dajo9 said:

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socaltownie said:

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With the Naive hope that the OT board is a place for sometimes rational discussion which other father isn't shaken to the core on this (like watching Adolescence)? The suspect seems to have been raised in the environment we hope we are raising our kids in - 2 parents, involved community, good grades, pathway to college , etc. Not my cup of tea but many would say also a family centered in faith.

We have yet to learn more but if there was ever a moment to step back from the left-right culture wars it might be this to ask what the F is wrong and how are we losing our kids this way. My heart aches for everyone involved.

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Strong disagree. That kid was raises in gun culture. I would never raise my son that way. My teenage son has asked me about getting a gun and / or going shooting and I have told him that as a minor he will never get my permission to shoot or have a gun.

The internet is poison and I fight that fight with my son. All the more reason to keep him clear of guns.

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I say this with respect but I feel like that is narrowly coastal Californian of you. Again, not my cup of tea but I recognize that millions of Americans are raised with DEEP roots in hunting culture and it is part of a multi-generational legacy.

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Yes and that culture is more poor, less productive, less educated, and dying from within. Our coastal culture is superior.

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Lol

But maybe we reproduce less, so….





No children, no immigration = pathway to economic decline.
Trump is an idiot.

movielover said:

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Have San Francisco murders really plummeted, or are the numbers rigged?

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The deep state is everywhere, man. This board? Run by deep state operatives. Get out while you can! (Think Unabomber.)

before and after learning the shooter was a cisgender white man pic.twitter.com/pLEJ1CXtvB

— matt (@mattxiv) September 12, 2025

When do we get a retraction from The Wall Street Journal for erroneously claiming the assassination was related to trans people? When do we get apologies from every journalist who spread that disinformation?

— Charlotte Clymer 🇺🇦 (@cmclymer) September 12, 2025

Anarchistbear said:

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Spectacle is over. C-. On to the next one

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Pretty much.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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dajo9 said:

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socaltownie said:

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With the Naive hope that the OT board is a place for sometimes rational discussion which other father isn't shaken to the core on this (like watching Adolescence)? The suspect seems to have been raised in the environment we hope we are raising our kids in - 2 parents, involved community, good grades, pathway to college , etc. Not my cup of tea but many would say also a family centered in faith.

We have yet to learn more but if there was ever a moment to step back from the left-right culture wars it might be this to ask what the F is wrong and how are we losing our kids this way. My heart aches for everyone involved.

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Strong disagree. That kid was raises in gun culture. I would never raise my son that way. My teenage son has asked me about getting a gun and / or going shooting and I have told him that as a minor he will never get my permission to shoot or have a gun.

The internet is poison and I fight that fight with my son. All the more reason to keep him clear of guns.

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I say this with respect but I feel like that is narrowly coastal Californian of you. Again, not my cup of tea but I recognize that millions of Americans are raised with DEEP roots in hunting culture and it is part of a multi-generational legacy.

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Yes and that culture is more poor, less productive, less educated, and dying from within. Our coastal culture is superior.

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^^ Dripping w arrogance.

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dajo9 said:

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socaltownie said:

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With the Naive hope that the OT board is a place for sometimes rational discussion which other father isn't shaken to the core on this (like watching Adolescence)? The suspect seems to have been raised in the environment we hope we are raising our kids in - 2 parents, involved community, good grades, pathway to college , etc. Not my cup of tea but many would say also a family centered in faith.

We have yet to learn more but if there was ever a moment to step back from the left-right culture wars it might be this to ask what the F is wrong and how are we losing our kids this way. My heart aches for everyone involved.

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Strong disagree. That kid was raises in gun culture. I would never raise my son that way. My teenage son has asked me about getting a gun and / or going shooting and I have told him that as a minor he will never get my permission to shoot or have a gun.

The internet is poison and I fight that fight with my son. All the more reason to keep him clear of guns.

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I say this with respect but I feel like that is narrowly coastal Californian of you. Again, not my cup of tea but I recognize that millions of Americans are raised with DEEP roots in hunting culture and it is part of a multi-generational legacy.

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Yes and that culture is more poor, less productive, less educated, and dying from within. Our coastal culture is superior.

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Lol

But maybe we reproduce less, so….





No children, no immigration = pathway to economic decline.
Trump is an idiot.

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Fail. He's NEVER said no immigration.

