I believe that most are born man or woman. Some aren't. A tiny tiny tiny amount. I do not believe you can change from one to the other

And biologist largely agree with me… what's your point bro?

Pictures of Tyler Robinson and family coming out. Seems like a standard red state gun obsessed household. Also some kind of Pepe the frog fascination we'll learn about.

Whatever his ideology is, he will reap what he's sown.

dajo9 said:

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Pictures of Tyler Robinson and family coming out. Seems like a standard red state gun obsessed household. Also some kind of Pepe the frog fascination we'll learn about.

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And all of my MAGA friends on Facebook had this guy pegged as TRANS.
lol

BearlySane88 said:

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Raising a child or not has no bearing on science

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It helps inform.
What is life?
What is sacred?
What is sacred about the term "life".
A blade of grass is life.
An ant is more evolved life.

A sperm, an egg, a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus, a developing baby, a newborn, a toddler.
A chimp goes through these same developmental phases. Are they holy?

Where and when does this biological Life you speak of begin and end? Why is it unique to humans?

I got to go through the process 5 times, plus a miscarriage or two, and ponder such questions as my children developed into their humanity - which did not begin when my sperm merged with my wife's ovum.

But, please, go ahead and tell me about "biology".

Then we have a different definition of biology I guess because I quoted where most biologist agree with my line of thinking.

Having a child or not, which by the way you have no idea if I have or haven't, does not change scientific fact. It changes emotion and feelings, not facts.

I'm so sorry for your loss(es?). Did you not weep for the miscarriage? Did you wife not feel like she lost a child?

I like to keep my family out of my business but I'll cross that line here, just for you. When my partner and I suffered a miscarriage, I lost my first child. Not my first "unalive parasite", my first child. Their name is Jordan. So kindly get the hell out of here with your holier than thou I know everything mentality. You don't know all that you think you do, plain and simple

BearlySane88 said:

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Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view.

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Okay.
This is life, too, right?




What is lost if this life is ended?
What is lost if a blastocyst is ended? Is it aware of that loss? Did it suffer any pain?


My point is, there a differences. There are levels.

DiabloWags said:

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. Wow.
Another Trumpist!
What do you know!!!

Tyler Robinson and Family

BearlySane88 said:

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Whatever his ideology is, he will reap what he's sown.

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Well, no.

Because we know this nation is a Christian nation. And Christians don't believe in the eye-for-an-eye death penalty. They believe in forgiveness!!!

DiabloWags said:

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Tyler Robinson and Family

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One of the brothers is gay.
He was sticking up for his brother.
(My speculation).

We Democrats and lefties are owed apologies by a lot of people starting with President Trump

Now it's time for " there is something for everyone"

"The list of messages on the suspect's casings, as described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, include apparent references to online culture and gaming. "Up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrow symbols," as described by Cox, may be a reference a sequence of moves on a controller that release a bomb in the video game "Helldivers." Another engraving, "Notices bulges OWO what's this?" is a phrase used for trolling in online roleplay communities


Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah says in a news conference that he thinks the engraving on an unfired cartridge that reads, "Hey, fascist! Catch!" is the one that most clearly shows the gunman's intent. "I think that speaks for itself," the governor says. The cartridge and others were found alongside the gun that officials say was used to kill Charlie Kirk."

God fearing Christian anti fascist and a good shot. He could post here

BearlySane88 said:

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I'm so sorry for your loss(es?). Did you not weep for the miscarriage? Did you wife not feel like she lost a child?

I like to keep my family out of my business but I'll cross that line here, just for you. When my partner and I suffered a miscarriage, I lost my first child. Not my first "unalive parasite", my first child. Their name is Jordan. So kindly get the hell out of here with your holier than thou I know everything mentality. You don't know all that you think you do, plain and simple

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No, we did not blink much. It happened between the other kids and extremely early in the process. We hardly had time to ponder it and she was pregnant again quickly in the natural cycle of things.

Your experience sounds completely different, very sad. And I am very sorry for your loss.

My comments here do not have anything to do with the very real loss you experienced.

My comments do not diminish your very real loss.

My sincere condolences.

Anarchistbear said:

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Now it's time for " there is something for everyone"

"The list of messages on the suspect's casings, as described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, include apparent references to online culture and gaming. "Up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrow symbols," as described by Cox, may be a reference a sequence of moves on a controller that release a bomb in the video game "Helldivers." Another engraving, "Notices bulges OWO what's this?" is a phrase used for trolling in online roleplay communities


Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah says in a news conference that he thinks the engraving on an unfired cartridge that reads, "Hey, fascist! Catch!" is the one that most clearly shows the gunman's intent. "I think that speaks for itself," the governor says. The cartridge and others were found alongside the gun that officials say was used to kill Charlie Kirk."

