sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

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Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

---

Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

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Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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dajo9 said:

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools."

- Ernest Hemingway

— Path To Manliness (@PathToManliness) July 16, 2024

Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

---

He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

---

Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

---

Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

---

Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted.

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If Newsom was serious about the nomination, he wouldn't have signed that trans bill a couple days ago.

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That's why I said I don't think he thinks it's really in the cards, this time around. In terms of LBGTQ issues, he's playing the long game: Basically the first politician to ever come out in favor of gay marriage. Back then, many people outside of SF thought he was a weirdo, but now he just looks like he was prescient... ahead of his time. Now it's 2024 and you didn't even hear the GOP opposing gay marriage this past week. Of course, somebody had probably written it in there somewhere (maybe Vance's speech?), but then it got crossed out... and wisely so.

NEWSON 2028!
(or sooner)

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

---

But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

---

He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

---

Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

---

Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

---

Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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I think the way Biden has polled for the last year (running behind other Dems in key swing states), combined with his performance in public events recently (like the debate) indicates that there are probably better candidates than Biden.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

---

Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

---

Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

---

Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

---

You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

---

There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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I think the way Biden has polled for the last year (running behind other Dems in key swing states), combined with his performance in public events recently (like the debate) indicates that there are probably better candidates than Biden.

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That would be great information you are sharing if it were January 2024. See my comment to Big C. You guys are playing fantasy football. It's fantasy.

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

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Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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I think the way Biden has polled for the last year (running behind other Dems in key swing states), combined with his performance in public events recently (like the debate) indicates that there are probably better candidates than Biden.

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That would be great information you are sharing if it were January 2024. See my comment to Big C. You guys are playing fantasy football. It's fantasy.

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I disagree, but will not continue this line of argument as it is clear you are dug in.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

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Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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I think the way Biden has polled for the last year (running behind other Dems in key swing states), combined with his performance in public events recently (like the debate) indicates that there are probably better candidates than Biden.

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Not to mention, people are seeing the 2024 Biden and wondering about the 2027 Biden. These things only go in one direction. When I am 81, hopefully I will still be optimistic enough about the future to buy green bananas, but I doubt I could imagine myself taking on a mentally challenging four-year commitment. I mean, except for posting on the BI Off Topic forum.

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

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Exactly. If there was one, we would have figured it out before 2020. The big mistake was Bidens' pick for VP.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Big C said:

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According to some reports, Biden is angry with Obama and ("Crazy") Nancy Pelosi. Doesn't feel respected. Get a clue, Mr. President: You did a good job for four years, you will go down in history as a good President...but now you're 81 and frail. You don't automatically get handed another four years as the most powerful person on earth. It's a tough world. Put on your big boy Depends pants. You're a year late, but you can still pull 'em on.

Lady Macbeth Doctor Biden, you you're not doing anybody any favors... except Trump and his ilk.

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But he wasn't automatically handed another 4 years. He won the nomination fair and square.

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He didn't win the nomination, which has not occurred yet. He did get by far the most votes in the primaries. However, the primaries were then and this is now. Two possibilities about what happened

1. 12-18 mos. ago, when he should've announced he would stick to one term, maybe his decline was already noticeable, or maybe those around him were in a state of denial. At any rate, the primaries were held under false pretenses. Solid opposition was discouraged, because Biden was supposedly still competent and he was the sitting President (that is when he got the respect he deserved). The choice was an aging-but-still-competent Biden, the sitting President, versus two token nobodies. Of course he was going to win.

2. The other possibility is that he actually seemed pretty good 12-18 mos. ago when he decided to run again, but that most of his decline has come in the last 6-9 mos. And that is even more scary.


It's in the best interests of the country to have the two parties' BEST CANDIDATES face each other in the general election. I'm not going to speak for the Republicans; they can decide for themselves, but the Democrats need to nominate somebody that is better than 2024 Biden. That we already held the primaries doesn't matter to me, in this case.

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I think most reasonable people can look at that nomination contest and see that Biden did not win against realistic competition. As you note, that's pretty standard when there is a sitting President running for re-election. Since then voters have seen pretty clear evidence that Biden will not be able to competently complete another term, and polling (even among Democrats) has turned against him running for reelection.

There's no time to run a new primary, so it's reasonable for a political party to seek other options in this circumstance. There's no legal reason they can't.

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Agree. If anybody should feel disrespected here, it might be rank-and-file Dem primary voters... like me. So I don't appreciate GOP-types who are now saying that getting rid of Biden now is an attack on democracy. (Of course, they can say whatever they want, but... .)

If so motivated, the Democratic Party could put together some sort of mini-national-primary / popularity contest / whatever, if they put their minds to it. They'd have to think outside the box, this being uncharted waters. Two problems, though:

1) the Dems who think it should automatically be handed off to Kamala Harris... possible party split
2) any other potential candidate would have to risk being accused of not giving the VP her due out of their own shameless ambition (would be their words, not mine). So I think a guy like Newsom, who wants it at some point but knows he's walking a fine line in 2024... he'd have to be totally drafted

Tricky situation the Dems are in. Meanwhile Trump is quite beatable, with the right candidate in place. And that's why it pisses me off that Biden (supposedly) feels disrespected: This is about a lot more than how he feels.

