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In reply to sycasey • 11:13a, 2/10/26
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cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 12:09p, 2/10/26
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sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail

Might happen at some point, but so far I still get paid more than I would for that.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:41p, 2/10/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail

Might happen at some point, but so far I still get paid more than I would for that.


For the love of the game, not money.

Find the right school or district and you'd love the job
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A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2023 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after 30 years teaching Social Science.

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:54p, 2/10/26
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A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2024 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after roughly 33 years.


Pension? Post retirement benefits?
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:56p, 2/10/26
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DiabloWags said:
A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2024 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after roughly 33 years.


Pension? Post retirement benefits?

$115,800 to be exact.
Before pension and healthcare benefits which were $31,200.

Total Pay & Benefits in her final year: $153,000
Age: 56


"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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In reply to sycasey • 1:03p, 2/10/26
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.

Meanwhile dajo9 was trying to blow smoke up everybody's asses about how great the economy was under Biden and how low unemployment was. It's been a terrible economy for job seekers for a long time.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 1:05p, 2/10/26
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.. That was after 30 years teaching Social Science.

and back in the day, when i was in short pants >100K used to be a lotta money.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 1:10p, 2/10/26
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dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2024 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after roughly 33 years.


Pension? Post retirement benefits?

$115,800 to be exact.
Before pension and healthcare benefits which were $31,200.

Total Pay & Benefits in her final year: $153,000
Age: 56




But your friend still gets an income (pension) after working? Do they get Healthcare too?
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In reply to Aunburdened • 1:18p, 2/10/26
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.

Meanwhile dajo9 was trying to blow smoke up everybody's asses about how great the economy was under Biden and how low unemployment was. It's been a terrible economy for job seekers for a long time.

Seems like unemployment is about to get worse and now we will have smoke blown up our a**es by the Trump fans. So it goes.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:26p, 2/10/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.

Meanwhile dajo9 was trying to blow smoke up everybody's asses about how great the economy was under Biden and how low unemployment was. It's been a terrible economy for job seekers for a long time.

Seems like unemployment is about to get worse and now we will have smoke blown up our a**es by the Trump fans. So it goes.

That's why it's great to be a critic of both sides. You should try it sometime.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:55p, 2/10/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.

Meanwhile dajo9 was trying to blow smoke up everybody's asses about how great the economy was under Biden and how low unemployment was. It's been a terrible economy for job seekers for a long time.

Seems like unemployment is about to get worse and now we will have smoke blown up our a**es by the Trump fans. So it goes.


Unemployment was below 4.0% as late as May 2024
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In reply to Aunburdened • 2:03p, 2/10/26
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sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.

Meanwhile dajo9 was trying to blow smoke up everybody's asses about how great the economy was under Biden and how low unemployment was. It's been a terrible economy for job seekers for a long time.

Seems like unemployment is about to get worse and now we will have smoke blown up our a**es by the Trump fans. So it goes.

That's why it's great to be a critic of both sides. You should try it sometime.

Oh don't worry, the Biden experience has shown me plenty of that.
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:10p, 2/10/26
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DiabloWags said:
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2024 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after roughly 33 years.


Pension? Post retirement benefits?

$115,800 to be exact.
Before pension and healthcare benefits which were $31,200.

Total Pay & Benefits in her final year: $153,000
Age: 56




But your friend still gets an income (pension) after working? Do they get Healthcare too?

In California, if you retire from public school teaching at age 56, your pension will take a pretty big hit, compared to if you waited until 62 or 63.

When I retired, my school district paid for 50% of my health care until Medicare kicked in, but it's not necessarily like that in every district.
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In reply to Big C • 2:14p, 2/10/26
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dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2024 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after roughly 33 years.


Pension? Post retirement benefits?

$115,800 to be exact.
Before pension and healthcare benefits which were $31,200.

Total Pay & Benefits in her final year: $153,000
Age: 56




But your friend still gets an income (pension) after working? Do they get Healthcare too?

In California, if you retire from public school teaching at age 56, your pension will take a pretty big hit, compared to if you waited until 62 or 63.

When I retired, my school district paid for 50% of my health care until Medicare kicked in, but it's not necessarily like that in every district.


Somebody like me will pay for my retirement and healthcare (until 65) and that retired teachers retirement and healthcare (until 65).

My point is that we should all have healthcare and all have the same retirement plan. If that were true then teachers should get paid more.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 5:55p, 2/10/26
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A friend of mine that I coached in high school track who is a CAL alum teaches in the Acalanes High School District at my alma mater. She retired in 2023 and was making $115,000 salary + other pay got her up to $120,000

That was after 30 years teaching Social Science.



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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:03p, 2/10/26
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail

Might happen at some point, but so far I still get paid more than I would for that.


For the love of the game, not money.

Find the right school or district and you'd love the job

Perhaps one day. Anyway, this seems terrifying:

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In reply to sycasey • 6:08p, 2/10/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail

Might happen at some point, but so far I still get paid more than I would for that.


For the love of the game, not money.

Find the right school or district and you'd love the job

Perhaps one day. Anyway, this seems terrifying:



Interesting read, thanks for sharing
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6:16p, 2/10/26
Claims about the bad job market seem correct.

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:27p, 2/10/26
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail


Could do it except for two things. Field trips and the parents.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:30p, 2/10/26
Aunburdened said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail


Could do it except for two things. Field trips and the parents.


Most field trips are pretty chill. Many parents are pretty chill. It's the other group of parents that drive teachers crazy
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:41p, 2/10/26
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Aunburdened said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail


Could do it except for two things. Field trips and the parents.


