Anarchistbear said:
Conspiracy theories are whack from Groyper, to Israelis to false flag to Armed Queers. The kid killed someone with grandpa's gun and left it in the woods.
DiabloWags said:MinotStateBeav said:movielover said:
They'll get the truth, but will we?
Yeah I don't think there's anybody politically connected to this unless we're talking about when they go after the funding...
Or.... if they actually look into WHY his security detail was so incredibly negligent.
A totally WIDE-OPEN event with no checkpoint, no bags being checked, no one using a metal detector.
And not a single "spotter" up on a roof top.
Do you really believe that these guys were really THIS DUMB?
Or paid off?
Big C said:movielover said:socaltownie said:BearGoggles said:socaltownie said:
Yes. You have the freedom to be an *******. We have the freedim to call you one. What many oppose is that you wany us bite our tongue rather than call you out. I refuse.
It is not being an ******* or "transphobic" to have the science based opinion that there are only two sexes, to think trans women (i.e., biological males) should not participate in women's sports or invade women's spaces, and/or to think (again based on substantial science) that it is harmful to medically or surgically transition teenagers. These are mainstream (I believe majority) views where people are still vilified and, more importantly, trans people are told that they are mistreated simply because people hold these views.
Yet we've all heard the rhetoric that these reasonable beliefs are "fascist" and "killing trans people" which is just absurd rhetoric that creates a permission structure for violence. And as a result, there is a strong presence of trans people in antifa and have been recent mass shootings by trans people (or motivated by this extreme trans ideology).
That is a lot of words saying that you're not an ******* or mistreating someone for holding mainstream and quite reasonable beliefs.
OK. Lets unpack this a bit.
First, there are (mostly) two sexes but there are Many different ways that GENDER is expressed.
A way to think about this is realize that the US has a fairly wide range of accepted gender roles for those of XX sex (from bombshell hyper-feminity to tom boy rough it with the guys. Those with XX chromosomes have a fairly narrow range of what is consider acceptable male gender roles. For example, men who wanted to paint their finger nails would be considered at odds with majority gender roles - unless black and in a goth band ;-) You also would hopefully recognize that this is not historically (or culturally) fixed. Men used to wear wigs loved lace...
And yes, I am using that rather than Male and Female sexed because such terms have historical and cultural constest. Remember, it wasn''t very long ago (within our lifetimes if you are a 60 year old far like myself) where "Girls" were not considered lady like if they rode a bike with a straight cross bar rather than one that could accomodate a skirt.and where called "tom boys" if they did.
We've had gay, straight, bears (small b), bisexuals, transvestites and others for decades. A few items really pushed the 'Overton window' and received a lot of backlash.
1. Sex-change surgeries for confused children, allegedly exploded during Covid (social contagion?) and funded under Obamacare.
2. An explosion in drag queen social hours for children in schools, libraries, etc.
3. Trying to ramrod new self-identified pronouns including nonsensical they / them plural pronouns to an individual.
Detransitioner Chloe Cole is a perfect example. Mixed feelings as adolescence hit, liked being a jock, was told online she was trans, gained an immediate following and fanbase. Her parents were told if they didn't go along w her transition, she might commit suicide (a lie?). One counselor had misgivings, and was pulled off her case. Dr. Jordan Peterson says her feelings and insecurities were well within normal teenage angst. She had a double mastectomy.
She was never told the medical consequences, the affects of the powerful hormone blockers she would take, possible infertility, etc. At 15 or 16 she took a psychology class, and realized she wanted a family. She is now suing Kaiser for $75 million (?). Her online 'friends' disappeared when she de-transitioned.
It appears that CC had unqualified and rushed therapeutic care. Why the rush? Dr. Peterson claims conditions like bulimia can cluster w teenagers, and the same might happen with the new 'trans movement'. The apparent explosion of trans children in Hollywood would appear to confirm external factors having a huge influence.
