The Economy

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oski003
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DiabloWags said:

As opposed to some of the keyboard "warriors" here, I can actually post my real-time positions.

All they do is claim to be in stocks like Tesla and watch it go "up and down".

The fact that they can just sit there and watch it go down $200 and up $200 without buying a single share is quite telling.

But then again, there are always those keyboard "cheerleaders" out there that do nothing but TALK.




Nobody is better at posting something after it happens than you are. You haven't been very good at posting something before it happens. I think you are 0 for 3.
DiabloWags
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

As opposed to some of the keyboard "warriors" here, I can actually post my real-time positions.

All they do is claim to be in stocks like Tesla and watch it go "up and down".

The fact that they can just sit there and watch it go down $200 and up $200 without buying a single share is quite telling.

But then again, there are always those keyboard "cheerleaders" out there that do nothing but TALK.




Nobody is better at posting something after it happens than you are. You haven't been very good at posting something before it happens. I think you are 0 for 3.


Why would I bother to share my stock research with "strangers" on the internet?
Especially with people like you who don't do any trading?

And who admitted they bought zero shares of TSLA on the way down to $210 in March/April.

Last time I checked, the "stockmarket" thread here was buried several pages back and dying on the vine.

You can't be serious.
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

As opposed to some of the keyboard "warriors" here, I can actually post my real-time positions.

All they do is claim to be in stocks like Tesla and watch it go "up and down".

The fact that they can just sit there and watch it go down $200 and up $200 without buying a single share is quite telling.

But then again, there are always those keyboard "cheerleaders" out there that do nothing but TALK.




Nobody is better at posting something after it happens than you are. You haven't been very good at posting something before it happens. I think you are 0 for 3.


Why would I bother to share my stock research with "strangers" on the internet?
Especially with people like you who don't do any trading?

Last time I checked, the "stockmarket" thread here was buried several pages back and dying on the vine.

You can't be serious.



You certainly love to talk down to folks and boast about things on the internet, such as stock gains. Sharing stock "research" with "strangers" must be a bridge too far.
DiabloWags
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oski003 said:


You certainly love to talk down to folks and boast about things on the internet, such as stock gains. Sharing stock "research" with "strangers" must be a bridge too far.


You've repeatedly demonstrated that you're not interested in how the markets work.
You have no interest in LEARNING.

You're not interested in having a genuine conversation with someone that has been actively trading since my undergrad days at CAL in 1980.

In fact, you're not interested in having any genuine exchange here with anyone.
All you do is play silly childish parroting "games" in your replies.
You rarely ever create an original post of your own.

You make that clear every day here.


oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:


You certainly love to talk down to folks and boast about things on the internet, such as stock gains. Sharing stock "research" with "strangers" must be a bridge too far.


You've repeatedly demonstrated that you're not interested in how the markets work.
You have no interest in LEARNING.

You're not interested in having a genuine conversation with someone that has been actively trading since my undergrad days at CAL in 1980.

In fact, you're not interested in having any genuine exchange here with anyone.
All you do is play silly childish parroting "games" in your replies.
You rarely ever create an original post of your own.

You make that clear every day here.





Sir, yes, sir.
DiabloWags
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President Trump on Friday said a potential US court ruling denying his authority to impose a wide range of global tariffs could have devastating impacts on the US economy.

"If a Radical Left Court ruled against us at this late date, in an attempt to bring down or disturb the largest amount of money, wealth creation and influence the U.S.A. has ever seen, it would be impossible to ever recover, or pay back, these massive sums of money and honor," Trump said in a post on Truth Social. "It would be 1929 all over again, a GREAT DEPRESSION!"

LMFAO!
bear2034
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Quote:

It would be 1929 all over again, a GREAT DEPRESSION!"

All Wags has to do is short the market if he believes what he posts. But he can't. No balls or no brains?
movielover
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AntiochWags reply: "Oh, but Epstein..."
movielover
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DiabloWags
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THIS JUST IN . . .

