sounds like the Jets and Packers aren't that close to agreeing on the trade terms. should be interesting.

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sounds like the Jets and Packers aren't that close to agreeing on the trade terms. should be interesting.

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That would explain AR's announcement, intended to reduce the Packers' leverage to almost zero so that they have to take whatever deal the Jets offer.

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philbert said:

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sounds like the Jets and Packers aren't that close to agreeing on the trade terms. should be interesting.

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That would explain AR's announcement, intended to reduce the Packers' leverage to almost zero so that they have to take whatever deal the Jets offer.

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With Aaron Rodgers making his plans for 2023 publicly known today, it's actually easier for the Packers to continue to wait for the Jets to blink. https://t.co/neiFUAGwm6

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 15, 2023

Aaron Rodgers, on his way out of Green Bay, just helped out the Packers franchise immensely.
The Jets fan base is now at a fevered pitch, just waiting for management to do this deal.
Packers have no timetable, no need to hurry, can just wait for the Jets to cave to their price.

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 15, 2023

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philbert said:

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sounds like the Jets and Packers aren't that close to agreeing on the trade terms. should be interesting.

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That would explain AR's announcement, intended to reduce the Packers' leverage to almost zero so that they have to take whatever deal the Jets offer.

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With Aaron Rodgers making his plans for 2023 publicly known today, it's actually easier for the Packers to continue to wait for the Jets to blink. https://t.co/neiFUAGwm6

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 15, 2023

Aaron Rodgers, on his way out of Green Bay, just helped out the Packers franchise immensely.
The Jets fan base is now at a fevered pitch, just waiting for management to do this deal.
Packers have no timetable, no need to hurry, can just wait for the Jets to cave to their price.

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 15, 2023

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I think they've got it wrong, but if the Jets cough up two 1st-round picks in the deal, then maybe they're right. Otherwise, they're not.

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philbert said:

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sounds like the Jets and Packers aren't that close to agreeing on the trade terms. should be interesting.

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That would explain AR's announcement, intended to reduce the Packers' leverage to almost zero so that they have to take whatever deal the Jets offer.

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With Aaron Rodgers making his plans for 2023 publicly known today, it's actually easier for the Packers to continue to wait for the Jets to blink. https://t.co/neiFUAGwm6

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 15, 2023

Aaron Rodgers, on his way out of Green Bay, just helped out the Packers franchise immensely.
The Jets fan base is now at a fevered pitch, just waiting for management to do this deal.
Packers have no timetable, no need to hurry, can just wait for the Jets to cave to their price.

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 15, 2023

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I think they've got it wrong, but if the Jets cough up two 1st-round picks in the deal, then maybe they're right. Otherwise, they're not.

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Aaron Rodgers gave the @Packers one heck of a parting gift Wednesday …

Leverage.

We got that and another set of free agency notes—on Zach Wilson, the @Patriots WRs, QB economics, the @MiamiDolphins’ big trade/edge and a whole lot more. It’s all here 👇https://t.co/WWb8Zsyy0m

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) March 16, 2023

"We always knew the Jets wanted Aaron Rodgers, now we know that Aaron Rodgers wants the Jets. What we don't know is whether the Packers will agree to this."@minakimes says Green Bay has all the leverage in this potential trade. pic.twitter.com/Y1WLZOMp1H

— Around the Horn (@AroundtheHorn) March 15, 2023

If I am Gutekunst, I am ok with this taking all the way until the draft to sort out. If I don't get what I want in the trade, I'm not giving the Jets & Rodgers what they want either. Gutey holds more leverage than most people think. The Jets & Rodgers need this more than GB.

— Dave Schroeder (@SchroederWBAY) March 15, 2023

“I’m not going to give up his rights for less than market value when it costs me money to do it.”
 @JasonFitz on why the Packers have leverage in Aaron Rodgers’ trade negotiations with the #Jets.
 @FitzandHarry pic.twitter.com/zyrbIyYY1H

— ESPN Radio (@ESPNRadio) March 15, 2023

GB will take a 40M cap hit if/when they trade him. How much different will that cap hit be if he retires after the draft?

