Sactowndog said:
ferCALgm2 said:
Bowlesman80 said:
Born (late 50s) and raised in Modesto.
Lived there, mostly, through 2011; saw the town go through some changes:
1. 30K to 300+K population
2. Stores closed on Sundays and open late only Thursdays to mostly 7 days a week, with some 24/7.
3. People waving to strangers to menacing looks, now
4. Crime practically zero to record crimes against persons and property
The Bay Area does not send its best. Understandably, many of the new neighbors are lower income escaping inner city crime in the Bay Area, hoping their children get away from the influences of gangs, except, too often, they bring the gang life with them. Our town was not perfect before, maybe just more manageable being smaller. Yes, the air quality is bad, but owing to a thermal layer holding the polluted air in and a good share of the bad air seeps right over the Altamont from the Bay Area, which seems to honestly believe it has no part in California's pollutions problems, since the air there is clean. One could probably hear the same story about Livermore Valley, Santa Clara Valley, Napa Valley, and more, but I am just throwing out my own experience. I used to enjoy San Francisco, too, ten times more when it it was much smaller. I think the density of population is the core problem and makes people feel confined like zoo animals.
Anyway. Snottin' on the Valley is more symptomatic of urban hubris than any else. Trash talk, pure and simple. And not all Cal Bears come from the high and mighty urban jungle, so we do not become a house divided, I would ask our fellow Bears not to throw batteries at the Valley. LOL
I think all this piling against the Valley is because of that Fresno St fan that kept posting repeatedly about how UC Berkeley is to blame for all Fresno State's academics problems and in extension Valley's financial problems. He wouldn't stop and everyone grew tired of him quick.
The posts I have posted have been largely factual. You call UCLA your little brother and yet conversely don't want to take ownership of the UC lobbying against the Cal States. Anyone who has been around this state is well aware the Bay Area runs it. It sure as hell isn't UC Santa Cruz leading those efforts. You may support that position like CalStrong which is fine.
There has been anti valley comments (and especially anti Fresno) long before I posted on this board. I have responded to people grouping Fresno with San Jose State and UNR. Both schools struggle with small fan bases, stadiums issues and low TV exposure. If a merge occurs they may not make the cut. Fresno led the league in attendance and has the second best TV numbers. I may not particularly like Cal but I don't compare you to WSU. It would be disrespectful. But with some exceptions it's mostly disrespect flowing from Cal fans.
And yes Cal fans had bad moments at Fresno. I can also say many Fresno fans left Candlestick early due to rude and demeaning comments from Cal fans. I can assure the poor behavior goes both ways. Those problems are not present when Fresno travels to UCLA or USC. Only Cal.
This is the first I have ever heard of $C being civil. Are you sure it was $C?
You know, what others are saying is valid. On a thread specifically about Cal's new conference talks you seem determined to hijack the thread and make it about CSUF. Here's a fact about the State's college and university systems, each have different missions. Community colleges are the most inclusive and offer opportunities to the greatest spectrum of students. Next comes the Cal States, which are supposed be a next-step, four year commuter school, with some graduate education possibilities; by design there should be one, usually, within 30 minutes of most Californians. Finally, there are there are the U.C. campuses with the most exclusive, competitive admissions standards and the highest level of graduate level research and education. That's it; no conspiracy, just design. I remember when they were finding a site for U.C. Merced; the criteria was more complicated than Cal States, including proximity to an international airport (oddly enough, FAT was the airport that qualified the Merced site). Football culture, minus asshat fan behavior, is a celebration of one's school spirit.
Fresno is not in any danger of being relegated; Cal is. That's what's on our minds especially on this thread. You're coming across as needy, so what gives? You don't seem to have a dog in this hunt, but maybe start another thread expressing your concerns. But, as for research and the essential focus of each tier of the California public college system, that's all by design, with, I believe, the Cal Polys being the top level Cal States.
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