okaydo said:

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President Trump is the law and order president.

He has de-woke-ified and de-DEI-ified the FBI and the entire federal law enforcement apparatus to make them the best they could possibly be.

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Yup, that's why the FBI Field Office in Salt Lake City is without a director.

She was fired unceremoniously weeks ago. A decorated, well-regarded Pakistani American female agent who joined the bureau after 9/11 and spent years doing counterterrorism work.

concordtom said:

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okaydo said:

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My prediction is that by this time next week, we will have moved on and the Charlie Kirk story will be forgotten (unless the killer is still on the loose.

He was killed at 11:10 a.m. PT.

It hasn't been 12 hours and it feels like a lifetime ago.

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Interesting posit.
I could argue the opposite. That Trump uses it as the spark he needs to move military.

I guess we'll see who the killer is.
If he remains at large, or IS actually a leftist, Trump and the wacky right wing media will invent their narrative that it's all liberal lefties, which is so nuts to me because it's the right that loves guns and the left that hates them. I mean, the people who come on here or elsewhere talking about the left and violence - I see it the other way. But that's another story.

Interesting posit. I think their use Kirk as a martyr. It's good to have a martyr for a cause, to play victimhood, and they (Trump, MAGA media, aka Fox) will write the script however it benefits them - because Charlie certainly can't edit it now.

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Moving on immediately is the absolute nature of our click-based media and tv news. I think this one may be different.

tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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okaydo said:

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My prediction is that by this time next week, we will have moved on and the Charlie Kirk story will be forgotten (unless the killer is still on the loose.

He was killed at 11:10 a.m. PT.

It hasn't been 12 hours and it feels like a lifetime ago.

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Interesting posit.
I could argue the opposite. That Trump uses it as the spark he needs to move military.

I guess we'll see who the killer is.
If he remains at large, or IS actually a leftist, Trump and the wacky right wing media will invent their narrative that it's all liberal lefties, which is so nuts to me because it's the right that loves guns and the left that hates them. I mean, the people who come on here or elsewhere talking about the left and violence - I see it the other way. But that's another story.

Interesting posit. I think their use Kirk as a martyr. It's good to have a martyr for a cause, to play victimhood, and they (Trump, MAGA media, aka Fox) will write the script however it benefits them - because Charlie certainly can't edit it now.

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Moving on immediately is the absolute nature of our click-based media and tv news. I think this one may be different.

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Moving on immediately is the absolute nature of the Trump era thanks to Trump himself. I think he'll end up posting about other things, including the Emmys. He won't forget about Charlie. But he'll do something that will make headlines. And will move on.

The Left regularly called @charliekirk11 a fascist or
a Nazi (as they do with virtually anyone who opposes them) in order to incite and justify deadly violence against him. And they're still doing it.

— Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) September 11, 2025

I stopped doing public appearances several years ago -- before I got cancelled -- because I judged it too dangerous.

The context was Democrats being hypnotized by the media to believe they were living in Hitler's Germany.

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 11, 2025

I read this and am reminded about how Trump just ended the secret service protection for folks like Hunter Biden and Kamala Harris.

I'm not educated in such issues but what would the reaction be nationally if any of these people end up killed?

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House Speaker Mike Johnson told reporters that members of Congress have voiced concerns for their safety and are calling for heightened security measures following the fatal shooting of conservative political activist Charlie Kirk on Wednesday.

"We're under a very thorough review of the existing options and how we might need to enhance that to ensure members' security and safety," Johnson told reporters Thursday morning. "It's a big concern of all of them and their spouses back home and their families and everything. So there's a cost associated with that."

Johnson told CNN Wednesday evening that it's "not a possibility" to provide all 435 House members with security due to it costing what's estimated to be billions of dollars.

He said that members may start taking part in a "pilot program" that allows congressional members to hire personal security when traveling or holding events in their districts.

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Slight point of order. I believe Trump canceled the Biden extensions of Secret Service protection beyond the normal 6 months that family and VPs get.

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tequila4kapp said:

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The rifle has been recovered. The FBI has a palm print. Shoes also recovered. This is a potentially important development for catching the assassin.

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Shoes?
Ooo.

DNA will be found. Then they'll be able to narrow it down BIG TIME.

