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In reply to going4roses • 5:53p, 10/4/25
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So y'all just gonna keep lying geez us h Christ


So you are saying there are no white males that are far left?
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In reply to socaltownie • 6:00p, 10/4/25
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Before last 2 weeks i both didnt know who kirk was and didnt really care. I also gwnerally dont get that animated by culture was issues as i tend to believe strongly on liberty and your right to be an *******.

What i do care about is ginning people up with outright falsehoods. Here is kirk doing that.....

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgd0-TDTRe/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

And here is the timeline

https://newrepublic.com/post/175086/right-blaming-hawaii-wildfire-wokeness

Free country. Monetize outrage. But lets stop calling this man a deep intellectual and a seeker of the truth.



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I want to see the worst of CK

There are lots of suspicious facts regarding Lahaina. Dismissing possible conspiracy automatically is blind.
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In reply to chazzed • 6:22p, 10/4/25
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Everybody remember: the behavior below is the kind that oski003, etc. admired in Kirk. Now that some morons are saying and posting tasteless things about Kirk's assassination, however, they are clutching their pearls.




Hamas killed their own people by not returning the hostages.

They wanted their people to die for propaganda
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In reply to sycasey • 6:32p, 10/4/25
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HawaiiBear33 said:
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DiabloWags said:
MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.


It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.


Mods shut down the thread early showing the start of thousands of liberals celebrating the assassination…



If you only look at liberal controlled propaganda you might not see these

Again, I said I'm sure such people exist but these are just random idiots, not major influencers within the American left.


There are millions including influencers with large followings and aoc and Crockett and other politicians

AOC and Crockett celebrated Kirk's death?
<Crickets>
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 9:26p, 10/4/25
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BearlySane88 said:
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I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.


It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed

Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?

What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?


Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for

Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:

Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.

When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.

On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.

If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.


Thanks for actually looking somewhat as opposed to most liberals who just listen to what their masters tell them.

He pushes his Christian values. I don't agree with them all but it is by far his first identity. You assume that if he were in charge he would make all his beliefs the law. Can you find any instance of him trying to force anybody to do anything?

I mean, he's never been in public office so he hasn't had a chance to do that (not legally anyway). I don't see how that's relevant. He states what he would do if he did have power (no gay marriage).
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 9:54p, 10/4/25
Bad faith debating. What is "suspicious"?
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In reply to sycasey • 1:00a, 10/5/25
sycasey said:
HawaiiBear33 said:
sycasey said:
HawaiiBear33 said:
sycasey said:
DiabloWags said:
MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.


It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.


Mods shut down the thread early showing the start of thousands of liberals celebrating the assassination…



If you only look at liberal controlled propaganda you might not see these

Again, I said I'm sure such people exist but these are just random idiots, not major influencers within the American left.


There are millions including influencers with large followings and aoc and Crockett and other politicians

AOC and Crockett celebrated Kirk's death?

Of course not, Crockett only defamed Kirk as a racist and claimed she was a victim.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 1:31p, 10/6/25
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You are improving. Benny Johnson is actually an upgrade compared to your usual sources because Benny has Trump Administration approval:

"Benny Johnson's major controversies include repeated accusations and firings for plagiarism, spreading false and misleading information, and his involvement which he claims was unwitting in a Russian-backed influence operation. These controversies, spanning more than a decade, have followed him from mainstream media outlets to his current position as a popular right-wing personality and podcaster.

Plagiarism and retractions
Johnson has been involved in several plagiarism scandals at different media organizations:

BuzzFeed (2014): He was fired from BuzzFeed after an internal review found 41 instances of plagiarism in his work. He had copied sentences and phrases verbatim from other websites, including Yahoo Answers and Wikipedia.

Independent Journal Review (2017): While at the conservative news site IJR, Johnson was again accused of plagiarism. The controversy contributed to his eventual demotion and termination.

Retracted story (2017): In a separate incident at IJR, Johnson was suspended for assigning a story that falsely suggested President Barack Obama had influenced a federal judge's ruling concerning Donald Trump. The story was later retracted.
Spreading false information and conspiracy theories.

Johnson has a history of promoting misleading content and unfounded conspiracy theories.

False claims about a home attack (2025): In August 2025, he posted a video on X (formerly Twitter) describing a mass shooting, murder, and fire at his former Washington D.C. home. Reporting by The New York Times, based on police and fire reports, revealed that the incident occurred at a neighbor's house, not his own, and had been sensationalized. No one was murdered, and Johnson had not lived in the house since 2021.

Other misleading claims: He has also written articles containing false information, such as one retracted piece that falsely attributed social media posts to the antifascist movement (antifa).

Involvement in a Russian influence scheme
Kremlin-backed media company (2024): In 2024, U.S. federal prosecutors charged two Kremlin operatives with secretly funding Tenet Media, a company that produced political videos to influence American politics. Johnson was one of several right-wing influencers who were contracted by Tenet Media to create content.

Claims of being an unwitting victim: Johnson stated he was unaware of who was financing Tenet Media and described himself as an unwitting victim of the scheme. He has not been charged in the investigation.
Access to political figures despite controversial past

Despite his controversial record, Johnson has gained increasing access to and support from prominent political figures, including former President Donald Trump and his administration.

