Anarchistbear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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Scalise, Trump x2 attempts, Kirk, plus fire bombings of cities in LA, Ferguson, Portland, DC, New York and various other locations. Seems more like the 60s and 70s than you want to admit.

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2500 bombings in 18 months between 1970-71. That's like 5 per day conducted by organized revolutionary groups trying to overthrow the government.. if this happened now it'd be martial law.

The stuff nowadays is more deranged individuals. This is one of the more violent countries on earth with lots of guns. When idiots on social media proclaim we are in a civil war, why would they be surprised when someone on the other side commits an " act of war" and snuffs them in response

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MinotStateBeav said:

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The safety net use to be schools, where students got some form of morality taught to them and real punishment for failing to live up to those virtues.

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sycasey said:

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Again, I said I'm sure such people exist but these are just random idiots, not major influencers within the American left.

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

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It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.

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I have yet to see one single celebratory comment.

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I've seen occasional comments, just out there in the wider internet. It's a big world and you can find anything if you look for it. That said, I don't think there are any prominent politicians or lefty commentators who have been particularly celebratory about Kirk's murder. Even the guy who got fired from MSNBC wasn't really celebrating the event, he was talking about how Kirk's rhetoric might have contributed to it.

Meanwhile, when the state senators got killed in Minnesota, Mike Lee (a sitting US Senator) quickly decided to make jokes about how the killer was associated with Tim Walz (not really true, as it turns out). When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Charlie Kirk called for people to bail out the attacker. So I don't think the MAGA folks should be up on their moral high horses here.

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tequila4kapp said:

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Patel and Bongino flying to Utah. It appears the next update is being delayed for their arrival. Reports indicate rapid developments but the attacker is still at large.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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concordtom said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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That's definitely NOT my impression!
I don't know what you're reading/hearing/talking to that gives you that impression.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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concordtom said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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That's definitely NOT my impression!
I don't know what you're reading/hearing/talking to that gives you that impression.

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It's the social media accounts that feed him only the tweets of a small minority group of idiots that celebrate violence and ignore the vast majority that aren't celebrating violence and assassination.

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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Did Kirk deserve a minute of silence?

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What had he done for the European Parliament to warrant a moment of silence specifically for him? He was a guy who did a podcast and debated college students. The vast majority of his political activity was in the US. You can't have moments of silence for everyone who dies.

I'm not happy he died and his murder is terrible, but no one is required to treat him like a fallen hero just because he had a tragic death either.

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tequila4kapp said:

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There's no question that's part of it for the administration, but that's only part of it. The guy was universally beloved by those who knew him. It's amazing how many people are commenting that they didn't seriously follow him (or other celebrities) but his death has REALLY impacted them. I think that's because of the kindness and decency with which he treated people, his faith and his love of family. There's something more going on with this.

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tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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Did Kirk deserve a minute of silence?

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What had he done for the European Parliament to warrant a moment of silence specifically for him? He was a guy who did a podcast and debated college students. The vast majority of his political activity was in the US. You can't have moments of silence for everyone who dies.

I'm not happy he died and his murder is terrible, but no one is required to treat him like a fallen hero just because he had a tragic death either.

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I don't disagree about Euro moment of silence. And you are under-stating his impact. Turning Point has 1k employees (2025) and at least 85M in revenue (2023); he started TP when he was 18. He is the head of a conservative and Christian movement, especially among young people. In 2024 NBC reported his podcast was downloaded 500k-750k times per day.

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tequila4kapp said:

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There's no question that's part of it for the administration, but that's only part of it. The guy was universally beloved by those who knew him. It's amazing how many people are commenting that they didn't seriously follow him (or other celebrities) but his death has REALLY impacted them. I think that's because of the kindness and decency with which he treated people, his faith and his love of family. There's something more going on with this.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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concordtom said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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That's definitely NOT my impression!
I don't know what you're reading/hearing/talking to that gives you that impression.

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It's the social media accounts that feed him only the tweets of a small minority group of idiots that celebrate violence and ignore the vast majority that aren't celebrating violence and assassination.

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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tequila4kapp said:

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There's no question that's part of it for the administration, but that's only part of it. The guy was universally beloved by those who knew him. It's amazing how many people are commenting that they didn't seriously follow him (or other celebrities) but his death has REALLY impacted them. I think that's because of the kindness and decency with which he treated people, his faith and his love of family. There's something more going on with this.

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concordtom said:

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On CNN,a representative said 2/3rd of violent talk comes from the radical right, 1/3 from left.

I didn't catch who.
But I believe him.

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movielover said:

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I watched part of the interview w slimy Newsom. Kirk's goal was to swing the (very liberal) youth vote 10% in 10 years; they accomplished it in four.

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socaltownie said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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There's no question that's part of it for the administration, but that's only part of it. The guy was universally beloved by those who knew him. It's amazing how many people are commenting that they didn't seriously follow him (or other celebrities) but his death has REALLY impacted them. I think that's because of the kindness and decency with which he treated people, his faith and his love of family. There's something more going on with this.

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Really!!???

This is your saint.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOdzDWZDqov/

Now no one should get shot. It is fundamental that anyone get to say anything in this country. But lets not annoint for sainthood someone who said demonstrable false things (I love the "better off in the 1950s" quote) and trollish behavior.

They now are talking about having him lie in state in the Capital. I shudder.

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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socaltownie said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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movielover said:

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His idea isn't hate as there have been over 60 million abortions since Roe. His statement is correct if you consider a baby a life.

60 million > Hitler: 12 million

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DiabloWags said:

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socaltownie said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE. Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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DiabloWags said:

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socaltownie said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE.
Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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