BearlySane88 said:

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You pay for the crimes you commit. He deserves to punished to the fullest extent of the law. Regardless of why he did it or who he is

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You deserve to be shot and killed for attempting to flee an ICE stop? That seems rather excessive.

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BearlySane88 said:

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You pay for the crimes you commit. He deserves to punished to the fullest extent of the law. Regardless of why he did it or who he is

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You deserve to be shot and killed for attempting to flee an ICE stop? That seems rather excessive.

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This is a prime example of MAGA WORLD.
The pure idiocy is truly remarkable.

Here's Kirk, in his own words. Many of his comments were documented by Media Matters for America, a progressive non-profit that tracks conservative media.


On race

If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you're a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024


If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they're coming out and they're saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

On debate

We record all of it so that we put [it] on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.

Kirk discussing his work in an undated clip that circulated on X after his killing.

Prove me wrong.

Kirk's challenge to students to publicly debate him during the tour of colleges he was on when he was assassinated.

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge.

Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025


The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

On gun violence

I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk's conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025


The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

On Islam

America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We've been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don't care, that's what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025


Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

On religion

There is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution. It's made up by secular humanists.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022

Dani Anguiano contributed reporting.

concordtom said:

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Here's Kirk, in his own words. Many of his comments were documented by Media Matters for America, a progressive non-profit that tracks conservative media.


On race

If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you're a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024


If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they're coming out and they're saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

On debate

We record all of it so that we put [it] on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.

Kirk discussing his work in an undated clip that circulated on X after his killing.

Prove me wrong.

Kirk's challenge to students to publicly debate him during the tour of colleges he was on when he was assassinated.

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge.

Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025


The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

On gun violence

I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk's conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025


The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

On Islam

America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We've been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don't care, that's what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025


Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

On religion

There is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution. It's made up by secular humanists.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022

Dani Anguiano contributed reporting.

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the best description I have read is that he was 4chan in a tight suit. These are essentially the statements of a troll who is monetizing outrage and attention. What a world.

pic.twitter.com/TWlObv8eOj

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) September 12, 2025

Their first step is to dehumanize.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

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I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

concordtom said:

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Here's Kirk, in his own words. Many of his comments were documented by Media Matters for America, a progressive non-profit that tracks conservative media.


On race

If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you're a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024


If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they're coming out and they're saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

On debate

We record all of it so that we put [it] on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.

Kirk discussing his work in an undated clip that circulated on X after his killing.

Prove me wrong.

Kirk's challenge to students to publicly debate him during the tour of colleges he was on when he was assassinated.

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge.

Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025


The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

On gun violence

I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk's conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025


The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

On Islam

America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We've been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don't care, that's what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025


Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

On religion

There is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution. It's made up by secular humanists.

The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022

Dani Anguiano contributed reporting.

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What is your point? That he deserved to be shot?

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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pic.twitter.com/TWlObv8eOj

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) September 12, 2025

Their first step is to dehumanize.

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We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.




PS: James woods is an idiot.

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

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I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

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Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.

Elon Musk's Grok AI identifies Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, as a "Groyper" from "the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem". pic.twitter.com/uiM48d2884

— I was warning about this back in 2005. (@brucewilson) September 12, 2025

I've seen some Millennials saying that Bella Ciao being on the casing means that the 22-yr old shooter was a leftist.

Here is a remix of Bella Ciao on the "Groyper War" America First playlist. Groyper War refers to their targeting of CHARLIE KIRK. pic.twitter.com/TDIXuvl5cj

— Mike from PA (@Mike_from_PA) September 12, 2025

GROYPERS are NOT beating the charges.

Anything can happen. So, I'll hedge a bit longer.

But Tyler Robinson is looking more and more like a far-right Groyper

This and the homophobic inscription "if you read this you're gay"

The call is coming from inside the house pic.twitter.com/e3hl2CdE7a

— Pastor Ben (@BenjaminPDixon) September 12, 2025

Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

BearGoggles said:

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What is your point? That he deserved to be shot?

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Woah!
Hold your horses there, Cowboy!

I am researching, getting to know the guy. I post to share.

If you have some bio or quotes about him, feel free to share with me.

Why Charlie Kirk Had No Counterpart on the Left

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-trump-vance-tpusa-republicans-democrats-00558094

concordtom said:

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We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.