Trump White House access (2025): In 2025, Johnson was given special access to the Trump White House and participated in events, including a Justice Department panel. A White House spokesperson defended this by stating the administration wanted to reflect "new voices" and growing digital audiences.
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In reply to bearister • 10:05a, 10/7/25
bearister said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


You are improving. Benny Johnson is actually an upgrade compared to your usual sources because Benny has Trump Administration approval:

"Benny Johnson's major controversies include repeated accusations and firings for plagiarism, spreading false and misleading information, and his involvement which he claims was unwitting in a Russian-backed influence operation. These controversies, spanning more than a decade, have followed him from mainstream media outlets to his current position as a popular right-wing personality and podcaster.

Plagiarism and retractions
Johnson has been involved in several plagiarism scandals at different media organizations:

BuzzFeed (2014): He was fired from BuzzFeed after an internal review found 41 instances of plagiarism in his work. He had copied sentences and phrases verbatim from other websites, including Yahoo Answers and Wikipedia.

Independent Journal Review (2017): While at the conservative news site IJR, Johnson was again accused of plagiarism. The controversy contributed to his eventual demotion and termination.

Retracted story (2017): In a separate incident at IJR, Johnson was suspended for assigning a story that falsely suggested President Barack Obama had influenced a federal judge's ruling concerning Donald Trump. The story was later retracted.
Spreading false information and conspiracy theories.

Johnson has a history of promoting misleading content and unfounded conspiracy theories.

False claims about a home attack (2025): In August 2025, he posted a video on X (formerly Twitter) describing a mass shooting, murder, and fire at his former Washington D.C. home. Reporting by The New York Times, based on police and fire reports, revealed that the incident occurred at a neighbor's house, not his own, and had been sensationalized. No one was murdered, and Johnson had not lived in the house since 2021.

Other misleading claims: He has also written articles containing false information, such as one retracted piece that falsely attributed social media posts to the antifascist movement (antifa).

Involvement in a Russian influence scheme
Kremlin-backed media company (2024): In 2024, U.S. federal prosecutors charged two Kremlin operatives with secretly funding Tenet Media, a company that produced political videos to influence American politics. Johnson was one of several right-wing influencers who were contracted by Tenet Media to create content.

Claims of being an unwitting victim: Johnson stated he was unaware of who was financing Tenet Media and described himself as an unwitting victim of the scheme. He has not been charged in the investigation.
Access to political figures despite controversial past

Despite his controversial record, Johnson has gained increasing access to and support from prominent political figures, including former President Donald Trump and his administration.

Trump White House access (2025): In 2025, Johnson was given special access to the Trump White House and participated in events, including a Justice Department panel. A White House spokesperson defended this by stating the administration wanted to reflect "new voices" and growing digital audiences.
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What's your point in defaming Benny here? The screenshots are real so…
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 12:59p, 10/9/25
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God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 3:29p, 10/9/25
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.


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3:39p, 10/9/25
who the **** are these people with their 300K X bots? And why is ANYONE wtih half a brain still on that platform? The ONLY reason to be is that football recruits think it is important but I can not tell you how many very reasonable (and republican) lead companies long ago abandoned it as a miserably unvaluable way to market their firm. We did.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:54p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.




Do you have a family? Friends? You've convinced me that you live in a basement jerking off to Joy Reid and The View.

It must be miserable to be you.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:56p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.


His wife handled security
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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:00p, 10/9/25
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BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.

Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.

The haters engraved bullets and pulled the trigger.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 4:22p, 10/9/25
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DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.


His wife handled security


Has anyone looked into how much his life insurance policy was worth?
I bet she loves him even more now that he's dead.


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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 4:24p, 10/9/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.

Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.

The haters engraved bullets and pulled the trigger.


And his wife employed a security team from KMART.

No one securing the perimeter with a wide-open event with no central checkpoint or entry gate.
No checking of bags. No metal detector. No scanning of ticket QR codes.
No one up on a roof scoping the crowd.

How DUMB can you be?

How DUMB was Charlie Kirk???


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In reply to DiabloWags • 4:29p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
Anarchistbear said:
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.


His wife handled security


Has anyone looked into how much his life insurance policy was worth?


She's now CEO of the business, nice windfall.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:12p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.

Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.

The haters engraved bullets and pulled the trigger.


And his wife employed a security team from KMART.

No one securing the perimeter with a wide-open event with no central checkpoint or entry gate.
No checking of bags. No metal detector. No scanning of ticket QR codes.
No one up on a roof scoping the crowd.

How DUMB can you be?

How DUMB was Charlie Kirk???




THIS IS THE GUY WHO WAS TRIGGERED BY CHARLIES SECURITY!

3827 posts about it in 27.5 days.


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In reply to DiabloWags • 7:31p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
Anarchistbear said:
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:

God bless Charlie and his family. May he rest in peace.


Too bad his investment in a solid security team was inversely proportional to the hate that he spewed.
Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind.


His wife handled security


Has anyone looked into how much his life insurance policy was worth?
I bet she loves him even more now that he's dead.