CORE CPI INCREASED AT A 3.1% RATE OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

IT'S THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN 5 MONTHS.

CAN'T BLAME BIDEN FOR THIS.

TRUMP OWNS THIS.




bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

CAN'T GIVE BIDEN CREDIT FOR THIS.

TRUMP OWNS THIS.

bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

CAN'T GIVE BIDEN CREDIT FOR THIS.

TRUMP OWNS THIS.

bear2034
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DiabloWags said:


CAN'T GIVE BIDEN CREDIT FOR THIS.

TRUMP OWNS THIS.

DiabloWags
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Yes, the economy is now WEAKENING thanks to Tariff Man.

Im glad that you finally figured that out.
Too bad you dont own any stocks.


movielover
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More winning.

Popular Mechanics: A Modern-Day Gold Rush Is Unfolding in Wyoming. America's Most Fearsome Weapons Depend On It.

The U.S. is opening its first new rare earths mine in 70 years and the stakes couldn't be higher.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a65627101/wyoming-rare-earth-mine-discovery/
Eastern Oregon Bear
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movielover said:

More winning.

Popular Mechanics: A Modern-Day Gold Rush Is Unfolding in Wyoming. America's Most Fearsome Weapons Depend On It.

The U.S. is opening its first new rare earths mine in 70 years and the stakes couldn't be higher.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a65627101/wyoming-rare-earth-mine-discovery/

Always turn to Popular Mechanics for breaking business news!
DiabloWags
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

More winning.

Popular Mechanics: A Modern-Day Gold Rush Is Unfolding in Wyoming. America's Most Fearsome Weapons Depend On It.

The U.S. is opening its first new rare earths mine in 70 years and the stakes couldn't be higher.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a65627101/wyoming-rare-earth-mine-discovery/

Always turn to Popular Mechanics for breaking business news!


Lmfao!
movielover
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Ah, ah, but it's impossible to bring back manufacturing...
s/



More GE and auto plants creating more demand for AmeriCan-made steel and aluminum (major new plant underway).

calpoly
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

More winning.

Popular Mechanics: A Modern-Day Gold Rush Is Unfolding in Wyoming. America's Most Fearsome Weapons Depend On It.

The U.S. is opening its first new rare earths mine in 70 years and the stakes couldn't be higher.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a65627101/wyoming-rare-earth-mine-discovery/

Always turn to Popular Mechanics for breaking business news!

Just like asking a lawyer for medical advice.
Cal88
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That discovery has been confirmed by many sources.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2025/07/11/first-u-s-rare-earth-mine-in-70-years-opens-in-wyoming/
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

More winning.

The U.S. is opening its first new rare earths mine in 70 years and the stakes couldn't be higher.




Once again, you have NO IDEA what youre talking about.

This was the FIRST rare earth's mine and still is to this day.
Mountain Pass in California's Mojave Desert.

Chevron sold it to Molycorp back in 2008.
Molycorp filed for BK back in 2015.
Emerged out of BK in 2017.

Mountain Pass is now owned by MP Materials and run by two former hedge-fund guys.
James Litinsky and Michael Rosenthal.







The U.S.'s only rare-earth mine files for bankruptcy - High Country News

Molycorp shuts down Mountain Pass rare earth plant - MINING.COM

DOD commits billions to US rare earths - Metal Tech News

Mountain Pass Rare Earth Mine - Wikipedia


movielover
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Lotta Karens in the house.
DiabloWags
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Lotta people that have NO CLUE what they're talking about in the house.
All Trumpanzees.

Shocker.

DiabloWags
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movielover said:

Ah, ah, but it's impossible to bring back manufacturing...



For context, that $3 Billion investment is over the next FIVE YEARS.
You're cheerleading always FAILS to provide context.


movielover
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movielover said:

Ah, ah, but it's impossible to bring back manufacturing...



More GE and auto plants creating more demand for AmeriCan-made steel and aluminum (major new plant underway).




CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter

Site Selection: Oklahoma: 3 Weeks, 3,000 Jobs

"Site Selection Magazine

Oklahoma: 3 Weeks, 3,000 Jobs

by Mark Arend

"Emirates Global Aluminium will invest $4 billion in a manufacturing operation at Tulsa Port of Inola, where Sofidel (pictured) located in 2000.

"The first new aluminum production plant in the U.S. in more than four decades will begin taking shape near Tulsa in late 2026. In May, Emirates Global Aluminium (EGA), based in the UAE, announced a $4 billion project for production of primary aluminum (made from new aluminum) at a site in the industrial park at Tulsa Port of Inola. When operational, the facility will employ about 1,000 workers.

That project is one of several that were announced during a three-week period this past spring that when combined will create nearly 3,000 new jobs. Another is from CBC Global Ammunition, which is investing $300 million for a new facility at the MidAmerica Industrial Park in Pryor, east of Tulsa, that will create 350 jobs.

"Less Reliance on Foreign Aluminum

"The EGA plant is expected to have a production capacity of 600,000 tons of primary aluminum per year, according to the company, nearly doubling the United States' production of an essential material for modern life and for national security. Some 85% of the aluminum needs of American industries, from automotive to aviation and construction, are currently met by imports."

https://siteselection.com/oklahoma-3-weeks-3000-jobs/

#winning
DiabloWags
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movielover said:


CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter



The context is that this had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.

Oklahoma's Governor Kevin Stitt provided $275 million in incentives from the State plus another $735 million in tax exemptions and offsets.

The state is loaning the Company more than HALF A BILLION dollars in tax increment financing.

For some reason, you FAILED to offer this context.

Gov. Stitt announces $4 billion aluminum smelter coming to Oklahoma | KGOU - Oklahoma's NPR Source
DiabloWags
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CORE PPI SURGES TO A 3 YEAR HIGH

BIDEN'S FAULT?

Cal88
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DiabloWags said:

movielover said:


CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter



The context is that this had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.

Oklahoma's Governor Kevin Stitt provided $275 million in incentives from the State plus another $735 million in tax exemptions and offsets.

The state is loaning the Company more than HALF A BILLION dollars in tax increment financing.

For some reason, you FAILED to offer this context.

Gov. Stitt announces $4 billion aluminum smelter coming to Oklahoma | KGOU - Oklahoma's NPR Source


High tariffs on aluminum imports did not factor in?
oski003
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Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:


CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter



The context is that this had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.

Oklahoma's Governor Kevin Stitt provided $275 million in incentives from the State plus another $735 million in tax exemptions and offsets.

The state is loaning the Company more than HALF A BILLION dollars in tax increment financing.

For some reason, you FAILED to offer this context.

Gov. Stitt announces $4 billion aluminum smelter coming to Oklahoma | KGOU - Oklahoma's NPR Source


High tariffs on aluminum imports did not factor in?


+1000
DiabloWags
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Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:


CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter



The context is that this had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.

Oklahoma's Governor Kevin Stitt provided $275 million in incentives from the State plus another $735 million in tax exemptions and offsets.

The state is loaning the Company more than HALF A BILLION dollars in tax increment financing.

For some reason, you FAILED to offer this context.

Gov. Stitt announces $4 billion aluminum smelter coming to Oklahoma | KGOU - Oklahoma's NPR Source


High tariffs on aluminum imports did not factor in?


Of course.

But look who is (again) footing the bill.
In this case, it was the Oklahoma state taxpayer.


DiabloWags
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Trump's Copper Tariff of 50% is also yet another stupid tariff.

We mine plenty of copper in this country.
We just don't have the smelting/refining capacity like China has.

A 50% tariff does nothing to facilitate refining capacity.
Never mind the fact that it takes 29 years for an actual copper mine to come "online" in the U.S.
A smelter will take 5 years.