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Kind of funny that you think you are in any way a part of the billionaire donor / Republican never-Trumper machinations.

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Current GOP narrative: Let's throw whatever we have against the wall and see what sticks. "Look, it's actually the Democrat Party that is staging an anti-democracy coup!"

Me: "Let's run the candidate -- whomever it may be -- that has the best chance to win in November!"

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You're just being a useful idiot

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I'd ask you to explain why me wanting to run the best candidate to beat Trump in November makes me an idiot, but instead, I'm just going te be happy that you said I was "useful" (to somebody... anybody).

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There is no candidate better than Biden.

Harris maybe, but with all the turmoil around it, history says no. But these billionaire donors, Dems on their payroll, and Republican never-Trumpers don't want Biden or Harris. They want Republican-lite. Which would:
1- destroy the Democratic base
2- never even get on all the ballots through these Republican states and judges.

But these billionaires and friends don't care if Dems get crushed. They'll be fine under a Trump Presidency. Even made richer. It's not their problem if their little gambit doesn't work out.

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I think the way Biden has polled for the last year (running behind other Dems in key swing states), combined with his performance in public events recently (like the debate) indicates that there are probably better candidates than Biden.

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That would be great information you are sharing if it were January 2024. See my comment to Big C. You guys are playing fantasy football. It's fantasy.

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I disagree, but will not continue this line of argument as it is clear you are dug in.

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The great position you are in is you've created this fantasy and if things go bad you'll say, "if they followed my fantasy we would have won. It's not my fault."

You'd be wrong.

Van Jones was on CNN at the RNC saying the energy in the room felt a lot like Obama back in 2008. The energy has now shifted to the Republicans and the only way the Democrats can get some of that back is if they make a big change, even if it's illegal and unconstitutional.

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Van Jones was on CNN at the RNC saying the energy in the room felt a lot like Obama back in 2008. The energy has now shifted to the Republicans and the only way the Democrats can get some of that back is if they make a big change, even if it's illegal and unconstitutional.

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Explain how whatever "change" you're referring to would be illegal and unconstitutional. And consider avoiding advice from David Sacks, who seems like he might know what he's talking about, based on his amassed fortune, but does not.

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the following is a reprint from cal's monster class back in the day:

visited this morning the recently opened nicklaus design group ferry point golf course just outside of nyc with panoramic views of the manhattan skyline

https://instagr.am/p/C7dS0GksHlA
arrive from my hotel by cab at the clubhouse around 7:30 am to stretch & warm up at the practice facility

upon arrival the head golf professional tells me that ferry point's developer donald trump heard that as a golf digest & golf magazine rankings panelist that i had an 8:10 tee time and would i like to play with the donald at 8:20 am instead?

so i say sure, no big deal, let's do this

so we make the introductions on the practice green & the 1st thing i notice is that trump has the weirdest color hair ever (kinda yellow orange) & that he has total man boobs along with an oversized obnoxious red cap

i walk & carry my lightweight leather mackzenie bag while the donald drives a golf cart literally to within 6 inches of every green...just as annoyingly, we then proceed to play thru every group on the golf course in front of us (why does he do this, why not just take the 1st tee time?)...it's funny to watch people's reactions as he dictates the playing thru, some golfers are understandably agitated while others want a selfie with him on their phones, he very clearly enjoys all the drama he's created

so he tells us while we wait for the short par 4 8th green to clear that he thinks ferry point is one of the greatest golf courses in the united states (it isn't, there are at least a dozen courses on long island & the hamptons that are significantly better) & that he's qualified to make that statement because of his extensive travels around the globe playing golf, that nobody knows golf architecture better than him & that includes actual golf architects

so in front of his 2 buddies & his cart caddie i tell the donald that actually i'm one of the 13 guys (and the youngest) to have played the world top 100 courses & stare him down...total silence, one of his buddies who is the chairman of macys starts to laugh & donald play punches my shoulder kinda hard, he's been pwned...whatever

dude is an interesting guy but playing golf with him is not really a celebration of the game but more like riding a roller coaster



you're fired, shocky#

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yeah shocky is probably the only california golden bear on planet earth that's been punched by donald trump

shocky is unbreakable (but why can't he learn how to do a handstand?)#

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what is the most critical question that the majority of americans wanted answered during tonite's presidential debate?

yeah they want joe biden (who is too old/senile for the white house, he should be living in one of the condos above biscayne bay where the cuban gentlemen sleep all day & dining at mila at nite, my fellow stinson beach high school grad/california governor gavin newsom would be a much better choice for the democratic party) to ask donald trump the following question:

President Biden: Donald, as a convicted felon and acknowledged elections denier with multiple documented assaults against females do you feel that your unprovoked punching Shocky is your worst crime thus far?

https://instagr.am/p/BK1PpkdD858
vote for andrew mcgraw for athletic director!!!!#

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