Most field trips are pretty chill. Many parents are pretty chill. It's the other group of parents that drive teachers crazy


It's not that. I just volunteered to drive to enough elementary school field trips as a parent that I realized that most of them were boring as hell. What I liked far more was volunteering in the classes and helping kids with reading and math. But I spent a large part of my life working in a non teaching role at a high school and that brought into sharp relief how insufferable the parents are.

Nothing rankles me like people that think teachers are overpaid and get too much time off. Most ignorant opinion that exists.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:49p, 2/10/26
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BearlySane88 said:
Aunburdened said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
cal83dls79 said:
Interesting chart. (WSJ). People with jobs are holding on, some for dear life. Replacement jobs dwindling. Not a place to be if you are aging out and want to squeeze out a few more $$$ while on in the gravy train years. Been thru a few of these…what typically ensues is mgt goes looking around to cut dead weight

Been laid off twice since that number started dropping, each time forced to take less money because the options were not great (and I felt lucky to get hired the last time). Can confirm this is how it is.


Start teaching, always job openings after people realize they can't cut it or get too frustrated with admin and parents and bail


Could do it except for two things. Field trips and the parents.


Most field trips are pretty chill. Many parents are pretty chill. It's the other group of parents that drive teachers crazy


It's not that. I just volunteered to drive to enough elementary school field trips as a parent that I realized that most of them were boring as hell. What I liked far more was volunteering in the classes and helping kids with reading and math. But I spent a large part of my life working in a non teaching role at a high school and that brought into sharp relief how insufferable the parents are.

Nothing rankles me like people that think teachers are overpaid and get too much time off. Most ignorant opinion that exists.


Get back in the classroom! The field needs people that enjoy the actual teaching. The rest can be a lot but it's usually worth it
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11:20p, 2/10/26
Stephen Moore confirms the real median income has risen to $2,400 over the last 12 months.

"What that's saying is people's incomes are rising faster than inflation rate."

Newsom / Democrats

New York Post: Electricity bills in California spiked 39% over six years the most in the country

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Stephen Moore confirms the real median income has risen to $2,400 over the last 12 months.

"What that's saying is people's incomes are rising faster than inflation rate."

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In reply to sycasey • 11:58p, 2/10/26
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Claims about the bad job market seem correct.



Will the magats flip out like they used to when Biden was President?
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:01a, 2/11/26
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sycasey said:
Claims about the bad job market seem correct.



Will the magats flip out like they used to when Biden was President?

You are of course referring to the period where you were lying about how great the economy was? I don't know if they will be as intellectually dishonest as you. It's a high bar to clear.

movielover gave it a good shot tonight though.
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In reply to dajo9 • 4:57a, 2/11/26
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Job growth by year since Obama's 2nd term recovery from the Great Recession. The worst 3 years are the last 3 years Trump has been President.

2021 - 7.2 million Biden
2022 - 4.6 million Biden
2014 - 3.0 million Obama
2015 - 2.7 million Obama
2023 - 2.6 million Biden
2016 - 2.3 million Obama
2018 - 2.3 million Trump
2013 - 2.1 million Obama
2017 - 2.1 million Trump
2024 - 2.0 million Biden
2019 - 2.0 million Trump
2025 - 0.6 million Trump (revisions to come)
2020 - (9.2) million Trump

If you want to cry about covid (but still blame Biden for covid inflation) I can remove the jobs lost and recovered. It doesn't change the story that Trump is a terrible jobs President.

2014 - 3.0 million Obama
2015 - 2.7 million Obama
2022 - 2.6 million Biden
2023 - 2.6 million Biden
2016 - 2.3 million Obama
2018 - 2.3 million Trump
2013 - 2.1 million Obama
2017 - 2.1 million Trump
2024 - 2.0 million Biden
2019 - 2.0 million Trump
2025 - 0.6 million Trump (revisions to come)


The economy was good when Biden was President
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:08a, 2/11/26
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dajo9 said:
Job growth by year since Obama's 2nd term recovery from the Great Recession. The worst 3 years are the last 3 years Trump has been President.

2021 - 7.2 million Biden
2022 - 4.6 million Biden
2014 - 3.0 million Obama
2015 - 2.7 million Obama
2023 - 2.6 million Biden
2016 - 2.3 million Obama
2018 - 2.3 million Trump
2013 - 2.1 million Obama
2017 - 2.1 million Trump
2024 - 2.0 million Biden
2019 - 2.0 million Trump
2025 - 0.6 million Trump (revisions to come)
2020 - (9.2) million Trump

If you want to cry about covid (but still blame Biden for covid inflation) I can remove the jobs lost and recovered. It doesn't change the story that Trump is a terrible jobs President.

2014 - 3.0 million Obama
2015 - 2.7 million Obama
2022 - 2.6 million Biden
2023 - 2.6 million Biden
2016 - 2.3 million Obama
2018 - 2.3 million Trump
2013 - 2.1 million Obama
2017 - 2.1 million Trump
2024 - 2.0 million Biden
2019 - 2.0 million Trump
2025 - 0.6 million Trump (revisions to come)


The economy was good when Biden was President
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5:43a, 2/11/26
The economy has been degrading steadily in recent times:



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6:45a, 2/11/26
If Trump maintains the January job growth rate all year then the worst 4 years of job growth since Obama's 2nd term will be the last 4 Trump years. Trump is a jobs disaster.
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:02a, 2/11/26
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If Trump maintains the January job growth rate all year then the worst 4 years of job growth since Obama's 2nd term will be the last 4 Trump years. Trump is a jobs disaster.


That seems about right. Trump was president during COVID, which shut down tons of jobs. Biden was president during the reopening and tons of tax money was flooded into the economy. Trump is again president and the economy is tightening, and AI is taking jobs.
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