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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:17p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:
We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.

The gun toting people didn't bring their guns to the Capitol for the insurrection, superstar.


I don't know what your point is, because that entire day was one huge crime. Organized + Led by the biggest criminal of all.

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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:22p, 9/12/25
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There's nothing to shoot and silence Gavin over because he doesn't say anything.


He's the leader of the resistance- the biggest midget in the clown car
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In reply to concordtom • 6:22p, 9/12/25
concordtom said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:
We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.

The gun toting people didn't bring their guns to the Capitol for the insurrection, superstar.

I don't know what your point is, because that entire day was one huge crime. Organized + Led by the biggest criminal of all.

My point is you have nothing as a basis for your argument that today's right is proportionately violent as the left.
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In reply to concordtom • 6:26p, 9/12/25
I would take the word of these four policemen over the testimony of a 1000 witnesses Trump would use to support his narrative of what occurred on January 6 (and justify his pardons of that rabble):



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In reply to bearister • 6:28p, 9/12/25
bearister said:
I would take the word of these four policemen over the testimony of a 1000 witnesses Trump would use to support his narrative of what occurred on January 6 (and justify his pardons of that rabble):

Of course you wouldn't. They were "coached".

Joe Biden's autopen preemptively pardoned the entire J6 Select Committee.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:32p, 9/12/25
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My point is you have nothing as a basis for your argument that today's right is proportionately violent as the left.

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6:37p, 9/12/25
"Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period."
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

Right-Wing Extremist Terrorism in the United States | ADL https://www.adl.org/resources/report/right-wing-extremist-terrorism-united-states


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In reply to Big C • 6:37p, 9/12/25
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Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?


Back in those days people didn't spend 20 hours a week watching violent tv shows and movies, nor mentally rehearsing their own murder activity with video games for 30 hours a week.

Had such tech been available, then the answer would be Yes.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:38p, 9/12/25
Pick someone. Give us names. Is there anyone on the left that the right can't debate, with no counterarguments, and that the only option left is to silence?
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:44p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:

"College was enough to radicalize his son."



Invented malarkey posted by Pac10Bear, who is very upset.
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In reply to sycasey • 6:45p, 9/12/25
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One thing I find very unlikely is that a single semester at Utah State University was enough to radicalize an otherwise normal kid.


Intelligence posted by sycasey in response to malarkey.
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6:45p, 9/12/25
There's no one celebrating his assassination!

The assassin was a right winger!

The protests are mostly peaceful!

January 6!

Same delusional mindset.
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6:48p, 9/12/25
Wow, this was posted 2 days ago.













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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:48p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
bearister said:
Can you provide a list of the American Far Left influencers?

Most in the corporate media, entertainment industry, university professors, and school teachers?

You calling people in money-making industries "far left" tells me that you don't even know what "far left" is.

As I used to explain to my good friend helltopay1, "woke left" is different from "far left".

But you're in good company! Apparently the President doesn't know this either.

As for university professors, sure, maybe some, but the three I know personally are engineering profs at Cal and definitely not "far left".

As for school teachers, having been one myself for 20 years, I can say there are some, but teachers run the gamut, even to conservative. Teachers are usually a representative sampling of their communities (except they are college educated and usually not interested in being highly compensated). Far Left? Sometimes but usually not.
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In reply to Big C • 6:48p, 9/12/25
Big C said:
socaltownie said:
Big C said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.





Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.


I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.


I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.







Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.


Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?

The Russian Revolution would love to have a word.

Marx, of course, lived pre-Russian Revolution, but I get your point, with the competing ideological factions. Could be China in the '60s, too.

Note for the future though: my puerile humor resists higher analysis.

You're such a nice guy.
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In reply to concordtom • 6:53p, 9/12/25
concordtom said:
Big C said:
socaltownie said:
Big C said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.





Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.


I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.


I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.







Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.


Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?

The Russian Revolution would love to have a word.

Marx, of course, lived pre-Russian Revolution, but I get your point, with the competing ideological factions. Could be China in the '60s, too.

Note for the future though: my puerile humor resists higher analysis.

You're such a nice guy.

Piss off, concordtom.
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6:54p, 9/12/25
Kidding! ^
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6:56p, 9/12/25
5 days to go until my prediction comes to fruition. Today's news will only accelerate it.

