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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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This is not America but it was America when the previous administration was paying to bring in millions of economic migrants? Nice definition of America you got there.

There's a very simple solution to this. Anyone resisting or interfering with ICE operations gets a one-way ticket to El Salvador. Stop resisting and comply. Your crowd is the one escalating this farce.

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Serious question: when does this reasoning stop justifying every last breach of civil rights the current administration is going to engage in? Surely at some point "but the Democrats" is no longer a valid response?

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When people like you admit that importing millions of economic migrants and giving them wads of cash was an insane, subversive policy that only a tiny minority of anti-American radicals wanted...
When you admit that all the lies about the border, how it couldn't be closed, how illegals weren't voting etc...
When you admit that facilitating the sex trafficking of tens of thousands of migrant children was seriously ****ed up and those who facilitated that crime or looked the other way deserve prosecution to the fullest extent of the law...
When you admit that there would be no need for aggressive ICE tactics if those who have no legal right to be here complied with the law and those who obstruct ICE got out of the way....
When you recognize all these policies were illegal and violated the rights and well-being of actual Americans, people our leaders swore to protect...

...then I might actually be hear what you have to say about these totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things unseemly tactics.

And we all know that this will never happen.

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Like, me personally? I need to admit all that?

I didn't realize I had such power.

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You have the power to acknowledge the fact that the Democrats purposely allowed foreigners to enter the country illegally by the millions while gaslighting American citizens with the help of the media into thinking otherwise.

Others will then take your comments about the civil rights and liberties of these illegal immigrants more seriously.

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Democrats did allow the border to get out of control during Biden's term, yes. I don't know about "purposely." Seems like it was more about negligence/inaction than anything purposeful.

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How so? We were told repeatedly by President Biden, Vice President Harris, Attorney General Garland, and Homeland Secretary Mayorkas that the border was secure.

Not only did illegals cross the border by foot, they were also flown in.

If this was negligence, why didn't anyone in the Democratic Party hold their own leadership accountable over the past four years?

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They knew it was a politically difficult issue for them, so they tried to act like everything was fine. Pretty common story.

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Exactly, the Democrats wanted to flood the country with illegals for political reasons but they couldn't state their intentions due to political reasons.

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No, they were getting pressure from the base to do everything "opposite of Trump" so they did that on immigration, and it wasn't working so well but they couldn't admit it.

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In 2021 as Biden opened the economy back up, there was a severe worker shortage. It was major news and a problem I was hearing about from all the small business owners and executives I know. Then immigration resolved that problem and America had the strongest recovery in the world.

You never hear about the worker shortage anymore because it is inconvenient for Trump and his corporate news caretakers.

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Did all these small business owners then hire illegal immigrants under the table? How did they advertise these jobs? How much did they pay them? Was it cash? What kind of jobs did they do?

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Who cares? There were job openings and hard working people wanting to come to America to fill them and make America great again.

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I call BS. Anecdote with no facts.

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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This is not America but it was America when the previous administration was paying to bring in millions of economic migrants? Nice definition of America you got there.

There's a very simple solution to this. Anyone resisting or interfering with ICE operations gets a one-way ticket to El Salvador. Stop resisting and comply. Your crowd is the one escalating this farce.

---

Serious question: when does this reasoning stop justifying every last breach of civil rights the current administration is going to engage in? Surely at some point "but the Democrats" is no longer a valid response?

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When people like you admit that importing millions of economic migrants and giving them wads of cash was an insane, subversive policy that only a tiny minority of anti-American radicals wanted...
When you admit that all the lies about the border, how it couldn't be closed, how illegals weren't voting etc...
When you admit that facilitating the sex trafficking of tens of thousands of migrant children was seriously ****ed up and those who facilitated that crime or looked the other way deserve prosecution to the fullest extent of the law...
When you admit that there would be no need for aggressive ICE tactics if those who have no legal right to be here complied with the law and those who obstruct ICE got out of the way....
When you recognize all these policies were illegal and violated the rights and well-being of actual Americans, people our leaders swore to protect...

...then I might actually be hear what you have to say about these totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things unseemly tactics.

And we all know that this will never happen.

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Like, me personally? I need to admit all that?