Transgendered academic Dr. Camille Paglia has said that our social upheaval about sexuality, gender roles, etc., denote a civilization in decline, like ancient Rome. She grappled with gender dysphoria since her youth.
"Paglia doesn't mince words when it comes to this point. "Sex change is literally impossible," she says. "[E]very cell of our bodies, except for the blood, remains coded with our birth gender for life." She suggests that those who pursue gender reassignment are acting out in rebellion, instead of living out how they were born, as many insist is the case."
Her views are controversial to some, and some on the intolerant Left label her transphobic.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2019/09/paglia-criticizing-transgenderism-is-not-transphobic/
Drag Queen hour has a boatload of problems, not the least being that 50% or more of our students are below-grade level with basic math and reading comprehension.
1. I raised this in another post: How much surgical gender-affirming care for minors is really going on? My sense is that it is a lot rarer than you seem to think it is. As it should be.
2. Regarding Drag Queen Story Hour, this is yet another topic where valued poster movielover and I agree. It seems like drag queens were barely even a thing anymore,, until that library story hour event was publicized. Now, it seems like the "PC" left is going out of their way to love drag queens, seemingly to flaunt how "progressive" they are. (SF Chron entertainment section would be a good example of this). I just don't see that as being appropriate for kids and, as far as reporting on them for adults, I really doubt if many people at all give a crap. Any political party that wants to lose elections, just keep talking about how wonderful drag queens are! To any drag queens out there, have a wonderful life, I have no problem with you, but I'm just not interested in your drag queen life or performances.
going4roses said:
White on white crime ?
going4roses said:
Show me proof or it didn't happen… only right wingers roll like this
movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
going4roses said:
Notice the conversation isn't about ___ it's about everything else as usual
BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
When he has told minor women how they should live their lives
https://www.aol.com/charlie-kirk-tells-14-old-152343673.html
BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
When he has told minor women how they should live their lives
https://www.aol.com/charlie-kirk-tells-14-old-152343673.html
This is quite the stretch, even for you buddy
socaltownie said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
Didn't find anything but I did find this
https://www.threads.com/@dream.foramerica/post/C5Rm1rHSv27/media
BTW - he is an IDIOT!! I can tell you from blissful and really happy experience that dating women in their 30s is FAR superior than in their 20s. I will not go into graphic details but lets just say one group is often in their starfish phase and the others have the right amount of experience and joy to be oh so much fun. Plus they have stuff to talk about.
Yeah - sometimes I channel my inner
Shockey ;-)
dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
When he has told minor women how they should live their lives
https://www.aol.com/charlie-kirk-tells-14-old-152343673.html
This is quite the stretch, even for you buddy
It's less of a stretch than parents bringing their children into the presence of cross dressers is grooming.
socaltownie said:Big C said:movielover said:socaltownie said:BearGoggles said:socaltownie said:
Yes. You have the freedom to be an *******. We have the freedim to call you one. What many oppose is that you wany us bite our tongue rather than call you out. I refuse.
It is not being an ******* or "transphobic" to have the science based opinion that there are only two sexes, to think trans women (i.e., biological males) should not participate in women's sports or invade women's spaces, and/or to think (again based on substantial science) that it is harmful to medically or surgically transition teenagers. These are mainstream (I believe majority) views where people are still vilified and, more importantly, trans people are told that they are mistreated simply because people hold these views.
Yet we've all heard the rhetoric that these reasonable beliefs are "fascist" and "killing trans people" which is just absurd rhetoric that creates a permission structure for violence. And as a result, there is a strong presence of trans people in antifa and have been recent mass shootings by trans people (or motivated by this extreme trans ideology).
That is a lot of words saying that you're not an ******* or mistreating someone for holding mainstream and quite reasonable beliefs.
OK. Lets unpack this a bit.
First, there are (mostly) two sexes but there are Many different ways that GENDER is expressed.
