Illegal Immigration

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sycasey said:

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It is not clear that due process was violated here. We are lacking facts. It is entirely possible ICE initiated lawful contact with the wrong person and subsequently determined that person was also subject to detention/deportation. And it is possible the wrong person was improperly detained. The latest reporting I have seen says this person is at a detention center. That is consistent with both scenarios (ie being held while the clock ticks on his Due Process notification window or sitting in a cell improperly). But the mere fact that this person is detained does not mean civil rights were necessarily violated.
I'm going to say that never identifying yourselves or giving the suspect a chance to identify themselves is still a due process problem.
The dangers of relying on TikTok video from (likely) partisan sources....
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Local to Nebraska ABC news (emphasis added)
https://www.ketv.com/article/omaha-restaurant-employee-detained-ice-agents-in-country-illegally/64968462

Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed to KETV Investigates that the man detained by ICE agents at an Early Bird restaurant in Omaha was in the country illegally.

On Tuesday, KETV Investigates obtained video showing a man being taken to the ground inside Early Bird's west Omaha location on June 1.

On Wednesday morning, the assistant secretary for the Department of Homeland Security's public affairs told KETV Investigates that any allegations that the man was "wrongfully taken" by ICE are false.

ICE confirmed that the employee seen in the video was in the country illegally from Guatemala, working under a fraudulent name and Social Security number.

Officials said the man also had a prior immigration encounter in 2022 involving false documents.

Early Bird corporate posted on social media Tuesday, saying, "We had no involvement or knowledge of this incident prior to living it alongside our guests and staff."

"Due to the sensitive nature of this matter and out of respect for the individual's privacy and legal process, we will not be releasing any further details. We remain committed to creating a respectful, lawful, and inclusive work environment!"

While KETV has confirmed the man's identity, we are not releasing it at this time until the case against him moves forward.

The Hearst National Investigative Unit learned he's being held at the Pottawattamie County jail.

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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:


It is not clear that due process was violated here. We are lacking facts. It is entirely possible ICE initiated lawful contact with the wrong person and subsequently determined that person was also subject to detention/deportation. And it is possible the wrong person was improperly detained. The latest reporting I have seen says this person is at a detention center. That is consistent with both scenarios (ie being held while the clock ticks on his Due Process notification window or sitting in a cell improperly). But the mere fact that this person is detained does not mean civil rights were necessarily violated.
I'm going to say that never identifying yourselves or giving the suspect a chance to identify themselves is still a due process problem.
The dangers of relying on TikTok video from (likely) partisan sources....
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Local to Nebraska ABC news (emphasis added)
https://www.ketv.com/article/omaha-restaurant-employee-detained-ice-agents-in-country-illegally/64968462

Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed to KETV Investigates that the man detained by ICE agents at an Early Bird restaurant in Omaha was in the country illegally.

On Tuesday, KETV Investigates obtained video showing a man being taken to the ground inside Early Bird's west Omaha location on June 1.

On Wednesday morning, the assistant secretary for the Department of Homeland Security's public affairs told KETV Investigates that any allegations that the man was "wrongfully taken" by ICE are false.

ICE confirmed that the employee seen in the video was in the country illegally from Guatemala, working under a fraudulent name and Social Security number.

Officials said the man also had a prior immigration encounter in 2022 involving false documents.

Early Bird corporate posted on social media Tuesday, saying, "We had no involvement or knowledge of this incident prior to living it alongside our guests and staff."

"Due to the sensitive nature of this matter and out of respect for the individual's privacy and legal process, we will not be releasing any further details. We remain committed to creating a respectful, lawful, and inclusive work environment!"

While KETV has confirmed the man's identity, we are not releasing it at this time until the case against him moves forward.

The Hearst National Investigative Unit learned he's being held at the Pottawattamie County jail.
If it turns out that they didn't make a mistake with this guy, then I withdraw my objection in this particular instance. General objection to the process still stands.
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Bye bye.

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Agents Use Military-Style Force Against Protesters at L.A. Immigration Raid - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/us/los-angeles-immigration-raid.html

*There are almost 5M Latinos residing in Los Angeles County. The Trump Administration is biting off more than it can chew here with these storm trooper tactics. As the size of the demonstrations grow, what is he going to do, mobilize the Army and start shooting people down in the streets?