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GB will take a 40M cap hit if/when they trade him. How much different will that cap hit be if he retires after the draft?

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According to this article, AR is open to renegotiating his deal to lessen the cap hit, if he plays this season.

If there is no renegotiation, the cap hit is about the same whether he retires or is traded.

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philbert said:

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GB will take a 40M cap hit if/when they trade him. How much different will that cap hit be if he retires after the draft?

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According to this article, AR is open to renegotiating his deal to lessen the cap hit, if he plays this season.

If there is no renegotiation, the cap hit is about the same whether he retires or is traded.

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Sounds like if GB doesn't like what NY is offering, they can just wait it out unless they want to do AR a favor (which I doubt they will do). I was watching some NFL show the other day and one of the talking heads was saying NY was likely offering in the neighborhood of what they paid for Favre many years ago: a 4th round pick that could become a 3rd. I believe I read GB wanted two firsts. Can they meet in the middle or will this stay a stalemate?

Wow, Rodgers is friends with a Kennedy. Hopefully, Rodgers can get his new friend to imbue his wisdom to the Cal football team.

.💪🏼❤️ https://t.co/pAZRRLJHCy

— Aaron Rodgers (@AaronRodgers12) March 17, 2023

philbert said:

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GB will take a 40M cap hit if/when they trade him. How much different will that cap hit be if he retires after the draft?

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According to this article, AR is open to renegotiating his deal to lessen the cap hit, if he plays this season.

If there is no renegotiation, the cap hit is about the same whether he retires or is traded.

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Sounds like if GB doesn't like what NY is offering, they can just wait it out unless they want to do AR a favor (which I doubt they will do). I was watching some NFL show the other day and one of the talking heads was saying NY was likely offering in the neighborhood of what they paid for Favre many years ago: a 4th round pick that could become a 3rd. I believe I read GB wanted two firsts. Can they meet in the middle or will this stay a stalemate?

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Peter King was on some sports radio outlet a few days ago saying the only trade that makes sense to him is a 2nd rounder this year and conditional 1st or 2nd rounder in a future year or Rodgers plays more than one season.

Seems fair actually.

Rodgers will get about $60 million cash to play this year regardless of where he plays, and that's enough cash that I think he will play regardless, even if it means returning to the pack. The packers also have incentive to get this done quickly because they need to bring in other players and set their roster too. While he packers have an option to defer the $60 million to be paid in later years, it would then still be $60 million against the cap in future years too. So if Rodgers stays, that's no draft picks and $60 million less cap. (It would be absolutely silly to play Love over Rodgers this year).

Rodgers should probably come out and say he's 100% in for this year, but undecided for 2024 win the inclination to retire. That would lower his trade value to about what King suggests and scare the packers into moving him now to avoid having a love/rodgers issue.

I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I love sarcasm. I'm a big fan of pettiness. But when its poor quality, then its another thing. His post smacks of Qanon, anti-govt, fight for my rahts, that has unnecessarily killed people. As for my personal experience, I got two Pfizer in 2020. I had one booster, 4 days before Christmas Eve, 2021. On Xmas Eve I had a house full of family with 2 who were sick, but didn't know they had covid. It took nearly everyone down in my house (at least 20 people), including my family (5). No one was wearing a mask. Most in the house were vaxxed. But none were hospitalized, and recovered after a week. As for me - I never got sick. Despite close contact. Who knows. Anyways. We move on.

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rkt88edmo said:

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I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I was covid free until I got Omicron 4 months after my third shot. Was fairly sick for a week with 2 days of intense coughing that required medication. Despite CDC guidance, I don't plan on getting a 4th shot.

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That's sorta where I'm at. I'll mask up hardcore if things come back, and only plan to vax if a strain that is both highly virulent and contagious shows up and the vax is known to be effective against that strain.

Jets GM Joe Douglas on Aaron

Video of Douglas telling fans Aaron Rodgers is coming. https://t.co/KlB8djVE8d pic.twitter.com/pa6t6HCyH4

— uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) April 8, 2023

AR is the immunized GOAT.
I hope he gets to another Super Bowl!

