sycasey said:
This is a weird thing to be upset about.Good morning. I went to church today for the first time in a couple of months. I was sad that the name of Charlie Kirk was not mentioned a single time. Other tragedies were mentioned. But at this particular Catholic church, nothing about Charlie. What were they afraid of?
— Michele Tafoya (@Michele_Tafoya) September 14, 2025
Holy. Shit.
— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) September 15, 2025
JD Vance is fed up:
“Something is very wrong with a growing minority on the far-left. There is no unity with people who celebrate Charlie Kirk’s assassination. There is no unity with people who argue he deserved it because he spoke words with which they disagreed.” pic.twitter.com/69kQBmDIF3
going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Hopefully there isn't any relieving yourself near that memorial area.bearister said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:No doubt they held a second of silence after they shanked shots into the heavy rough surrounding Ivana's grave.OsoDorado said:OsoDorado said:
Not surprising at all:
Trump is grieving for Charlie Kirk by golfing this weekend in Bedminster, New Jersey, at Trump National Golf Club.
Trump grieving today on the golf course:
If you land on it after your tee shot on 1 do you get nearest point of relief and a club length or do you have to play it where it lies?
BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
DiabloWags said:going4roses said:
Antioch
El Sobrante
Brentwood or whatever it was called up to the 80's
San Leandro
Orinda and Lafayette.
But not Walnut Creek.
going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
movielover said:
The Left has endorsed violence for decades.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOg88Edjso9/?igsh=YWs3bHVidml6MXVq
BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
Nobody… all of us. I don't have that answer obviously but when blatantly false things are being said and labeled as fact, we have a problem. Both sides do it and just claim ignorance when the other side pushes back. It's unhelpful and actually harmful
cal83dls79 said:Cal88 said:movielover said:
Have San Francisco murders really plummeted, or are the numbers rigged?
SF population is down almost 10% from last decade, so the same number of crimes will show a similar percentage drop in crime rates.
fewer people to murder I suppose….but the facts say otherwise. The sf murder rate is rarely talked about especially relative to oakland (where I lived).
Sf stats:
2024: Approximately 35 homicides, or about 4 per 100,000 residents.
2018: 5.17 per 100,000 population.
2017: 6.35 per 100,000 population.
Of course some may not trust these facts
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
Nobody… all of us. I don't have that answer obviously but when blatantly false things are being said and labeled as fact, we have a problem. Both sides do it and just claim ignorance when the other side pushes back. It's unhelpful and actually harmful
"Trump is a fascist" is an opinion, not a fact either way, unless he himself comes out and says "I'm a fascist." (I guess I wouldn't put anything past him, but I doubt he'd ever say that.) So should that be considered out of bounds of acceptable conversation?
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
Nobody… all of us. I don't have that answer obviously but when blatantly false things are being said and labeled as fact, we have a problem. Both sides do it and just claim ignorance when the other side pushes back. It's unhelpful and actually harmful
"Trump is a fascist" is an opinion, not a fact either way, unless he himself comes out and says "I'm a fascist." (I guess I wouldn't put anything past him, but I doubt he'd ever say that.) So should that be considered out of bounds of acceptable conversation?
"I think Trump is a facist" is very different than "Trump is a facist." If it's your opinion state that. But then you can't call other people wrong for having different opinions.
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
Nobody… all of us. I don't have that answer obviously but when blatantly false things are being said and labeled as fact, we have a problem. Both sides do it and just claim ignorance when the other side pushes back. It's unhelpful and actually harmful
"Trump is a fascist" is an opinion, not a fact either way, unless he himself comes out and says "I'm a fascist." (I guess I wouldn't put anything past him, but I doubt he'd ever say that.) So should that be considered out of bounds of acceptable conversation?
"I think Trump is a facist" is very different than "Trump is a facist." If it's your opinion state that. But then you can't call other people wrong for having different opinions.
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
Not sure anyone in that clip was talking about "required" other than Charlie Kirk himself, he brought that up. The student just said you should do it out of basic courtesy. I agree with the student. And I also think this statement betrays a larger attitude that trans people just shouldn't exist at all. Otherwise why refuse to call them by the name they have chosen as grown adults?
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
Not sure anyone in that clip was talking about "required" other than Charlie Kirk himself, he brought that up. The student just said you should do it out of basic courtesy. I agree with the student. And I also think this statement betrays a larger attitude that trans people just shouldn't exist at all. Otherwise why refuse to call them by the name they have chosen as grown adults?
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Big C said:going4roses said:BearlySane88 said:going4roses said:
What's with the name calling? You can't just say what you think or feel ( even if it's wrong as hell) without calling names like a petulant child ?
Yet you can label whoever you want a racist? lol come on now… maybe don't act like a moron and you won't be called one
So if someone is being racist I can't call them a racist ? Hmm and if someone is a sold out capitulator working against his own demographic for another group I can't say that … sorry I see a spade i am going to call it a spade.