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Maybe go to places like Bakersfield and Riverside.
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MSM hides these crimes.

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bearister said:

Agents Use Military-Style Force Against Protesters at L.A. Immigration Raid - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/us/los-angeles-immigration-raid.html

*There are almost 5M Latinos residing in Los Angeles County. The Trump Administration is biting off more than it can chew here with these storm trooper tactics. As the size of the demonstrations grow, what is he going to do, mobilize the Army and start shooting people down in the streets?




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Arrest complicit local officials, possibly poll the action first.
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This raid sounds like massive overkill and screw up. Convoys of vehicles and they managed to get locked into the building! Pelted with eggs on the way out - thank you Mr President for bringing the price down.

Lots of excess ripe for DOGE cuts. Oh and wake me up when they raid a chicken plant in a red state
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Just when I thought it wasn't possible to dumb America down any further, Trump proves me wrong. The man has skills:

"The Trump administration's spending cuts and restrictions on foreign students are triggering a brain drain and American scientists are panicking, Axios' Erica Pandey reports.

Why it matters: U.S. researchers' fears are coming true. America's science pipeline is drying up, and countries like China are seizing the opportunity to surge ahead.

"This is such a race for being the science powerhouse that you never fully recover," says Marcia McNutt, president of the National Academy of Sciences. "You might accelerate back up to 60, but you can't make up for those years when you were at a standstill while the competition was racing ahead."

Driving the news: The National Science Foundation, which funds much of America's fundamental science research, is already doling out grants at its slowest pace in 35 years, The New York Times reports.

More cuts to science could come with the "big, beautiful bill."
The Trump administration also says it will "aggressively revoke" visas for Chinese students studying in "critical fields."

By the numbers: While American universities are rescinding offers to incoming PhD students, other countries are recruiting heavily setting aside cash for U.S. scientists and even sending personal emails."
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What could go wrong?

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It's been coming for a while, but the Republican Party is now completely anti-intellectual and that will have major consequences down the line.
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sycasey said:

It's been coming for a while, but the Republican Party is now completely anti-intellectual and that will have major consequences down the line.


From the electorate that gave you Trump:

Federal agency issues public reminder in response to REAL ID confusion | Fox News


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tsa-tells-americans-costco-cards-wont-fly-airport-security-despite-love-hotdogs



*I hate myself. I am such an elitist to make a post like this…..and people thought Leno's Jay Walking bit was funny when it was actually horrifying.
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So weird this right wing projection- US marshals under attack- from whom. This whole operation is a clown car.
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When you conduct yourself like storm troopers as law enforcement did in the Bay Area during the Vietnam War protests, you inflame violence. The British Army did the same thing in Belfast.





Tom Homan was popping off on the national news that they were just arresting robbers, wh@res, pedos and murderers. If he would produce endorsed filed copies of the charging documents and/or the convictions, I would be willing to cut ICE some slack. The problem is that heretofore, the Administration has proven itself to be a bunch of GD liars not to be trusted.


Exactly what the f@uck is this suppose to accomplish other than to engender sheer terror….and provide anonymity for the perp when he grinds the face of a protestor into the cobblestones with his jack boot.

Trump pulled the same sh@it in D.C. during Trump I:


Trump is emersed in a Totalitarian State wet dream where he terrorizes, stomps and beats the citizenry into compliance. This had 10 year old boy emotional maturity written all over it.
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They were raiding a Home Depot and acting like they are in Fallujah. A Home Depot! . This is a big time fiasco
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The dark clouds of totalitarianism are gathering. Trump's blood lust demands dead Latinos in the streets of the City of Angels.

https://abc7news.com/post/protests-erupt-immigration-customs-enforcement-raids-los-angeles-california/16690197/





"Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020."
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary

"Gen Mark Milley, the top US military leader, resisted Donald Trump's demands that his forces "crack skulls" and "beat the f@uck out" of protesters marching against police brutality and structural racism, according to a much-trailed new book."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/donald-trump-general-mark-milley-crack-skulls?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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movielover
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Set up surveillance next time and arrest the perps. I bet a decent portion are illegal themselves.

