DiabloWags said:
Cost of Pentagon securing the Border since February :
$1.2 BILLION
Money well spent.
Illegal Immigration
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Money well spent.
dajo9 said:sycasey said:
ICE seems to be busy arresting the people who actually show up for their immigration hearings, try to operate under the law and in public, etc., because it's too hard to catch the actual criminals who won't be doing any of those things.
That's how you know it's not really about catching the worst of the worst. They just don't like immigrants.
Sneaky Trump. Immigrants go after jobs. When America had a labor shortage in 2021 immigrants piled into the country. Sneaky Trump plans to crash the US job market to reduce immigration.
This all just lines up with oski003's plan to reduce immigration by making America a worse place to visit. Brilliant idea, really.
sycasey said:dajo9 said:sycasey said:
ICE seems to be busy arresting the people who actually show up for their immigration hearings, try to operate under the law and in public, etc., because it's too hard to catch the actual criminals who won't be doing any of those things.
That's how you know it's not really about catching the worst of the worst. They just don't like immigrants.
Sneaky Trump. Immigrants go after jobs. When America had a labor shortage in 2021 immigrants piled into the country. Sneaky Trump plans to crash the US job market to reduce immigration.
This all just lines up with oski003's plan to reduce immigration by making America a worse place to visit. Brilliant idea, really.
Much better than sycasey's strategy to increase illegal immigration by having the American taxpayer pay for their 4,000 mile journey past several of their neighboring countries. It was a brilliant idea to get more Democrats elected, really.
oski003 said:sycasey said:dajo9 said:sycasey said:
ICE seems to be busy arresting the people who actually show up for their immigration hearings, try to operate under the law and in public, etc., because it's too hard to catch the actual criminals who won't be doing any of those things.
That's how you know it's not really about catching the worst of the worst. They just don't like immigrants.
Sneaky Trump. Immigrants go after jobs. When America had a labor shortage in 2021 immigrants piled into the country. Sneaky Trump plans to crash the US job market to reduce immigration.
This all just lines up with oski003's plan to reduce immigration by making America a worse place to visit. Brilliant idea, really.
Much better than sycasey's strategy to increase illegal immigration by having the American taxpayer pay for their 4,000 mile journey past several of their neighboring countries. It was a brilliant idea to get more Democrats elected, really.
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:dajo9 said:sycasey said:
ICE seems to be busy arresting the people who actually show up for their immigration hearings, try to operate under the law and in public, etc., because it's too hard to catch the actual criminals who won't be doing any of those things.
That's how you know it's not really about catching the worst of the worst. They just don't like immigrants.
Sneaky Trump. Immigrants go after jobs. When America had a labor shortage in 2021 immigrants piled into the country. Sneaky Trump plans to crash the US job market to reduce immigration.
This all just lines up with oski003's plan to reduce immigration by making America a worse place to visit. Brilliant idea, really.
Much better than sycasey's strategy to increase illegal immigration by having the American taxpayer pay for their 4,000 mile journey past several of their neighboring countries. It was a brilliant idea to get more Democrats elected, really.
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
Many illegal immigrants are, but okay.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:dajo9 said:sycasey said:
ICE seems to be busy arresting the people who actually show up for their immigration hearings, try to operate under the law and in public, etc., because it's too hard to catch the actual criminals who won't be doing any of those things.
That's how you know it's not really about catching the worst of the worst. They just don't like immigrants.
Sneaky Trump. Immigrants go after jobs. When America had a labor shortage in 2021 immigrants piled into the country. Sneaky Trump plans to crash the US job market to reduce immigration.
This all just lines up with oski003's plan to reduce immigration by making America a worse place to visit. Brilliant idea, really.
Much better than sycasey's strategy to increase illegal immigration by having the American taxpayer pay for their 4,000 mile journey past several of their neighboring countries. It was a brilliant idea to get more Democrats elected, really.
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
Illegal immigrants are a massive drain; legal are a positive. Vastly different groups.
Illegal immigrants are significant contributors to the tax base
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes/
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes/
movielover said:sycasey said:
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
Illegal immigrants are a massive drain; legal are a positive. Vastly different groups.
Which immigrants are the ones that pick the crops in California's $60 BILLION Agriculture Business?
dajo9 said:
Illegal immigrants are significant contributors to the tax base
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes/
what a terrible analysis, as they ignore local costs, such as schools and health care. Yes, immigrants are a net gain to federal Social Security as they cannot receive benefits, but they are a huge drain against state budgets. As balanced studies have shown.
For example, LA Unified estimates that a quarter of all students are undocumented. That means hundreds of teachers and numerous schools exist that otherwise would not be needed.