The U.S. needs a much better, faster, efficient, permitting policy.
Not a 50% copper tariff.

oski003
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DiabloWags said:

Trump's Copper Tariff of 50% is also yet another stupid tariff.

We mine plenty of copper in this country.

-OK

We just don't have the smelting/refining capacity like China has.

-OK

A 50% tariff does nothing to facilitate refining capacity.
Never mind the fact that it takes 29 years for an actual copper mine to come "online" in the U.S.

-COMMENT ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT CONSIDERING YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOVE THAT

A smelter will take 5 years.
The U.S. needs a much better, faster, efficient, permitting policy.

-SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. WITH MORE EFFICIENCY, WE SHOULD GET SOME SMELTING ONLINE ASAP. LETS NOT RELY SO MUCH ON OUR ADVERSARY CHINA. IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GETTING MORE ALUMINUM SMELTING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU RESPONDED TO WITH YOUR TDS NONSENSE.

Not a 50% copper tariff

-IF IT WERE LOWER, YOU'D COMPLAIN THE TARIFF IS TOO LOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT NEARLY EVERYTHING THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES.




See responses above in caps.
Cal88
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DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:


CONTEXT

The Bond Buyer: Oklahoma incentives land a $4 billion aluminum smelter



The context is that this had NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP.

Oklahoma's Governor Kevin Stitt provided $275 million in incentives from the State plus another $735 million in tax exemptions and offsets.

The state is loaning the Company more than HALF A BILLION dollars in tax increment financing.

For some reason, you FAILED to offer this context.

Gov. Stitt announces $4 billion aluminum smelter coming to Oklahoma | KGOU - Oklahoma's NPR Source


High tariffs on aluminum imports did not factor in?


Of course.

But look who is (again) footing the bill.
In this case, it was the Oklahoma state taxpayer.


It does indeed look like the project is heavily subsidized, to the tune of hundreds of thousands per job created. We'd have to look at the whole pro forma to find out how much exactly.

Aluminum smeltering is very energy intensive, I would guess a lot of these subsidies are in the form of discounts on electricity. Oklahoma has a lot of shale gas and excess energy, but his might be a problem in the next decade if Permian shale gas production diminishes.
Cal88
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DiabloWags said:

Trump's Copper Tariff of 50% is also yet another stupid tariff.

We mine plenty of copper in this country.
We just don't have the smelting/refining capacity like China has.

A 50% tariff does nothing to facilitate refining capacity.
Never mind the fact that it takes 29 years for an actual copper mine to come "online" in the U.S.
A smelter will take 5 years.

The U.S. needs a much better, faster, efficient, permitting policy.
Not a 50% copper tariff.


I agree about the tariff policy not being optimal as far as promoting American industry without disrupting the economy. Many tariffs don't make sense, for example those on coffee, as the US is a marginal producer (Kona and PR together are less than 2% of domestic consumption). Tariff on coffee boils down to a regressive sales tax on a staple product.
DiabloWags
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:



Not a 50% copper tariff

-IF IT WERE LOWER, YOU'D COMPLAIN THE TARIFF IS TOO LOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT NEARLY EVERYTHING THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES.




See responses above in caps.


Wrong.
I'm afraid you're conflating again.

The 15% tariff on the EU for automobiles is indeed too low to move the needle.
Every single U.S. Auto CEO is on the record stating that.
I've maintained the same here in my posts.

The 50% tariff on Copper has nothing to do with increasing copper production.
It won't move the needle since it takes 29 years for a copper mine to come online.

A better permitting process would move the needle.
For example, it takes a copper refiner 5 years to come online.

PS. This Administration is full of "jack-asses" like Peter Navarro who don't have a clue.
I guess you and the other Trump supporters here still haven't figured that out yet.

Or can you tell me why we have a 39% tariff on Switzerland when they have no industrial tariffs on the U.S.
Zero. Nadda.

That PPI number today was just the beginning.
Who will Trump blame this on next?
Biden still?


 
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