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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 6:57p, 9/12/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearlySane88 said:
Uh… I wasn't replying to that at all. Haven't made a single mention about the event you're connecting my comment to
When you reply to concordtom and don't quote him, I have to guess what comment of concordtom's you're replying to. I took it to be the one just before yours. Apparently that wasn't what you were replying to.


If it helps, I knew what b-sane88 was replying to me about
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:02p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:
We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.

The gun toting people didn't bring their guns to the Capitol for the insurrection, superstar.

I don't know what your point is, because that entire day was one huge crime. Organized + Led by the biggest criminal of all.

My point is you have nothing as a basis for your argument that today's right is proportionately violent as the left.


I think that's an absurd assertion, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I don't want to spend too much time debating a person who tosses out so much absurdity.
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7:04p, 9/12/25

A young moderate infected by the woke mind virus?
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In reply to concordtom • 7:06p, 9/12/25
concordtom said:

I think that's an absurd assertion, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I don't want to spend too much time debating a person who tosses out so much absurdity.

ANTIFA


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In reply to bearister • 7:08p, 9/12/25
bearister said:
I would take the word of these four policemen over the testimony of a 1000 witnesses Trump would use to support his narrative of what occurred on January 6 (and justify his pardons of that rabble):





I would also simply trust my eyes.
Because it was broadcast live for us all to see.

Trump tries to convince us to not believe our own eyes. Many foolishly fall for it.

I feel bad for those who do, those who post here in support of Trump. They show how feeble minded they are with every post.

Pity the fools.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:11p, 9/12/25
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There's no one celebrating his assassination!

The assassin was a right winger!

The protests are mostly peaceful!

January 6!

Same delusional mindset.


Calm down
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In reply to Big C • 7:13p, 9/12/25
Big C said:
concordtom said:
Big C said:
socaltownie said:
Big C said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.





Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.


I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.


I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.







Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.


Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?

The Russian Revolution would love to have a word.

Marx, of course, lived pre-Russian Revolution, but I get your point, with the competing ideological factions. Could be China in the '60s, too.

Note for the future though: my puerile humor resists higher analysis.

You're such a nice guy.

Piss off, concordtom.


Suck mine!

Then I'll piss!
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In reply to Big C • 7:14p, 9/12/25
Big C said:
Kidding! ^


Oh, geez!

I know, Big C.
I know!
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In reply to okaydo • 7:24p, 9/12/25
okaydo said:
5 days to go until my prediction comes to fruition. Today's news will only accelerate it.



Lol.
I appreciate this post.


Now, this is a good place to insert this….

Erica Kirk obviously gets a pass. She can kinda say whatever the hell she wants at this point and I'm gonna let it go. That said, she is full of vengeance and essentially threatened holy damnation rain down on us non-Kirk fans.

So, on the one hand, I'm like "Daaaaaammmnnn!"
On the other hand, I'm thinking "Okaydo's prediction isn't going to come true!!"




8 minutes in, "battle cry".
10 minutes in, "never surrender".

Thems fightin words.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:27p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:

I think that's an absurd assertion, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I don't want to spend too much time debating a person who tosses out so much absurdity.

ANTIFA




Yo, I don't think Antifa is a movement.
It's only a myth in the minds of MAGA stooges.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:30p, 9/12/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:

I think that's an absurd assertion, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I don't want to spend too much time debating a person who tosses out so much absurdity.

ANTIFA





Lol. Your all imaginations are wild.
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wifeisafurd said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
BearGoggles said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.





Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.


I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.


I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.







Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

this post is not aging well.

Yeah, I followed up with something that may contradict that. Or maybe not.

But yes, no one can be certain of his motives at this point. It may well be that he was just generally online radicalized without a coherent ideology, like the Trump shooter.
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In reply to okaydo • 10:32p, 9/12/25
okaydo said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
concordtom said:

I think that's an absurd assertion, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.
I don't want to spend too much time debating a person who tosses out so much absurdity.

ANTIFA





Lol. Your all imaginations are wild.

Nah, man, It's Basil the Great. The Basil the Great. How can you dispute what he says? He's GREAT!
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In reply to concordtom • 10:55p, 9/12/25
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Big C said:
Kidding! ^


Oh, geez!

I know, Big C.
I know!

Gotcha, ct
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11:37p, 9/12/25
The modern Democrat party.

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