Big Dog said:dajo9 said:
Illegal immigrants are significant contributors to the tax base
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes/
what a terrible analysis, as they ignore local costs, such as schools and health care. Yes, immigrants are a net gain to federal Social Security as they cannot receive benefits, but they are a huge drain against state budgets. As balanced studies have shown.
For example, LA Unified estimates that a quarter of all students are undocumented. That means hundreds of teachers and numerous schools exist that otherwise would not be needed.
Link a report
And an educated populace, regardless of origin, is a net positive
DiabloWags said:movielover said:sycasey said:
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
Illegal immigrants are a massive drain; legal are a positive. Vastly different groups.
Which immigrants are the ones that pick the crops in California's $60 BILLION Agriculture Business?
It doesn't take 35 million illegal immigrants to pick fruit, especially w farm mechanization for some crops, and rotating harvests.
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This is becoming a common occurrence, if this was vice versa, legacy media and politicians would be all over it.
As it's not, they turn a blind eye!
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Big Dog said:dajo9 said:
Illegal immigrants are significant contributors to the tax base
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes/
what a terrible analysis, as they ignore local costs, such as schools and health care. Yes, immigrants are a net gain to federal Social Security as they cannot receive benefits, but they are a huge drain against state budgets. As balanced studies have shown.
For example, LA Unified estimates that a quarter of all students are undocumented. That means hundreds of teachers and numerous schools exist that otherwise would not be needed.
You can make an argument that immigrants are a drain in certain segments of the country, or certain industries. But the original claim was that they were a drain to the American taxpayer. There's no evidence that shows this to be true, on the whole.
Most illegal immigrants have low skills, low education, and many are illiterate in two languages, which has big implications.
They pay modest amounts in taxes, and consume huge social costs... hospitals, ERs, education, food programs, subsidized housing, Head Start, childcare, etc. In addition, w Democrats giving millions Social Security cards and IDs, it opens them up to even morefreebies. Not to mention the law enforcement costs of the cartels, human smuggling, and hundreds of thousands killed by fentanyl.
They've also driven down blue collar wages for decades.
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They pay modest amounts in taxes, and consume huge social costs... hospitals, ERs, education, food programs, subsidized housing, Head Start, childcare, etc. In addition, w Democrats giving millions Social Security cards and IDs, it opens them up to even morefreebies. Not to mention the law enforcement costs of the cartels, human smuggling, and hundreds of thousands killed by fentanyl.
They've also driven down blue collar wages for decades.
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movielover said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:sycasey said:
Immigrants are not a net drain on taxpayers, but okay.
Illegal immigrants are a massive drain; legal are a positive. Vastly different groups.
Which immigrants are the ones that pick the crops in California's $60 BILLION Agriculture Business?
It doesn't take 35 million illegal immigrants to pick fruit, especially w farm mechanization for some crops, and rotating harvests.
Hey genius, CA doesn't allow autonomous farm equipment.
It's banned.
There are between 500,000 - 800,000 farm workers in CALIFORNIA.
And half of all farmworkers in America reside in CA.
movielover said:
Most illegal immigrants have low skills, low education, and many are illiterate in two languages, which has big implications.
They pay modest amounts in taxes, and consume huge social costs... hospitals, ERs, education, food programs, subsidized housing, Head Start, childcare, etc. In addition, w Democrats giving millions Social Security cards and IDs, it opens them up to even morefreebies. Not to mention the law enforcement costs of the cartels, human smuggling, and hundreds of thousands killed by fentanyl.
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That's a very compelling story, but again as far as I know almost all of the studies say this simply isn't true.
Progressive studies. Decades ago the Heritage Foundation said every illegal immigrant cost us $400,000 lifetime.
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That's a very compelling story, but again as far as I know almost all of the studies say this simply isn't true.
"Almost all of the studies...."
sycasey said:movielover said:
Most illegal immigrants have low skills, low education, and many are illiterate in two languages, which has big implications.
They pay modest amounts in taxes, and consume huge social costs... hospitals, ERs, education, food programs, subsidized housing, Head Start, childcare, etc. In addition, w Democrats giving millions Social Security cards and IDs, it opens them up to even morefreebies. Not to mention the law enforcement costs of the cartels, human smuggling, and hundreds of thousands killed by fentanyl.
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That's a very compelling story, but again as far as I know almost all of the studies say this simply isn't true.
They dont link the studies. They only have memes for dumb people.
bear2034 said:Quote:
That's a very compelling story, but again as far as I know almost all of the studies say this simply isn't true.
"Almost all of the studies...."
Yeah there's like one outlier as far as I know. Perhaps you could show us your research some time.
movielover said:
Progressive studies. Decades ago the Heritage Foundation said every illegal immigrant cost us $400,000 lifetime.
