to harvest food, and a good chunk of agriculture is now mechanized. We have an H-2A Temporary Workers Program for agriculture. Previously, we had the Los Braceros program before mechanization that employed Mexican seasonal ag workers.

In this YouTube video we see New York City children kicked out of a public school to make room for illegal immigrants. A local resident says the illegal immigrants have bags of new 'drip' from Target.


Yeah, America is denying an education to some kids. Right.
The indoctrination we have been giving them for years is not the broad education we should be giving them.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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SFCityBear said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

We don't employ 40 - 50 million people to harvest food, and a good chunk of agriculture is now mechanized. We have an H-2A Temporary Workers Program for agriculture. Previously, we had the Los Braceros program before mechanization that employed Mexican seasonal ag workers.

In this YouTube video we see New York City children kicked out of a public school to make room for illegal immigrants. A local resident says the illegal immigrants have bags of new 'drip' from Target.


Yeah, America is denying an education to some kids. Right.
The indoctrination we have been giving them for years is not the broad education we should be giving them.
That's an entirely different issue.
movielover
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Shipwreckedcrew@shipwreckedcrew

"Everyone should read.

"Pakistan is a third-world country dominated by a Muslim socio-religious ideology. Religios beliefs dominates both legal and cultural norms.

"Import the Third World and become the Third World."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/04/when-working-class-girls-were-sacrificed-to-ideology/
Eastern Oregon Bear
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movielover said:

Shipwreckedcrew@shipwreckedcrew

"Everyone should read.

"Pakistan is a third-world country dominated by a Muslim socio-religious ideology. Religios beliefs dominates both legal and cultural norms.

"Import the Third World and become the Third World."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/04/when-working-class-girls-were-sacrificed-to-ideology/
Doesn't he have any ambulances to chase?
bear2034
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Not in the UK where predominantly Pakistani Muslim "grooming gangs" commit gang rapes (20 to 40 men), defacto torture, and pimping of teenage girls - over years. Given the numerous towns and decades of the culture of UK grooming gangs, likely tens of thousands of teenagers have been raped.

Statistics show for this "grooming gang" rape culture is committed by 85% Pakistani Muslims.

Rapes by UK Muslim cab drivers is also off the charts.
Claims like these are why no one takes you seriously. Do you even think about this stuff before posting?
What part of this do you disagree with?
bear2034
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movielover
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Really evil, just like the UK. Where are the feminists? The human rights types, the misgendered is an offense crowd? These are brutal, ongoing child rapes and torture, and racist as well - brown men preying on young white children and teenagers.

It reveals they have no real moral high ground. They're not against racism, or rape, or violent crimes against children. They protect multiculturalism, whacky Liberal causes and their own gravy train.
 
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