I didn't realize I had such power.

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You have the power to acknowledge the fact that the Democrats purposely allowed foreigners to enter the country illegally by the millions while gaslighting American citizens with the help of the media into thinking otherwise.

Others will then take your comments about the civil rights and liberties of these illegal immigrants more seriously.

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Democrats did allow the border to get out of control during Biden's term, yes. I don't know about "purposely." Seems like it was more about negligence/inaction than anything purposeful.

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How so? We were told repeatedly by President Biden, Vice President Harris, Attorney General Garland, and Homeland Secretary Mayorkas that the border was secure.

Not only did illegals cross the border by foot, they were also flown in.

If this was negligence, why didn't anyone in the Democratic Party hold their own leadership accountable over the past four years?

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They knew it was a politically difficult issue for them, so they tried to act like everything was fine. Pretty common story.

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Exactly, the Democrats wanted to flood the country with illegals for political reasons but they couldn't state their intentions due to political reasons.

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No, they were getting pressure from the base to do everything "opposite of Trump" so they did that on immigration, and it wasn't working so well but they couldn't admit it.

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In 2021 as Biden opened the economy back up, there was a severe worker shortage. It was major news and a problem I was hearing about from all the small business owners and executives I know. Then immigration resolved that problem and America had the strongest recovery in the world.

You never hear about the worker shortage anymore because it is inconvenient for Trump and his corporate news caretakers.

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Did all these small business owners then hire illegal immigrants under the table? How did they advertise these jobs? How much did they pay them? Was it cash? What kind of jobs did they do?

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Who cares? There were job openings and hard working people wanting to come to America to fill them and make America great again.

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I call BS. Anecdote with no facts.

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You fascists should try real news for a change. November 2021 had record quits of 4.5 million and December 2021 had record job openings of 11.4 million.

From 2021 to 2023 unauthorized immigrants had increased from 10.5 million to 14.0 million. By October 2024 The Economist was reporting that the US economy was the envy of the world.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2022/article/job-openings-and-quits-reach-record-highs-in-2021.htm

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2024-10-19

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In 2021 as Biden opened the economy back up, there was a severe worker shortage. It was major news and a problem I was hearing about from all the small business owners and executives I know. Then immigration resolved that problem and America had the strongest recovery in the world.

You never hear about the worker shortage anymore because it is inconvenient for Trump and his corporate news caretakers.

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dajo9 said:

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In 2021 as Biden opened the economy back up, there was a severe worker shortage. It was major news and a problem I was hearing about from all the small business owners and executives I know. Then immigration resolved that problem and America had the strongest recovery in the world.

You never hear about the worker shortage anymore because it is inconvenient for Trump and his corporate news caretakers.

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There never was and never will be a severe worker shortage in this country. What there was in actuality was a decent paying job shortage and people rightly refused to take bad jobs for slave labor wages, which is why dishonest people like you are always quoting job numbers and not poverty measures or consumer debt or bankruptcy filings. Biden's economy was a piece of **** and your ****ty party got voted out of office because of it.

Now, is there still a decent paying job shortage? Of course there is. Does the Trump administration actually care about creating a smaller labor force that would create upward pressure on wages? Of course not. They're just doing a standard brown people bad playbook. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't want slave labor options taken away from industry.

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Aunburdened said:

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dajo9 said:

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In 2021 as Biden opened the economy back up, there was a severe worker shortage. It was major news and a problem I was hearing about from all the small business owners and executives I know. Then immigration resolved that problem and America had the strongest recovery in the world.

You never hear about the worker shortage anymore because it is inconvenient for Trump and his corporate news caretakers.

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There never was and never will be a severe worker shortage in this country. What there was in actuality was a decent paying job shortage and people rightly refused to take bad jobs for slave labor wages, which is why dishonest people like you are always quoting job numbers and not poverty measures or consumer debt or bankruptcy filings. Biden's economy was a piece of **** and your ****ty party got voted out of office because of it.

Now, is there still a decent paying job shortage? Of course there is. Does the Trump administration actually care about creating a smaller labor force that would create upward pressure on wages? Of course not. They're just doing a standard brown people bad playbook. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't want slave labor options taken away from industry.

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