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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:55a, 1/11/26
BearlySane88 said:
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They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:14a, 1/11/26
Some of these people are convicted criminals, while others have ignored Removal Orders (deportation) issued by immigration judges after proceedings.

Those that are deported and re-enter illegally a second orvl third time can face "federal criminal prosecution (8 U.S.C. 1326) with potential prison sentences (up to 20 years for aggravated felonies), mandatory reinstatement of the prior removal order (no new hearing), and a permanent bar from lawful admission (INA 212(a)(9)(C)), essentially closing future legal avenues".

Why do we want tens of millions of uneducated immigrants, often illiterate in two languages? This while AI and automation are exploding. Many of these illegal, uneducated immigrants will cost us $500,000 in net costs over their lifetime. All because McDonald's and Uber want plentiful cheap labor?
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In reply to sycasey • 10:21a, 1/11/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:27a, 1/11/26
We have a lottery for a million people a year to legally enter, plus student visas, tourist visas (often overstay), H1B visas, etc.

I'm fine with 50,000 visas for cobblers, visas for skilled machinists and auto workers from Germany, and visas for South Afrikaners / Boers being hunted down.

We should probably reduce H1B visas and reduce the impact of Chinese university students.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:29a, 1/11/26
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:33a, 1/11/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.


That's subjective but I get your point.
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In reply to movielover • 10:39a, 1/11/26
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We have a lottery for a million people a year to legally enter, plus student visas, tourist visas (often overstay), H1B visas, etc.

I'm fine with 50,000 visas for cobblers, visas for skilled machinists and auto workers from Germany, and visas for South Afrikaners / Boers being hunted down.

We should probably reduce H1B visas and reduce the impact of Chinese university students.


I'm all for your first paragraph.

The fact you only listed white groups as people you'd be fine with giving visas to is where I have issue. I think skilled workers of all races should be given a chance for visas. I think workers who help provide our nations food supplies should be given a chance at visas. Those are just examples. I think all illegal aliens with criminal records should be barred from that conversation.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 11:23a, 1/11/26
BearlySane88 said:
movielover said:
We have a lottery for a million people a year to legally enter, plus student visas, tourist visas (often overstay), H1B visas, etc.

I'm fine with 50,000 visas for cobblers, visas for skilled machinists and auto workers from Germany, and visas for South Afrikaners / Boers being hunted down.

We should probably reduce H1B visas and reduce the impact of Chinese university students.


I'm all for your first paragraph.

The fact you only listed white groups as people you'd be fine with giving visas to is where I have issue. I think skilled workers of all races should be given a chance for visas. I think workers who help provide our nations food supplies should be given a chance at visas. Those are just examples. I think all illegal aliens with criminal records should be barred from that conversation.


I knew someone would make a false analysis, yours well intentioned. Your above post is false.

I recently just posted this: "Specific industries may need help. I read a report where we'll need 50,000 cobblers. So set up training sites in Central and South America, provide legitimate training, and test people before entry."

BTW, let's update ourselves. Germany has had significant immigration for decades, and auto workers include immigrants from Turkey, Poland, Russia, Syria, and Ukraine to name a few. Germany has educated workers while their heavy industries decline, a perfect opportunity for America's growing manufacturing base.
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In reply to movielover • 12:33p, 1/11/26
movielover said:
BearlySane88 said:
movielover said:
We have a lottery for a million people a year to legally enter, plus student visas, tourist visas (often overstay), H1B visas, etc.

I'm fine with 50,000 visas for cobblers, visas for skilled machinists and auto workers from Germany, and visas for South Afrikaners / Boers being hunted down.

We should probably reduce H1B visas and reduce the impact of Chinese university students.


I'm all for your first paragraph.

The fact you only listed white groups as people you'd be fine with giving visas to is where I have issue. I think skilled workers of all races should be given a chance for visas. I think workers who help provide our nations food supplies should be given a chance at visas. Those are just examples. I think all illegal aliens with criminal records should be barred from that conversation.


I knew someone would make a false analysis, yours well intentioned. Your above post is false.

I recently just posted this: "Specific industries may need help. I read a report where we'll need 50,000 cobblers. So set up training sites in Central and South America, provide legitimate training, and test people before entry."

BTW, let's update ourselves. Germany has had significant immigration for decades, and auto workers include immigrants from Turkey, Poland, Russia, Syria, and Ukraine to name a few. Germany has educated workers while their heavy industries decline, a perfect opportunity for America's growing manufacturing base.


Fair distinction, that is true. I was not trying to call you racist, btw. Appreciate you clarifying
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In reply to sycasey • 12:39p, 1/11/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 1:23p, 1/11/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?

Not if you are also doing a good job of locking down the border. Trump is doing that, right? Should be room for the other part now.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:14p, 1/11/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?


