LOL.GBear4Life said:Not surprised they were indicted. I will be surprised if they're convictedAnarchistbear said:
Father and son arrested for murder. Don't take your guns to town, son.
It was NOT a tough case.GBear4Life said:
My brother just alerted me to this case this morning.
This is a tough case but of course the MSM is delusional on this one and it appears many who yearn to soak up its narrative are parroting it without a critical eye.
Revisiting some of this page 1 stuff....okaydo said:GBear4Life said:Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
I don't know man, I think he reasonably feared that if he laid down on the ground it would be the last thing he ever did. If I were a black man in the south chased by those three white people with guns, I sure as hell wouldn't hope for the best. It was absolutely reasonable to be in a fight or flight situation and those men rightfully bear 100% of the responsibility for his death.concordtom said:Revisiting some of this page 1 stuff....okaydo said:GBear4Life said:Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
If Arbery had just laid down spread eagle, allow cops to come and arrest him and face charges, that wouldn't have stuck, he'd be alive.
But he fought back, or fled, or panicked....whatever. He died a martyr for the cause of changing American awareness and culture.
He surely did not want to be a martyr, but a martyr he is.
For all those who observed the trial and what happened, along with McMichael's self defense testimony/explanation, we can never see this new concept of "subconscious racism" differently.
It's in all of us, and we need to get in touch with it to change it, to not pass it down to future generations.
Bless the Arbery family in their mourning.
Tis very sad for the McMichael family, too. There was a daughter who will now grow up without a father, wives who will miss their husbands.
Subconscious racism hurts everyone. We are a less great nation because of it.
I think any person being chased by people with guns would begin to panic and not know what to think or do. He did what he did in order to try and save himself. I'm in no position to judge and monday morning QB his actions. He's at no fault here. I'm just thinking that the McMichaels probably would NOT have shot if he 100% surrendered, and he'd still be alive. Running at a guy with a gun was probably the wrong move (okay, I did MMQB it, but the McMichaels and all of America will be MMQB'ing THEIR move for decades to come.)Unit2Sucks said:I don't know man, I think he reasonably feared that if he laid down on the ground it would be the last thing he ever did. If I were a black man in the south chased by those three white people with guns, I sure as hell wouldn't hope for the best. It was absolutely reasonable to be in a fight or flight situation and those men rightfully bear 100% of the responsibility for his death.concordtom said:Revisiting some of this page 1 stuff....okaydo said:GBear4Life said:Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
If Arbery had just laid down spread eagle, allow cops to come and arrest him and face charges, that wouldn't have stuck, he'd be alive.
But he fought back, or fled, or panicked....whatever. He died a martyr for the cause of changing American awareness and culture.
He surely did not want to be a martyr, but a martyr he is.
For all those who observed the trial and what happened, along with McMichael's self defense testimony/explanation, we can never see this new concept of "subconscious racism" differently.
It's in all of us, and we need to get in touch with it to change it, to not pass it down to future generations.
Bless the Arbery family in their mourning.
Tis very sad for the McMichael family, too. There was a daughter who will now grow up without a father, wives who will miss their husbands.
Subconscious racism hurts everyone. We are a less great nation because of it.
No offense, but that's easy to say as a white guy living in the Bay Area. A young black man in Georgia being chased by 3 bearded old white guys in a lifted pickup truck yelling at him and pointing shotguns? As far as he knew, they were racist rednecks looking to lynch him and he had one way to survive. I don't know that he was wrong.concordtom said:I think any person being chased by people with guns would begin to panic and not know what to think or do. He did what he did in order to try and save himself. I'm in no position to judge and monday morning QB his actions. He's at no fault here. I'm just thinking that the McMichaels probably would NOT have shot if he 100% surrendered, and he'd still be alive. Running at a guy with a gun was probably the wrong move (okay, I did MMQB it, but the McMichaels and all of America will be MMQB'ing THEIR move for decades to come.)Unit2Sucks said:I don't know man, I think he reasonably feared that if he laid down on the ground it would be the last thing he ever did. If I were a black man in the south chased by those three white people with guns, I sure as hell wouldn't hope for the best. It was absolutely reasonable to be in a fight or flight situation and those men rightfully bear 100% of the responsibility for his death.concordtom said:Revisiting some of this page 1 stuff....okaydo said:GBear4Life said:Dude you're projecting the most convenient narrative for you. You're presuming, without any reasoned evidence, that they conveyed they wanted to stop him for the sake of killing him. They didn't need to get out of their vehicles to kill him. They weren't trying to get away with a homicide. They tried to stop him multiple times and shouted to him "we want to talk to you". There is no reason to think Ahmued thought he was going to get killed. Aside from this, fist fighting two men with guns is not fighting for your life. It's called committing suicide. But that's moot because the premise you set up -- that it was two men whose intent was to murder him, and that they conveyed that to him and he knew it -- was ridiculous.okaydo said:
The normal reaction is to fight back because these 2 dudes are about to kill you. You fight back. Or you become a sitting duck and be shot dead. You fight back because you're scared that 2 people have guns on you. You fight back because it's your only chance to make it out alive. His reaction of self defense from 2 people threatening to kill him is the "normal" one.
If 2 guys were stalking you with guns, it's a perfectly normal to assume they are 1) threatening you and 2) want to kill you.
You're the one who's projecting their innocent intentions.
Pointing guns at somebody is a threat.
Trying to stop somebody who is threatening you with a lethal weapon is defending yourself and is indeed fighting for your life.
If Arbery had just laid down spread eagle, allow cops to come and arrest him and face charges, that wouldn't have stuck, he'd be alive.
But he fought back, or fled, or panicked....whatever. He died a martyr for the cause of changing American awareness and culture.
He surely did not want to be a martyr, but a martyr he is.
For all those who observed the trial and what happened, along with McMichael's self defense testimony/explanation, we can never see this new concept of "subconscious racism" differently.
It's in all of us, and we need to get in touch with it to change it, to not pass it down to future generations.
Bless the Arbery family in their mourning.
Tis very sad for the McMichael family, too. There was a daughter who will now grow up without a father, wives who will miss their husbands.
Subconscious racism hurts everyone. We are a less great nation because of it.
Bless you, Ahmaud, for revealing just how insidious subconscious racism can be.
I look forward to your memorials and statues.
going4roses said:
This is why people Black people can't be racist !!!!
They don't have the white skin nor the white privilege (power) that comes the combination.
Black people dont commit crimes on white people or Asian people because they hate the color of their skin. EVER !!!
Racism is Race (white) + (white) power !!!!
Name where Black people have either one of those over anyone else in this country ?