You sound like a miserably unhappy person, reveling in the death of a Father with young children who was pushing young people to be better, more moral, hard working, to sacrifice and build families and communities.
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In reply to movielover • 7:46p, 10/9/25
He spewed HATE and DIVISION.

And he walked around with no respect to that RISK.
And his life ended because of how ignorant he was of that RISK.

I cant believe how DUMB he and his wife were.
His security team was a total FAILURE.
Morons.

No one even up on a roof?
Was he living in a cave when Trump was shot?

For some stupid reason, youre unable to comprehend that.

Shocker.


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In reply to DiabloWags • 7:50p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
He spewed HATE and DIVISION.

And he walked around with no respect to that RISK.
And his life ended because of how ignorant he was of that RISK.

I cant believe how DUMB he was.
His security dumb was a total failure.
Morons.

For some stupid reason, youre unable to comprehend that.

Shocker.




You're actually mentally ill. Seek help bro.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:52p, 10/9/25
BearlySane88 said:


You're actually mentally ill. Seek help bro.


Do you still have a Charlie Kirk poster on your bedroom wall?

Does seeing a therapist make Kirk's death less painful for you 500 posts later?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 7:56p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:


You're actually mentally ill. Seek help bro.


Do you still have a Charlie Kirk poster on your bedroom wall?

Does seeing a therapist make Kirk's death less painful for you 500 posts later?


Your derangement and obsession grows more alarming by the day. Get help.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:15p, 10/9/25
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:


You're actually mentally ill. Seek help bro.


Do you still have a Charlie Kirk poster on your bedroom wall?

Does seeing a therapist make Kirk's death less painful for you 500 posts later?


Your derangement and obsession grows more alarming by the day. Get help.


Assassinations are rare, and the target is typically a President or high-ranking official.

Youth is invincible, and although his overall risk was low, hindsight is 20 / 20. He has young children, he had security.

A security expert on TV said if someone is determined, and has a high-powered rifle, there's almost nothing you can do to be 100% safe.

This nut here is now insinuating that the love of her life and Father to her children was in on the Assassination?

"he walked around with no respect" = he had trained security. I've heard varying claims on if he wore a bullet-proof vest.
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In reply to movielover • 8:17p, 10/9/25
Youre reading comprehension is poor.
And his wife was terribly DUMB.

There was a massive RISK that they ignored.
Because they were STUPID.

Period.
End of story.





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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:23p, 10/9/25
DiabloWags said:
Youre reading comprehension is poor.
And his wife was terribly DUMB.

There was a massive RISK that they ignored.
Because they were STUPID.

Period.
End of story.







Your*

Did you even go to Cal bro?????
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8:23p, 10/9/25
" According to a report by The Mirror, Kris Herzog, the owner of The Bodyguard Group of Beverly Hills, an executive protection agency said that he warned Kirk after meeting him on March 6 at California State University. He told Kirk he would "100% be killed at one of his upcoming university speaking events" unless precautions are taken…….

The security expert had advised Kirk to use bulletproof glass panels to protect him and metal detectors to screen anyone within a 700 metre radius……

"I told him that a sniper would probably go for a headshot, which means it was of critical importance to have the ballistic glass," Herzog said."
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/charlie-kirk-was-warned-he-would-be-100-killed-before-utah-shooting-9272558/amp/1

*Clearly this has no bearing on the fact he was wrongfully murdered. He had the absolute right to not put the recommended security measures in place, just like you have the right to walk around Lake Merritt at 2:00 am with several $10,000 bills taped to your coat …..you would just be pressing your luck, that's all.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:24p, 10/9/25
Leave it to the man(child) who glorifies superficial values - Porsches, alleged trophy girlfriend, status wine, and the newest self-absorbed "Blessed" slang - to post such vile assertions.

AntiochWags:

"Funny how his wife didn't seem to mind."

"Has anyone looked into how much his life insurance policy was worth?

"I bet she loves him even more now that he's dead."
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10:53p, 10/9/25
Charlie Kirk and guest - short.

Are these comments hate, or facts? Is Islam a religion of conquest?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPhNmKajj0v/?igsh=Z3g2OXYwZnM5NGtj
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In reply to sycasey • 2:44a, 10/10/25
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HawaiiBear33 said:
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BearlySane88 said:
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I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.


It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed

Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?

What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?


Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for

Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:

Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.

When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.

On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.

If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.


Thanks for actually looking somewhat as opposed to most liberals who just listen to what their masters tell them.

He pushes his Christian values. I don't agree with them all but it is by far his first identity. You assume that if he were in charge he would make all his beliefs the law. Can you find any instance of him trying to force anybody to do anything?

I mean, he's never been in public office so he hasn't had a chance to do that (not legally anyway). I don't see how that's relevant. He states what he would do if he did have power (no gay marriage).

Kirk very specifically made the point that his personal views were based on his understanding of Christianity in his personal life but that we do not live in a theocracy and that he did not want to impose those views on others. See video below. Kirk was friendly with many notable gay conservatives who have defended him without reservation (Guy Benson Dave Rubin)


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