A way to think about this is realize that the US has a fairly wide range of accepted gender roles for those of XX sex (from bombshell hyper-feminity to tom boy rough it with the guys. Those with XX chromosomes have a fairly narrow range of what is consider acceptable male gender roles. For example, men who wanted to paint their finger nails would be considered at odds with majority gender roles - unless black and in a goth band ;-) You also would hopefully recognize that this is not historically (or culturally) fixed. Men used to wear wigs loved lace...
And yes, I am using that rather than Male and Female sexed because such terms have historical and cultural constest. Remember, it wasn''t very long ago (within our lifetimes if you are a 60 year old far like myself) where "Girls" were not considered lady like if they rode a bike with a straight cross bar rather than one that could accomodate a skirt.and where called "tom boys" if they did.
We've had gay, straight, bears (small b), bisexuals, transvestites and others for decades. A few items really pushed the 'Overton window' and received a lot of backlash.
1. Sex-change surgeries for confused children, allegedly exploded during Covid (social contagion?) and funded under Obamacare.
2. An explosion in drag queen social hours for children in schools, libraries, etc.
3. Trying to ramrod new self-identified pronouns including nonsensical they / them plural pronouns to an individual.
Detransitioner Chloe Cole is a perfect example. Mixed feelings as adolescence hit, liked being a jock, was told online she was trans, gained an immediate following and fanbase. Her parents were told if they didn't go along w her transition, she might commit suicide (a lie?). One counselor had misgivings, and was pulled off her case. Dr. Jordan Peterson says her feelings and insecurities were well within normal teenage angst. She had a double mastectomy.
She was never told the medical consequences, the affects of the powerful hormone blockers she would take, possible infertility, etc. At 15 or 16 she took a psychology class, and realized she wanted a family. She is now suing Kaiser for $75 million (?). Her online 'friends' disappeared when she de-transitioned.
It appears that CC had unqualified and rushed therapeutic care. Why the rush? Dr. Peterson claims conditions like bulimia can cluster w teenagers, and the same might happen with the new 'trans movement'. The apparent explosion of trans children in Hollywood would appear to confirm external factors having a huge influence.
Transgendered academic Dr. Camille Paglia has said that our social upheaval about sexuality, gender roles, etc., denote a civilization in decline, like ancient Rome. She grappled with gender dysphoria since her youth.
"Paglia doesn't mince words when it comes to this point. "Sex change is literally impossible," she says. "[E]very cell of our bodies, except for the blood, remains coded with our birth gender for life." She suggests that those who pursue gender reassignment are acting out in rebellion, instead of living out how they were born, as many insist is the case."
Her views are controversial to some, and some on the intolerant Left label her transphobic.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2019/09/paglia-criticizing-transgenderism-is-not-transphobic/
Drag Queen hour has a boatload of problems, not the least being that 50% or more of our students are below-grade level with basic math and reading comprehension.
1. I raised this in another post: How much surgical gender-affirming care for minors is really going on? My sense is that it is a lot rarer than you seem to think it is. As it should be.
2. Regarding Drag Queen Story Hour, this is yet another topic where valued poster movielover and I agree. It seems like drag queens were barely even a thing anymore,, until that library story hour event was publicized. Now, it seems like the "PC" left is going out of their way to love drag queens, seemingly to flaunt how "progressive" they are. (SF Chron entertainment section would be a good example of this). I just don't see that as being appropriate for kids and, as far as reporting on them for adults, I really doubt if many people at all give a crap. Any political party that wants to lose elections, just keep talking about how wonderful drag queens are! To any drag queens out there, have a wonderful life, I have no problem with you, but I'm just not interested in your drag queen life or performances.
Look I have never been to a drag queen show. Have no interest in a drag queen show and really could care less.
But I do want to know why is a person with XX chromosomes wanting to wear a dress or make up so threatening? These story hours are absolutely NOT sexual. There is no flirting going on. Frankly Moms in Yoga pants is a hell of a lot more sexualized.