I guess if a dimwit wants to call me this or that because I'm 100% right and his panties are hurting his boochiecat that is on you huh.
This reminds me of when somebody calls Trump a fascist and then people say, "You can't call him a fascist!" Well, if you can't call him a fascist, you are down to two options:
- ignoring the elephant in the room, or...
- calling him a power-mad narcissist a-hole (too many key strokes!)
What's a truth-teller supposed to do nowadays, anyway?!?
Maybe try actually telling the truth
Who is the arbiter of whether or not this statement is true?
Nobody… all of us. I don't have that answer obviously but when blatantly false things are being said and labeled as fact, we have a problem. Both sides do it and just claim ignorance when the other side pushes back. It's unhelpful and actually harmful
"Trump is a fascist" is an opinion, not a fact either way, unless he himself comes out and says "I'm a fascist." (I guess I wouldn't put anything past him, but I doubt he'd ever say that.) So should that be considered out of bounds of acceptable conversation?
"I think Trump is a facist" is very different than "Trump is a facist." If it's your opinion state that. But then you can't call other people wrong for having different opinions.
We are not children and no one should have to preface their every opinion with "I think" in order to avoid others being offended.
Oh sorry, I guess I should have said: "I think that we are not children and no one should have to preface their every opinion with 'I think' in order to avoid others being offended."
Big C said:
I think Trump is a fascist... maybe. Bottom line, he is what he is.
One thing for sure: Don't try and build a national campaign against him based on that! Been tried; didn't work. Why? I think the American electorate is generally ignorant. (Notice I said "I think... ")
MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
Not sure anyone in that clip was talking about "required" other than Charlie Kirk himself, he brought that up. The student just said you should do it out of basic courtesy. I agree with the student. And I also think this statement betrays a larger attitude that trans people just shouldn't exist at all. Otherwise why refuse to call them by the name they have chosen as grown adults?
Universities were and so do some companies. Conservatives don't see lying to somebody as a courtesy and not helpful to them. Reality is tough enough without having to live in pretend land. You see playing along as caring, conservatives see telling the truth as the caring choice.
DiabloWags said:Big C said:
I think Trump is a fascist... maybe. Bottom line, he is what he is.
One thing for sure: Don't try and build a national campaign against him based on that! Been tried; didn't work. Why? I think the American electorate is generally ignorant. (Notice I said "I think... ")
A study from 2023 that I read stated that reading comprehension for 54% of Americans is at the 6th grade level. I see it all the time with my dirt-bike buddies that I grew up in the 70's with who barely made it thru high school and are blue collar. 95% of these guys are bigots and racists and Trump supporters.
Do More Than Half of Americans Read Below 6th-Grade Level? | Snopes.com
Welcome to Dumberica!
BearlySane88 said:
Lolol so by that graphic, California is arguably the dumbest. Guess that says a lot about why people just fall in line come election time in the golden state
DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:
Lolol so by that graphic, California is arguably the dumbest. Guess that says a lot about why people just fall in line come election time in the golden state
Same as TEXASS
sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
Not sure anyone in that clip was talking about "required" other than Charlie Kirk himself, he brought that up. The student just said you should do it out of basic courtesy. I agree with the student. And I also think this statement betrays a larger attitude that trans people just shouldn't exist at all. Otherwise why refuse to call them by the name they have chosen as grown adults?
Universities were and so do some companies. Conservatives don't see lying to somebody as a courtesy and not helpful to them. Reality is tough enough without having to live in pretend land. You see playing along as caring, conservatives see telling the truth as the caring choice.
We will never agree about this.
BearlySane88 said:
lol sure but you made the argument to show that republicans can't read while actually showing how dumb California and the dems really are.
That backfired buddy. Try again next time
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk
— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025
(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt
I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.
It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed
Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?
What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?
Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for
Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:
Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.
When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.
On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.
If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.
Valid points for the most part. Agree to disagree on some such as I don't think it should be required for me to call a person by pronouns I don't agree with. They can identify and call themselves whatever they'd like, doesn't mean I have to agree to that. Change your life if you want, don't force me to change mine.
His response to gay marriage is based on his faith belief. He never tells anyone they shouldn't be gay or that they are less than for being gay. He's also on the record saying anyone who doesn't think gays can be conservative don't belong in the Conservative Party
Not sure anyone in that clip was talking about "required" other than Charlie Kirk himself, he brought that up. The student just said you should do it out of basic courtesy. I agree with the student. And I also think this statement betrays a larger attitude that trans people just shouldn't exist at all. Otherwise why refuse to call them by the name they have chosen as grown adults?
Universities were and so do some companies. Conservatives don't see lying to somebody as a courtesy and not helpful to them. Reality is tough enough without having to live in pretend land. You see playing along as caring, conservatives see telling the truth as the caring choice.
We will never agree about this.
And guess what… THATS OKAY! Neither have to be labeled a bigot or hater or racist or transphobe or whatever other term.
Discourse is fundamentally American. Share your opinions, listen to others opinions, agree to disagree sometimes.