Progressives studies like from the CATO Institute? That's one of the big ones I know of.
Based on a much smaller illegal immigrant pool studied in 2013:
"Over their lifetime, Heritage says, newly legal immigrants would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits under the Gang of Eight bill including Social Security and Medicare, social programs like Medicaid and food stamps, and new health coverage under Obamacare while paying back $3.1 trillion in taxes...."
"...Heritage estimates that the "typical unlawful immigrant" is 34 years old and has a 10th grade education, and that each household gets more than $14,000 in benefits beyond what it pays in taxes a figure that would swell to more than $29,000 once the household becomes eligible for Obamacare and welfare programs. Under the Gang of Eight bill, that wouldn't happen for more than a decade.
"At that point, the costs simply explode … and it becomes extraordinarily expensive," said Robert Rector, the lead author of the report.
"By and large, a person who doesn't have a high school education imposes enormous costs," said Rector. "It doesn't matter whether he's born in Kansas, he's a legal immigrant, or he's an illegal immigrant. They all look pretty much the same." "
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/heritage-foundation-report-immigration-090955
$13,000 yr x 40 years = $520,000
Again, these numbers were before Obamacare.
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/heritage-foundation-report-immigration-090955
"Over their lifetime, Heritage says, newly legal immigrants would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits under the Gang of Eight bill including Social Security and Medicare, social programs like Medicaid and food stamps, and new health coverage under Obamacare while paying back $3.1 trillion in taxes...."
"...Heritage estimates that the "typical unlawful immigrant" is 34 years old and has a 10th grade education, and that each household gets more than $14,000 in benefits beyond what it pays in taxes a figure that would swell to more than $29,000 once the household becomes eligible for Obamacare and welfare programs. Under the Gang of Eight bill, that wouldn't happen for more than a decade.
"At that point, the costs simply explode … and it becomes extraordinarily expensive," said Robert Rector, the lead author of the report.
"By and large, a person who doesn't have a high school education imposes enormous costs," said Rector. "It doesn't matter whether he's born in Kansas, he's a legal immigrant, or he's an illegal immigrant. They all look pretty much the same." "
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/heritage-foundation-report-immigration-090955
$13,000 yr x 40 years = $520,000
Again, these numbers were before Obamacare.
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/heritage-foundation-report-immigration-090955
It's Time for the DICE Act (Decolonization &Immigration Control Enforcement ) to be implemented now
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How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
Cute. And African Americans go back to Africa or Liberia?
Thank goodness I'm part Native.
Thank goodness I'm part Native.
I can prove my lineage to this land … not a play out of Democratic Senator Warren playbook lol do better.
Cut the check and I'll be out !!!
If you wanna play that game I'll bet you I can prove more native blood in my family than yours.
Just cause your great great uncle had his way with a native that does not count
You are big mad
Cut the check and I'll be out !!!
If you wanna play that game I'll bet you I can prove more native blood in my family than yours.
Just cause your great great uncle had his way with a native that does not count
You are big mad
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
But I'm lining up a work visa for this gal bc yo soy simpatico.
🇺🇸 Deport her too?
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Border Patrol's meme game is incredible pic.twitter.com/fLtAAfHJsP
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movielover said:
Cute. And African Americans go back to Africa or Liberia?
Thank goodness I'm part Native.
Can go back? How about the parts of you that aren't "Native" go back to where they can from. See how that works? I am assuming it is from some European country that was in @#&$ condition after WW I or WW II or one where your ancestors got chased out of.
One drop rule holds, eh?
Dr. Bill Wattenburg suggested this idea over 25 years ago. Great.
VISA: Tourists from certain countrie like Chad, Eritrea, Haiti, Myanmar, Yemen, Burundi, Djibouti, and Togo have a tendency to overstay their visas. To discourage this Trump is requiring visa applicants from those countries to post $10K security bonds to ensure they leave on… pic.twitter.com/QelCvWFBuD
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movielover said:
One drop rule holds, eh?
You are definitely not invited to the BBQ. Sometimes the one drop rule holds and sometimes it doesn't, depends on who you are talking to and what proof you have.
760,000
— C3 (@C_3C_3) August 4, 2025
That’s the number people needed in the US census for a state to gain a new House seat.
People not US citizens thanks to John Roberts.
We have AT LEAST 30 million illegals in America.
That’s roughly 40 House seats!
Now does the Dem panic over deportations make sense?
2018: Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates
"After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers' 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean."
+ add in 3 years
+ add in Biden's 10-21 million illegal immigrants
"After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers' 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean."
+ add in 3 years
+ add in Biden's 10-21 million illegal immigrants
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