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I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I love sarcasm. I'm a big fan of pettiness. But when its poor quality, then its another thing. His post smacks of Qanon, anti-govt, fight for my rahts, that has unnecessarily killed people. As for my personal experience, I got two Pfizer in 2020. I had one booster, 4 days before Christmas Eve, 2021. On Xmas Eve I had a house full of family with 2 who were sick, but didn't know they had covid. It took nearly everyone down in my house (at least 20 people), including my family (5). No one was wearing a mask. Most in the house were vaxxed. But none were hospitalized, and recovered after a week. As for me - I never got sick. Despite close contact. Who knows. Anyways. We move on.

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My personal experience, out here in Asia and nearby Pacific islands shut down and near universal masking was the norm. When the US surpassed 1 million deaths, Japan had only 20,000 and mostly around US military bases. Tokyo, the largest city in the world, had fewer deaths than any city in the US. South Korea tamped it out early with widespread testing. Taiwan tamped it out early they were playing baseball in front of live audiences by late Spring of 2020.

Meanwhile, the US had no coordinated policy and little testing apart from the sick, with politicized (even armed) resistance to lockdowns and masking. 10 friends and family members on the Mainland died of COVID, Including a few friends who went to Cal, even played football. My brother-in-law, who played basketball for Stanford in the early 80s, was all PAC-10 and drafted by the Lakers was found dead in his apartment. Just horrific. My nephew, an only child, became an orphan at 22.

My parents are both in their late 80's and have serious health challenges. My dad (who also played basketball for Stanford) has been fighting cancer, is undergoing chemo and us immuno-compromised. My mother is suffering from the effects of diabetes and has had to start regular dialysis. Fortunately both avoided COVID before the vaccine and are now fully vaccinated, but both recently tested COVID positive while hospitalized. They both had only minor symptoms. I believe the vaccine saved their lives and would have saved those, much younger and healthier, friends and family that I lost before the vaccine was available. Or just a sensible coordinated national effort to reduce transmission rates through, testing, quarantines, lock downs and masking until the vaccine was available for those who wanted it.

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I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I love sarcasm. I'm a big fan of pettiness. But when its poor quality, then its another thing. His post smacks of Qanon, anti-govt, fight for my rahts, that has unnecessarily killed people. As for my personal experience, I got two Pfizer in 2020. I had one booster, 4 days before Christmas Eve, 2021. On Xmas Eve I had a house full of family with 2 who were sick, but didn't know they had covid. It took nearly everyone down in my house (at least 20 people), including my family (5). No one was wearing a mask. Most in the house were vaxxed. But none were hospitalized, and recovered after a week. As for me - I never got sick. Despite close contact. Who knows. Anyways. We move on.

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My personal experience, out here in Asia and nearby Pacific islands shut down and near universal masking was the norm. When the US surpassed 1 million deaths, Japan had only 20,000 and mostly around US military bases. Tokyo, the largest city in the world, had fewer deaths than any city in the US. South Korea tamped it out early with widespread testing. Taiwan tamped it out early they were playing baseball in front of live audiences by late Spring of 2020.

Meanwhile, the US had no coordinated policy and little testing apart from the sick, with politicized (even armed) resistance to lockdowns and masking. 10 friends and family members on the Mainland died of COVID, Including a few friends who went to Cal, even played football. My brother-in-law, who played basketball for Stanford in the early 80s, was all PAC-10 and drafted by the Lakers was found dead in his apartment. Just horrific. My nephew, an only child, became an orphan at 22.

My parents are both in their late 80's and have serious health challenges. My dad (who also played basketball for Stanford) has been fighting cancer, is undergoing chemo and us immuno-compromised. My mother is suffering from the effects of diabetes and has had to start regular dialysis. Fortunately both avoided COVID before the vaccine and are now fully vaccinated, but both recently tested COVID positive while hospitalized. They both had only minor symptoms. I believe the vaccine saved their lives and would have saved those, much younger and healthier, friends and family that I lost before the vaccine was available. Or just a sensible coordinated national effort to reduce transmission rates through, testing, quarantines, lock downs and masking until the vaccine was available for those who wanted it.