Yes. It makes sense for Democrats to give a pathway for illegal Democrat voters dependent on social services to become legal Democrat voters dependent on social services.
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In reply to movielover • 3:17p, 1/11/26
movielover said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?


Yes. It makes sense for Democrats to give a pathway for illegal Democrat voters dependent on social services to become legal Democrat voters dependent on social services.

If a Republican government welcomed these immigrants in and treated them well they would probably be able to win their votes. See: a lot of those who came in under Reagan. It's a choice to not do this.
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10:47p, 1/11/26
Interesting dialogue. Sycasey as usual is playing the mother hen. Why is that some people think that everyone in the world is entitled to an American lifestyle? It's not MAGA's fault that the illegals now have to be deported; that's on the Dems who brought them here in the first place. But if they are not consuming any taxpayer handouts (housing, SNAP, Medicaid, etc), I'm not against giving them a path to citizenship. But no family member brought in by an immigrant should EVER be entitled to government aid (beyond a plane ticket home). And any state that violates these principles should see its federal funding cut. Drastic times, drastic measures. There's a fiscal tidal wave coming and it's going to be unlike anything we've ever seen in this country. Everyone who has nothing to lose except their government checks is going to be a big, big problem (think BLM mostly peaceful protests to the third power), especially since most of these people come from low-trust societies with loyalty only to kin. The longer we put off making hard choices, the more difficult the choices will ultimately become.

Trump made an offer to Canadians with trade skills. This is the way forward; it's the kind of immigration we need.
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In reply to movielover • 10:59p, 1/11/26
movielover said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?


Yes. It makes sense for Democrats to give a pathway for illegal Democrat voters dependent on social services to become legal Democrat voters dependent on social services.

Strategy hasn't really worked out for them like they thought it would though.
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11:09p, 1/11/26
In May 2025, the Trump administration launched "Project Homecoming," a voluntary self-deportation program offering undocumented immigrants a free one-way flight back to their home country (or another country where they have legal status) along with a $1,000 "exit bonus" stipend upon confirmed departure.

The program, administered through the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Protection app, also includes forgiveness of certain civil fines and deprioritization for arrest while arrangements are made.

Those who participate may be eligible for future legal reentry pathways.

The incentive was temporarily increased to $3,000 with a free flight during the 2025 holiday season to encourage more departures.

Seems to me like a generous alternative to forced removal.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 1:29a, 1/12/26
Very generous.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 9:07a, 1/12/26
Aunburdened said:
movielover said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?


Yes. It makes sense for Democrats to give a pathway for illegal Democrat voters dependent on social services to become legal Democrat voters dependent on social services.

Strategy hasn't really worked out for them like they thought it would though.

It's silly to me that people still make this argument. Obviously these immigrants do not remain loyal Democratic voters forever (or at least their children don't). Even if it was the strategy it doesn't work.
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9:12a, 1/12/26
Just as Democrats rely on single White cat ladies.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:15p, 1/12/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
movielover said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They're murderers, thieves, and rapists. The other countries aren't sending their best like Trump said.


Yes, but there are many good folks too. That's the tough part.


It is hard because they all get lumped together in operations like this. I do feel for the hard working immigrants that support this country. I would have preferred Trump offered some pathway to citizenship for law abiding (besides illegal entry) immigrants.

I'm grateful that ICE is removing these bad actors but I'm not heartless for those who are good people.

Yes, though national politicians on the left have attempted to get pathways to citizenship for those who are already here (in exchange for increased funding for border security, etc.) and Republicans have consistently blocked it. That tells me they're not interested in letting people stay.

And now ICE is busy sweeping people up when they show up for their immigration court appointments (in other words, people who are trying to find the legal pathway to citizenship). Seems pretty clear the government just wants to throw people out.


Why does it have to be in exchange for anything? Why can't both sides just do the right thing regardless of who is proposing it? That's not a shot at you, it's a shot at our system.

I hate how divisive and polarizing our political landscape is. Rarely do I agree entirely with one side of the argument or the other.

Well, in this case one side doesn't want to do the right thing (pathways for citizenship), so the other side has attempted to exchange something for it.

That doesn't mean it's always the left who wants to do the right thing on every topic, but on this one it is.

How does it make sense to offer pathways to citizenship to illegals when there are other immigrants waiting to obtain citizenship legally? Doesn't this incentivize others to bypass the legal process and enter illegally?


Yes. It makes sense for Democrats to give a pathway for illegal Democrat voters dependent on social services to become legal Democrat voters dependent on social services.

Strategy hasn't really worked out for them like they thought it would though.

It's silly to me that people still make this argument. Obviously these immigrants do not remain loyal Democratic voters forever (or at least their children don't). Even if it was the strategy it doesn't work.

It's not silly if you allow illegals in faster than they can reproduce Republican voting children.
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12:16p, 1/12/26

This is all too predictable.
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12:19p, 1/12/26
Leftists tried to stop ICE from getting out of their vehicles. Darwin never loses.

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