God fearing Christian anti fascist and a good shot. He could post here

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I thought that was a weak press conference!!!!!

Anarchistbear said:

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God fearing Christian anti fascist and a good shot. He could post here

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Utah governor spent time sharing his hope that it would be someone else, an outsider, one of the "others", and then expressing his disappointment that it was one of us.


Will they then reconsider the death penalty?


If it was some outsider, he'd be a monster.
Since it's one of their own: Poor kid
Got wrapped up in all the rhetoric and went about it the wrong way.

Bad TV. No chase, no manhunt. No police work. No conspiracies. Just some lost gamer kid

dajo9 said:

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We Democrats and lefties are owed apologies by a lot of people starting with President Trump

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That line of attack lasted until this morning.
Now what will they do?

Anarchistbear said:

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Bad TV. No chase, no manhunt. No police work. No conspiracies. Just some lost gamer kid

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Yup.

Looks like the Trumpanzees have taken a 'break" and are awaiting more talking "points" from their master.
They must be terribly disappointed that this kid wasn't gay, trans, or black . . . or came from a gun-hating liberal family.

And turned in by his parents so no missing father. Check the family values box

Lol

CNN is discussing the possibility of trading a full confession for life in prison without the possibility for parole in exchange for no death penalty.

This is going to be very interesting because this guy appears to be as apple pie a kid as anyone else. How is MAGA going to hang him?

If he was any other color, Trump would be raging right now to "KILLLL HIMMM!!!!"

Anarchistbear said:

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And turned in by his parents so no missing father. Check the family values box

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Minister friend, too.

I'm guessing they are full on LDS

With the Naive hope that the OT board is a place for sometimes rational discussion which other father isn't shaken to the core on this (like watching Adolescence)? The suspect seems to have been raised in the environment we hope we are raising our kids in - 2 parents, involved community, good grades, pathway to college , etc. Not my cup of tea but many would say also a family centered in faith.

We have yet to learn more but if there was ever a moment to step back from the left-right culture wars it might be this to ask what the F is wrong and how are we losing our kids this way. My heart aches for everyone involved.

socaltownie said:

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With the Naive hope that the OT board is a place for sometimes rational discussion which other father isn't shaken to the core on this (like watching Adolescence)? The suspect seems to have been raised in the environment we hope we are raising our kids in - 2 parents, involved community, good grades, pathway to college , etc. Not my cup of tea but many would say also a family centered in faith.

We have yet to learn more but if there was ever a moment to step back from the left-right culture wars it might be this to ask what the F is wrong and how are we losing our kids this way. My heart aches for everyone involved.

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Strong disagree. That kid was raised in gun culture. I would never raise my son that way. My teenage son has asked me about getting a gun and / or going shooting and I have told him that as a minor he will never get my permission to shoot or have a gun.

The internet is poison and I fight that fight with my son. All the more reason to keep him clear of guns.

Anarchistbear said:

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And turned in by his parents so no missing father. Check the family values box

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Yeah the cops didn't even really have to do anything. The family turned him in.

DiabloWags said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Bad TV. No chase, no manhunt. No police work. No conspiracies. Just some lost gamer kid

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Yup.

Looks like the Trumpanzees have taken a 'break" and are awaiting more talking "points" from their master.
They must be terribly disappointed that this kid wasn't gay, trans, or black . . . or came from a gun-hating liberal family.

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I've already seen it on Twitter. The new line is that he was radicalized by Marxist college professors. I'm sure we'll see the flood of posts on this from the usual suspects soon.

Y'all might want to wait for the story to come out. Lot of posts here may not age well. Robinson purportedly has a lot of stuff on the internet.

wifeisafurd said:

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Y'all might want to wait for the story to come out. Lot of posts here may not age well. Robinson purportedly has a lot of stuff on the internet.

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Such is the nature of the Beast.

Konstantin Kisin - notice what we don't see.

https://instagr.am/p/DOf1BY7jCVB

wifeisafurd said:

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Y'all might want to wait for the story to come out. Lot of posts here may not age well. Robinson purportedly has a lot of stuff on the internet.

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My basic assumption is that he's going to have a very weird mish-mash of radical political opinions like the guy who shot at Trump.