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In reply to Strykur • 1:10p, 9/2/22
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

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The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:27p, 9/2/22
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

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The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.

Except for the $$$

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In reply to dimitrig • 1:29p, 9/2/22
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.
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In reply to Strykur • 1:58p, 9/2/22
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.

Yes, the financial piece may well override the "increased chance of making the playoff" piece (though that depends on what the B1G would offer), but it is a new incentive to stay in the weaker conference. Especially for a team that's more likely to win it (Oregon).
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In reply to sycasey • 3:02p, 9/2/22
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.

Yes, the financial piece may well override the "increased chance of making the playoff" piece (though that depends on what the B1G would offer), but it is a new incentive to stay in the weaker conference. Especially for a team that's more likely to win it (Oregon).


With good leadership Cal could do well in either scenario. With our leadership we will aim to be average in either scenario (and fall short). That is what we did when the PAC was weak around the turn of the century and that is what we have done in a weak PAC over the last few years. That is what Knowlton aimed for in basketball. I'd rather be a below average B1G team than a below average watered down PAC or MWC team.
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In reply to calumnus • 3:13p, 9/2/22
calumnus said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.

Yes, the financial piece may well override the "increased chance of making the playoff" piece (though that depends on what the B1G would offer), but it is a new incentive to stay in the weaker conference. Especially for a team that's more likely to win it (Oregon).


With good leadership Cal could do well in either scenario. With our leadership we will aim to be average in either scenario (and fall short). That is what we did when the PAC was weak around the turn of the century and that is what we have done in a weak PAC over the last few years. That is what Knowlton aimed for in basketball. I'd rather be a below average B1G team than a below average watered down PAC or MWC team.


Totally agree!
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In reply to dimitrig • 3:22p, 9/2/22
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.

Except for the $$$

And, the recruits and the fans.
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3:23p, 9/2/22
Cal needs to finance its whole athletic program, so it would clearly make sense to join the B1G if at all possible (though again, depends on what kind of share we get).
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12:26p, 9/3/22
The Big10 needs another academic school (ie. bad at athletics school) to balance out Northwestern. Cal for the win...er, loss.
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In reply to 82gradDLSdad • 1:25p, 9/3/22
82gradDLSdad said:
The Big10 needs another academic school (ie. bad at athletics school) to balance out Northwestern. Cal for the win...er, loss.
Maybe teh BiG takes Davis instead. Cal with 2 quick 3-and-outs, both ending with a sack; meanwhile, Davis just rolling down the field to take the lead.
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In reply to Big Dog • 1:39p, 9/3/22
Big Dog said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The Big10 needs another academic school (ie. bad at athletics school) to balance out Northwestern. Cal for the win...er, loss.
Maybe teh BiG takes Davis instead. Cal with 2 quick 3-and-outs, both ending with a sack; meanwhile, Davis just rolling down the field to take the lead.


That doesn't sound good
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In reply to Big Dog • 2:52p, 9/3/22
Big Dog said:
82gradDLSdad said:
The Big10 needs another academic school (ie. bad at athletics school) to balance out Northwestern. Cal for the win...er, loss.
Maybe teh BiG takes Davis instead. Cal with 2 quick 3-and-outs, both ending with a sack; meanwhile, Davis just rolling down the field to take the lead.


Remind me again which P5 Northern California team actually lost to UC Davis a while back? The memory escapes me
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In reply to Sebastabear • 7:05p, 9/3/22
had to look it up. turns out both farm and cal have 3 wins over the aggies..
https://calbears.com/sports/football/opponent-history/uc-davis/32
https://gostanford.com/sports/football/opponent-history/uc-davis/3084
farm loss to davis 9/17/2005, 17 - 20
https://gostanford.com/news/2005/9/17/208069191.aspx
muting ~250 handles, turnaround is fair play
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In reply to smh • 8:24p, 9/3/22
smh said:
had to look it up. turns out both farm and cal have 3 wins over the aggies..
https://calbears.com/sports/football/opponent-history/uc-davis/32
https://gostanford.com/sports/football/opponent-history/uc-davis/3084
farm loss to davis 9/17/2005, 17 - 20
https://gostanford.com/news/2005/9/17/208069191.aspx
Ah yes. Thank you for the reminder. I guess as embarrassing as that loss was for the entire PAC 10 at the time, at least it insured that no Stanford fan would ever be obtuse enough to show up on Bear Insider and mock our play against the Aggies of all teams. Because that would just be ridiculous.
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9:25a, 9/6/22
CFO of Pac12 says Cal along with stanfurd, Washington & Oregon have been invited to be members of the Big 10.
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In reply to Dgoldnbaer • 9:41a, 9/6/22
Dgoldnbaer said:
CFO of Pac12 says Cal along with stanfurd, Washington & Oregon have been invited to be members of the Big 10.


reference?
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In reply to Strykur • 10:00a, 9/6/22
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.
So we're trying to jump to the Big Ten so we can have more money. Money is CRUCIAL to be competitive.
But we're switching to a conference with much harder competition, so we'll be less competitive.