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dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

I think it should be much easier for law-abiding and productive immigrants to gain citizenship than it currently is. If we can do that, I am fine with prosecuting and tossing out the rest.
It's a big game. The UniParty and Wall Street want an unlimited supply of cheap labor, and Democrats want to rig elections for decades (including Amnesty).

Democrats abandoned the middle class and blue collar Americans for POC and unlimited illegal immigration, rigged voter roles, elections, etc.

We allow over one million legal residents entry per year, plus various visas, H1B visas, student viseas, etc.

The UniParty and MSM also lie about the true illegal immigrant count which is easily somewhere between 35 and 50 million. (Ivy League academic research estimate + Autopen importing 10-21 million more.)

If you tell Americans we have, say, 45 million illegal immigrants, 300,000 missing children, the average uneducated illiterate illegal immigrant costing us $800K to $1 million per treaspasser, etc., they likely would demand serious policies and actions. They don't want that. They want short term fixes, corporate American wants its next quarter to look good.

Just like Ukraine. They won't tell us there are 1.2 to 1.3 million dead Ukrainians, 200K plus amputees, no hope of winning, etc. They want $$$ and control and MIC games.

And why are we spending $1 Trillion per year on military, 400 - 700 military bases around the world?

Insanity.
Sycasey's post is precisely the kind of common sense approach people from both sides should be able to agree on. We are a nation of immigrants. We should promote legal immigration. We should halt the nonsense we've seen lately from D's and globalist R's of gaming the system to benefit their fat cat donors who want the cheap labor for even higher profits.

I think if you pressed movielover and bear2034 for their real opinions on this issue, you'll find that they just don't want immigration at all. Especially if the immigrants are not white and not Christian. But maybe they'll surprise me with an actual coherent argument to the contrary one of these days.


Yes, most magats just want a white, Christian patriarchy. That's old news. But what's interesting is 45% of non-Black poc allied with them in the 2024 election.
Good luck to them.


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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

I think it should be much easier for law-abiding and productive immigrants to gain citizenship than it currently is. If we can do that, I am fine with prosecuting and tossing out the rest.
It's a big game. The UniParty and Wall Street want an unlimited supply of cheap labor, and Democrats want to rig elections for decades (including Amnesty).

Democrats abandoned the middle class and blue collar Americans for POC and unlimited illegal immigration, rigged voter roles, elections, etc.

We allow over one million legal residents entry per year, plus various visas, H1B visas, student viseas, etc.

The UniParty and MSM also lie about the true illegal immigrant count which is easily somewhere between 35 and 50 million. (Ivy League academic research estimate + Autopen importing 10-21 million more.)

If you tell Americans we have, say, 45 million illegal immigrants, 300,000 missing children, the average uneducated illiterate illegal immigrant costing us $800K to $1 million per treaspasser, etc., they likely would demand serious policies and actions. They don't want that. They want short term fixes, corporate American wants its next quarter to look good.

Just like Ukraine. They won't tell us there are 1.2 to 1.3 million dead Ukrainians, 200K plus amputees, no hope of winning, etc. They want $$$ and control and MIC games.

And why are we spending $1 Trillion per year on military, 400 - 700 military bases around the world?

Insanity.
Sycasey's post is precisely the kind of common sense approach people from both sides should be able to agree on. We are a nation of immigrants. We should promote legal immigration. We should halt the nonsense we've seen lately from D's and globalist R's of gaming the system to benefit their fat cat donors who want the cheap labor for even higher profits.

I think if you pressed movielover and bear2034 for their real opinions on this issue, you'll find that they just don't want immigration at all. Especially if the immigrants are not white and not Christian. But maybe they'll surprise me with an actual coherent argument to the contrary one of these days.


Yes, most magats just want a white, Christian patriarchy. That's old news. But what's interesting is 45% of non-Black poc allied with them in the 2024 election.
Good luck to them.





But she still supports Trump and has no regrets
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Where are the goats?

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Why do illegals hate America?
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Why are Californians obsessed with sneakers?
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Sad it's come to this, migrants accused of raping two teenage girls, vigilante response. Northern Ireland.

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bear2034 said:


Why are Californians obsessed with sneakers?
Not a single white person in that entire looting crowd? Why is that?
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