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didn't most of those places that were strict mask wearers just delay the number of deaths. Eventually you're going to catch covid, inevitable and if you had serious comorbidities your risk of death skyrockets. I remember they went thru massive covid spreads well after it burned thru the USA. It probably also helped that they didn't force people infected with covid into elderly spaces like New York.

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I wish I could jump on board with that, but the data around the vax indicates it is pretty short term, I'd still rather take the vax than get covid again. I got it from a coworker who decided to come to work with a fever even though I was Moderna 3x (last shot was about 9 months prior to infection.)

So his sarcasm isn't totally unfounded.

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I love sarcasm. I'm a big fan of pettiness. But when its poor quality, then its another thing. His post smacks of Qanon, anti-govt, fight for my rahts, that has unnecessarily killed people. As for my personal experience, I got two Pfizer in 2020. I had one booster, 4 days before Christmas Eve, 2021. On Xmas Eve I had a house full of family with 2 who were sick, but didn't know they had covid. It took nearly everyone down in my house (at least 20 people), including my family (5). No one was wearing a mask. Most in the house were vaxxed. But none were hospitalized, and recovered after a week. As for me - I never got sick. Despite close contact. Who knows. Anyways. We move on.

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My personal experience, out here in Asia and nearby Pacific islands shut down and near universal masking was the norm. When the US surpassed 1 million deaths, Japan had only 20,000 and mostly around US military bases. Tokyo, the largest city in the world, had fewer deaths than any city in the US. South Korea tamped it out early with widespread testing. Taiwan tamped it out early they were playing baseball in front of live audiences by late Spring of 2020.

Meanwhile, the US had no coordinated policy and little testing apart from the sick, with politicized (even armed) resistance to lockdowns and masking. 10 friends and family members on the Mainland died of COVID, Including a few friends who went to Cal, even played football. My brother-in-law, who played basketball for Stanford in the early 80s, was all PAC-10 and drafted by the Lakers was found dead in his apartment. Just horrific. My nephew, an only child, became an orphan at 22.

My parents are both in their late 80's and have serious health challenges. My dad (who also played basketball for Stanford) has been fighting cancer, is undergoing chemo and us immuno-compromised. My mother is suffering from the effects of diabetes and has had to start regular dialysis. Fortunately both avoided COVID before the vaccine and are now fully vaccinated, but both recently tested COVID positive while hospitalized. They both had only minor symptoms. I believe the vaccine saved their lives and would have saved those, much younger and healthier, friends and family that I lost before the vaccine was available. Or just a sensible coordinated national effort to reduce transmission rates through, testing, quarantines, lock downs and masking until the vaccine was available for those who wanted it.

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didn't most of those places that were strict mask wearers just delay the number of deaths. Eventually you're going to catch covid, inevitable and if you had serious comorbidities your risk of death skyrockets. I remember they went thru massive covid spreads well after it burned thru the USA. It probably also helped that they didn't force people infected with covid into elderly spaces like New York.

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Yes Japan has now had over 33 million cases but has had only 74,000 deaths because they were able to reduce transmission and eliminate outbreaks using masking until most of the country was vaccinated.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

Or because they have drastically less obesity and diabetes. You know, things actually linked to COVID deaths and not wild speculation.

Trade compensation, per sources:

Jets get:
🏈Aaron Rodgers, pick No. 15, a 2023 5th-rd pick (No. 170).

Packers get:
🏈Pick No. 13, a 2023 2nd-rd pick (No. 42), a 6th-rd pick (No. 207), a conditional 2024 2nd-rd pick that becomes a 1st if Rodgers plays 65 percent of the plays. pic.twitter.com/Q2vUMfyZGH

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 24, 2023

Huh, despite all the leverage Aaron burned the Packers did not get two unconditional firsts. Amazing. Still more than I thought they would get.

This is basically AR for a 2nd rounder this year and a conditional 2nd rounder next year that could become a 1st. That's fair for someone of AR's stature who has a big salary number and who wanted out. Never thought GB would get two firsts plus other assets that they supposedly wanted.

I guess I'm a New York Jets fan now.

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I guess I'm a New York Jets fan now.

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My feelings about Rodgers are mixed, somewhat like his estranged family members, but I will definitely watch.