Ok, got it!

And yes, I understand this is the reality of the current college football environment. But when you're chasing money for money's sake, why are you doing it? Who really benefits? Will this improve the game on the field? Will this improve the game-day experience for Cal fans? Will this improve the college football experience for Cal students? Or will the main improvement for fans really just be the spectacle/presentation piped into our homes that we can watch on our 85" screens with all our personal creature comforts? (And no inconveniences like east-side stadium temps, parking hassles and all the rest.)

Oh and the TRUE beneficiaries? Everyone feeding at the trough that is college football, mainly the head coaches, their coordinators, and the top-level execs. throughout the system. THEY are the ones to realize the big benefits of the current system.

Is that really what "student athletes" should be playing for?
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10:17a, 9/6/22
Disgusting. Want no part of the big Disaster ,
Go Bears!
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In reply to Dgoldnbaer • 10:19a, 9/6/22
Dgoldnbaer said:
CFO of Pac12 says Cal along with stanfurd, Washington & Oregon have been invited to be members of the Big 10.
Where are you seeing that?
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In reply to Dgoldnbaer • 10:26a, 9/6/22
Dgoldnbaer said:
CFO of Pac12 says Cal along with stanfurd, Washington & Oregon have been invited to be members of the Big 10.
If this was true one of the 4 would have accepted in the 1 hour since you posted this news (that's a little tongue in cheek, btw. And I hope you are right)
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 10:34a, 9/6/22
tequila4kapp said:
Dgoldnbaer said:
CFO of Pac12 says Cal along with stanfurd, Washington & Oregon have been invited to be members of the Big 10.
If this was true one of the 4 would have accepted in the 1 hour since you posted this news (that's a little tongue in cheek, btw. And I hope you are right)


Crazy if true. Even if so we still have to sweat this out. Queue the Seinfeld episode - you can't just hold the invitation, you have to accept it! I can easily envision a scenario where Christ and Knowlton come up with some absurd idea not to accept.
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In reply to TandemBear • 10:37a, 9/6/22
TandemBear said:
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.
So we're trying to jump to the Big Ten so we can have more money. Money is CRUCIAL to be competitive.
But we're switching to a conference with much harder competition, so we'll be less competitive.

Ok, got it!

And yes, I understand this is the reality of the current college football environment. But when you're chasing money for money's sake, why are you doing it? Who really benefits? Will this improve the game on the field? Will this improve the game-day experience for Cal fans? Will this improve the college football experience for Cal students? Or will the main improvement for fans really just be the spectacle/presentation piped into our homes that we can watch on our 85" screens with all our personal creature comforts? (And no inconveniences like east-side stadium temps, parking hassles and all the rest.)

Oh and the TRUE beneficiaries? Everyone feeding at the trough that is college football, mainly the head coaches, their coordinators, and the top-level execs. throughout the system. THEY are the ones to realize the big benefits of the current system.

Is that really what "student athletes" should be playing for?
Besides the coaches (as you mention), the other beneficiaries would be the non-rev sports as they could continue to exist. (no way Cal could field 30 D1 sports on a Mountain West budget.)
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In reply to Big Dog • 11:26a, 9/6/22
Big Dog said:
TandemBear said:
Strykur said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
Strykur said:
golden sloth said:
sycasey said:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-big-ten-targeting-5-major-schools-for-conference-expansion

Quote:
The Big Ten is reportedly "targeting" five schools for expansion, including Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington and two more Pac-12 schools. Those final two programs likely include Cal and Stanford.
There would also be an expanded College football playoff.
It just did.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34509443/board-managers-decide-12-team-college-football-playoff-sources-say

This actually creates an incentive to stay in the Pac-12.
Except for the $$$
Yeah unless we routinely make playoff trips in a stripped-down PAC-12, better to take the money in the Big Ten even if it means we're getting beaten up a bit.
So we're trying to jump to the Big Ten so we can have more money. Money is CRUCIAL to be competitive.
But we're switching to a conference with much harder competition, so we'll be less competitive.

Ok, got it!

And yes, I understand this is the reality of the current college football environment. But when you're chasing money for money's sake, why are you doing it? Who really benefits? Will this improve the game on the field? Will this improve the game-day experience for Cal fans? Will this improve the college football experience for Cal students? Or will the main improvement for fans really just be the spectacle/presentation piped into our homes that we can watch on our 85" screens with all our personal creature comforts? (And no inconveniences like east-side stadium temps, parking hassles and all the rest.)