I suspect they'll find him if they get dna.

That's an absolutely crushing rookie move for the shooter. Sounds like this was impulsive. He'll get caught now.

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New reports this morning that the FBI says they have a lot of good video of the shooter and they expect to find the shooter sooner rather than later. Of course Patel said they had the guy last night too so we shall see. But generally, good video + physical evidence means a perp is going down.

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Slight point of order. I believe Trump canceled the Biden extensions of Secret Service protection beyond the normal 6 months that family and VPs get.

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Politely stated, respectfully received.

Just watched what I can only assume was a Trump supporter due to the white pickup truck with an American and Trump flag flying in the bed of his truck pull up to the front of a local grocery store. This individual had a gun on his hip and walk into the store at 8:00 am. Given his look he was not law enforcement or with any federal agency. Last time I looked California allowed open carry in a few instances. He looked like he would start shootings if anybody said boo to him.


Question: Would you report this individual to police?

If open carry is illegal in CA then absolutely.

tequila4kapp said:

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If open carry is illegal in CA then absolutely.

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Open carry is prohibited in CA.
I'd report him to authorities.

MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

It is easy (normal?) to have those feelings. But they are wrong. Kirk's entire thing was words not weapons; that we have to talk to each other; lack of dialogue leads to violence.

tequila4kapp said:

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It is easy (normal?) to have those feelings. But they are wrong. Kirk's entire thing was words not weapons; that we have to talk to each other; lack of dialogue leads to violence.

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I would suggest that our current President is the complete antithesis of Kirk's ethos.
He does not know how to unify like George Bush did after 9/11.
Trump only knows how to divide.
There is no Trump 2.0

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Just watched what I can only assume was a Trump supporter due to the white pickup truck with an American and Trump flag flying in the bed of his truck pull up to the front of a local grocery store. This individual had a gun on his hip and walk into the store at 8:00 am. Given his look he was not law enforcement or with any federal agency. Last time I looked California allowed open carry in a few instances. He looked like he would start shootings if anybody said boo to him.


Question: Would you report this individual to police?

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I made the report after I got home. The appropriate agency is investigating the incident.

DiabloWags said:

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MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

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It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.

BearNIt said:

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Just watched what I can only assume was a Trump supporter due to the white pickup truck with an American and Trump flag flying in the bed of his truck pull up to the front of a local grocery store. This individual had a gun on his hip and walk into the store at 8:00 am. Given his look he was not law enforcement or with any federal agency. Last time I looked California allowed open carry in a few instances. He looked like he would start shootings if anybody said boo to him.


Question: Would you report this individual to police?

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I would report him to the Bear Insider moderators.

BearNIt said:

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BearNIt said:

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Just watched what I can only assume was a Trump supporter due to the white pickup truck with an American and Trump flag flying in the bed of his truck pull up to the front of a local grocery store. This individual had a gun on his hip and walk into the store at 8:00 am. Given his look he was not law enforcement or with any federal agency. Last time I looked California allowed open carry in a few instances. He looked like he would start shootings if anybody said boo to him.


Question: Would you report this individual to police?

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I made the report after I got home. The appropriate agency is investigating the incident.

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The law is nuanced in California. Depends on the county you are in for example. Small counties in CA are permitted to (and often do) issue permits for open carry, but that only applies to open carry within the county. There also are general exceptions for police, hunters, military, etc. and types of guns ( e.g, antiques). If you are in a rural county open carry is more prevalent, and more generally accepted. If this guy is in say a downtown urban area and seems threatening, you should consider calling authorities.The presence of displayed firearms when coupled with that looks like aggressive behavior in an urban area could escalate conflicts, potentially turning arguments into deadly encounters. Context can be important.

FWIW, open carry is permitted in the overwhelms number of states, and even in four states where it is generally not permitted (one being CA), there typically are many exceptions.

F

concordtom said:

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okaydo said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Moving on immediately is the absolute nature of our click-based media and tv news. I think this one may be different.

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Moving on immediately is the absolute nature of the Trump era thanks to Trump himself. I think he'll end up posting about other things, including the Emmys. He won't forget about Charlie. But he'll do something that will make headlines. And will move on.

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Headlines like awarding him the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
Who called that?
Took less than 24 hours!

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I'll take a bow:

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