Rather, queer story hour questions gender norms. And I am not sure that is some bad. We know that we are in a crisis right now in a whole bunch of ways in the current state of gender norms. People have rightly written that the American male is in crisis in figuring out how to be a man in this post-industrial age where women out earn and are out educating them. Women are trapped with gender norms and contradictions that I could never articulate better than was done 2 years ago. Is there really anything so bad, so threatening so worrisome as a XX chromoson person who feels proud and comfortable enough in THEIR skin as to wear a smashing day dress perfectly matching their shoes and lip gloss. You go girl!
BTW - before these strange times (and since I am an old fart) I remember that Milton Berle dressed as a woman and so did Corporal Klinger. Some like it hot was a movie with a PG rating and RuPaul is easily found on Youtube.
BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
When he has told minor women how they should live their lives
https://www.aol.com/charlie-kirk-tells-14-old-152343673.html
This is quite the stretch, even for you buddy
It's less of a stretch than parents bringing their children into the presence of cross dressers is grooming.
Uh no it's not at all lol but I never made that claim so not sure what one has to do with the other.
As of this afternoon, in the past 6 days, TPUSA has received 54,000+ requests from high school and college students nationwide to start a chapter or get involved with an existing chapter.
— Turning Point USA (@TPUSA) September 16, 2025
This is just the beginning. @tpusastudents
Snowflake said:
Ok you're going on the block list
dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:BearlySane88 said:dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
When did Charlie groom underage girls??
When he has told minor women how they should live their lives
https://www.aol.com/charlie-kirk-tells-14-old-152343673.html
This is quite the stretch, even for you buddy
It's less of a stretch than parents bringing their children into the presence of cross dressers is grooming.
Uh no it's not at all lol but I never made that claim so not sure what one has to do with the other.
It is. One has parental consent and the other does not. I let the right define words like groomer and then I go with their definitions.
going4roses said:
White on white crime ?
going4roses said:
White on white crime ?
The chat dialogue between Tyler and his trans boyfriends reads like it is something a 50+ year old would write if he were trying to pretend to be a 22 year old.
— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) September 16, 2025
sycasey said:
A cross-dresser reading a children's book to kids is not "grooming" in any sense of the word. This is moral panic bull***t.
Big C said:sycasey said:
A cross-dresser reading a children's book to kids is not "grooming" in any sense of the word. This is moral panic bull***t.
Agree that it's not "grooming", but I still wouldn't take my kids to it. Kids need things simple. As they get older, they can learn about and navigate through the "gray areas".
I don't totally disagree with what socaltownie wrote above, replying to my post: maybe not so bad if kids learn about some gender-bending stuff (paraphrase). Yeah, true maybe, but I'm still not bringing my kids to it. I'm just not.
MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:socaltownie said:MinotStateBeav said:
Sorry that was a puff piece cover by Klippenstein..."OH see these things on these bullets, they actually mean this other thing" while completely ignoring Bella Ciao and the 3 arrows down. We're not stupid. Most killers have other issues.
He also goes onto say "Nobody was celebrating"...total absolute bollucks. They were excitedly warning people the day before that something was going to happen.
Where is your proof the day before? I haven't seen ANY Of that reporting and it isn't in the indicment.
And the down arrows are pretty clearly shown to be a Helldivers 2 thing. I don't play it but it makes total sense and is the best explination that fits.Transgender @NajraGalvz was the one that posted something big is going to happen when Charlie Kirk comes. He also said he wanted someone to Evaporate Charlie. pic.twitter.com/0GhLgQtXvT
— Johnny Midnight ⚡️ (@its_The_Dr) September 10, 2025
Does this person have any association with Tyler Robinson? People on the internet can just say stuff. It doesn't mean they were involved.