Oh and the TRUE beneficiaries? Everyone feeding at the trough that is college football, mainly the head coaches, their coordinators, and the top-level execs. throughout the system. THEY are the ones to realize the big benefits of the current system.

Is that really what "student athletes" should be playing for?
Besides the coaches (as you mention), the other beneficiaries would be the non-rev sports as they could continue to exist. (no way Cal could field 30 D1 sports on a Mountain West budget.)
The schools benefit since they get 600 or so students paid for (or in Stanford's case about 900 students out of 7,500 undergrads). There is all the branding and exposure benefits that marketing folks can elaborate upon. There is that some kids want to go to a college with big time sports, Greek scene and all that entails, so it helps admissions, and I might add that successful athletic programs effective marketing tool and its student engagement departments, and then, indirectly, football games are also key fundraising events for departments across campus if they have a clue about fundraising. This may be hard to hear, but for most alums the only drawing point to go back to campus is sports, and it also is the only starting connection for many donors to campus.

Edit NIL or pay for play are more nuanced issues
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11:29a, 9/6/22
Best friend's neighbor in Alamo is the CFO of Pac12 - it's how word got out to me. Since friend is devout Catholic, i have no reason to doubt his word. He will never tell a lie. I will carry his word to my grave. I'm 100% sure of this happening - and - Cal & Stanford are to make joint announcement. WHEN is the question????
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11:34a, 9/6/22
In reality, it all makes perfect sense for Cal, Washinton, Oregon & Stanford to make joint move to the Big 10. This way there will be a Pacific division in it & will save millions of dollars re; traveling $$ for the non revenue producing sports. ie; every sport excluding football & men's bball.
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In reply to Dgoldnbaer • 11:35a, 9/6/22
Dgoldnbaer said:
Best friend's neighbor in Alamo is the CFO of Pac12 - it's how word got out to me. Since friend is devout Catholic, i have no reason to doubt his word. He will never tell a lie. I will carry his word to my grave. I'm 100% sure of this happening - and - Cal & Stanford are to make joint announcement. WHEN is the question????
Dude this is pretty crazy but if it's for real, will go down as pretty legendary Boston Market type lore. I'm down for the experience whatever happens. You should really start a new thread though to announce this. Will be much more fun that way.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 11:40a, 9/6/22
I thought of posting it on new separate thread - but - want to see the reaction here first.
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In reply to Dgoldnbaer • 11:43a, 9/6/22
Dgoldnbaer said:
Best friend's neighbor in Alamo is the CFO of Pac12 - it's how word got out to me. Since friend is devout Catholic, i have no reason to doubt his word. He will never tell a lie. I will carry his word to my grave. I'm 100% sure of this happening - and - Cal & Stanford are to make joint announcement. WHEN is the question????

This sounded like, "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night," but I did a little digging and can confirm that the Pac-12 CFO, Brent Willman, lives in Alamo.
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11:46a, 9/6/22
Well, the Pac-12 CFO, Brent Willman, does indeed live in Alamo, so this may indeed be a Boston Market meets Berkeley Bowl scenario, but the garnish on this dish is delicious.
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11:57a, 9/6/22
I guarantee EVERYONE this is no bullsh__!! I've known the source for 62 years and as I said, he's a devout Catholic. So much so that since 1960, he's missed going to Mass less than 20 times. He even attends midweek masses. And I should have clarified - he's a devout Irish catholic. We attended parochial school for 8 years together - from '64 to '69 I took him (my dad) to Cal games. And despite his faith, he'll be rooting for the Bear's when they're in South Bend on 9/17. Again, no reason for him to tell me the news yesterday if not true.
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12:09p, 9/6/22
I think given the source/provenance of your rumor and how different it is from everything else being discussed here, it would be a worthwhile stand alone thread. If it turns out to be true, it will be great to have it catalogued there. If for whatever reason it does not, we can just pretend like it never happened!

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12:12p, 9/6/22
I think Brent Willman will no longer be inviting his Catholic neighbor over for drinks. Will probably build a bigger fence. Or Kliavkoff will be looking for a new CFO.
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12:14p, 9/6/22
I don't doubt the validity of what he's saying. I can only PRAY that the reason there's no announcement yet is because we are working out the details and logistics of officially moving conferences. If we find a way to say no to this...
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In reply to bluehenbear • 12:22p, 9/6/22
This is 75% of reason why I didn't post this on it's own thread! I thought mentioning it here, on this thread, would be best low-key way to 'mankind's it.
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Error re; previous post. Should say, 'announce' instead mankind's. Sorry about that!
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