That would be true if there wasn't other accounts doing it too.
sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:socaltownie said:MinotStateBeav said:
Sorry that was a puff piece cover by Klippenstein..."OH see these things on these bullets, they actually mean this other thing" while completely ignoring Bella Ciao and the 3 arrows down. We're not stupid. Most killers have other issues.
He also goes onto say "Nobody was celebrating"...total absolute bollucks. They were excitedly warning people the day before that something was going to happen.
Where is your proof the day before? I haven't seen ANY Of that reporting and it isn't in the indicment.
And the down arrows are pretty clearly shown to be a Helldivers 2 thing. I don't play it but it makes total sense and is the best explination that fits.Transgender @NajraGalvz was the one that posted something big is going to happen when Charlie Kirk comes. He also said he wanted someone to Evaporate Charlie. pic.twitter.com/0GhLgQtXvT
— Johnny Midnight ⚡️ (@its_The_Dr) September 10, 2025
Does this person have any association with Tyler Robinson? People on the internet can just say stuff. It doesn't mean they were involved.
That would be true if there wasn't other accounts doing it too.
Again, people on the internet can just say stuff. You need to prove that they were linked to claim an organized effort.
dajo9 said:movielover said:
Why do you want old Drag Queens pimping in front of CHILDREN???!!! Grooming?
In college a friend loved to go to Finnochio's in North Beach... I never went, but he enjoyed it.
I'm far more offended by Charlie Kirk grooming underage girls than I am by parents bringing children to events where there are cross dressers and transgender people.
The latter is none of the governments business while the former is none of Charlie Kirk's business.
MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:socaltownie said:MinotStateBeav said:
Sorry that was a puff piece cover by Klippenstein..."OH see these things on these bullets, they actually mean this other thing" while completely ignoring Bella Ciao and the 3 arrows down. We're not stupid. Most killers have other issues.
He also goes onto say "Nobody was celebrating"...total absolute bollucks. They were excitedly warning people the day before that something was going to happen.
Where is your proof the day before? I haven't seen ANY Of that reporting and it isn't in the indicment.
And the down arrows are pretty clearly shown to be a Helldivers 2 thing. I don't play it but it makes total sense and is the best explination that fits.Transgender @NajraGalvz was the one that posted something big is going to happen when Charlie Kirk comes. He also said he wanted someone to Evaporate Charlie. pic.twitter.com/0GhLgQtXvT
— Johnny Midnight ⚡️ (@its_The_Dr) September 10, 2025
Does this person have any association with Tyler Robinson? People on the internet can just say stuff. It doesn't mean they were involved.
That would be true if there wasn't other accounts doing it too.
Again, people on the internet can just say stuff. You need to prove that they were linked to claim an organized effort.
Sorry but I don't work for the FBI
sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:socaltownie said:MinotStateBeav said:
Sorry that was a puff piece cover by Klippenstein..."OH see these things on these bullets, they actually mean this other thing" while completely ignoring Bella Ciao and the 3 arrows down. We're not stupid. Most killers have other issues.
He also goes onto say "Nobody was celebrating"...total absolute bollucks. They were excitedly warning people the day before that something was going to happen.
Where is your proof the day before? I haven't seen ANY Of that reporting and it isn't in the indicment.
And the down arrows are pretty clearly shown to be a Helldivers 2 thing. I don't play it but it makes total sense and is the best explination that fits.Transgender @NajraGalvz was the one that posted something big is going to happen when Charlie Kirk comes. He also said he wanted someone to Evaporate Charlie. pic.twitter.com/0GhLgQtXvT
— Johnny Midnight ⚡️ (@its_The_Dr) September 10, 2025
Does this person have any association with Tyler Robinson? People on the internet can just say stuff. It doesn't mean they were involved.
That would be true if there wasn't other accounts doing it too.
Again, people on the internet can just say stuff. You need to prove that they were linked to claim an organized effort.
Sorry but I don't work for the FBI
Right, which means you don't know s***.