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The gun toting people didn't bring their guns to the Capitol for the insurrection, superstar.

BearGoggles said:

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I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

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I would suggestion that the lionization of Kirk by the President makes this a fair topic of conversation. This isn't about whether or not there is any (there is not) justification for the shooting. It is 100% wrong and 100% preventable and 100% not Kirk's fault. But we reserve honors like lying in state in the US capital for the best among us. I do not think kirk reaches that level.

socaltownie said:

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the best description I have read is that he was 4chan in a tight suit. These are essentially the statements of a troll who is monetizing outrage and attention. What a world.

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Exactly.

And the world is probably better off without him.
Karma may have caught up with him.

Did Karma catch up to the Ukranian girl stabbed in the neck on the subway?

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Did Karma catch up to the Ukranian girl stabbed in the neck on the subway?

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I don't know.

Was she a racist?
Was she a Groyper?

sycasey said:

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Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.

Elon Musk's Grok AI identifies Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, as a "Groyper" from "the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem". pic.twitter.com/uiM48d2884

— I was warning about this back in 2005. (@brucewilson) September 12, 2025

I've seen some Millennials saying that Bella Ciao being on the casing means that the 22-yr old shooter was a leftist.

Here is a remix of Bella Ciao on the "Groyper War" America First playlist. Groyper War refers to their targeting of CHARLIE KIRK. pic.twitter.com/TDIXuvl5cj

— Mike from PA (@Mike_from_PA) September 12, 2025

GROYPERS are NOT beating the charges.

Anything can happen. So, I'll hedge a bit longer.

But Tyler Robinson is looking more and more like a far-right Groyper

This and the homophobic inscription "if you read this you're gay"

The call is coming from inside the house pic.twitter.com/e3hl2CdE7a

— Pastor Ben (@BenjaminPDixon) September 12, 2025

Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

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Wow!!!

If that turns out to be the case there is a whole lot of backtracking that is going to be occuring. Pass the popcorn.

DiabloWags said:

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socaltownie said:

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the best description I have read is that he was 4chan in a tight suit. These are essentially the statements of a troll who is monetizing outrage and attention. What a world.

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Exactly.

And the world is probably better off without him.
Karma may have caught up with him.

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My faith teaches me otherwise. But I understand the sentiment. Lord knows I have been called a troll (and people have expressed hatred) for me being a founding member of #teamdropdown ;-)

socaltownie said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.

Elon Musk's Grok AI identifies Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, as a "Groyper" from "the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem". pic.twitter.com/uiM48d2884

— I was warning about this back in 2005. (@brucewilson) September 12, 2025

I've seen some Millennials saying that Bella Ciao being on the casing means that the 22-yr old shooter was a leftist.

Here is a remix of Bella Ciao on the "Groyper War" America First playlist. Groyper War refers to their targeting of CHARLIE KIRK. pic.twitter.com/TDIXuvl5cj

— Mike from PA (@Mike_from_PA) September 12, 2025

GROYPERS are NOT beating the charges.

Anything can happen. So, I'll hedge a bit longer.

But Tyler Robinson is looking more and more like a far-right Groyper

This and the homophobic inscription "if you read this you're gay"

The call is coming from inside the house pic.twitter.com/e3hl2CdE7a

— Pastor Ben (@BenjaminPDixon) September 12, 2025

Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

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Wow!!!

If that turns out to be the case there is a whole lot of backtracking that is going to be occuring. Pass the popcorn.

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I should say that this isn't 100% confirmed. IMO the evidence leans in this direction but it is also possible that he just had generally confused politics and online activities that sometimes intersected with the Groyper set. He definitely was a Very Online radical kind of guy and does not fit the stereotypes originally being pushed on the right wing.

Anarchistbear said:

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Bad TV. No chase, no manhunt. No police work. No conspiracies. Just some lost gamer kid

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When OJ did the mic drop thing with the Ford Bronco parade, he pretty much ruined it for all the killers coming after him. How's anybody ever going to compete with that?!?

Charlie Kirk had discussed safety measures with a famed California security expert just six months before his assassination
https://mol.im/a/15087045

"He claimed he had warned the MAGA leader that he would '100 percent be killed at one of his upcoming university speaking events' unless he took drastic precautions……..

According to the expert, some of his proposals included using portable 'B7 level' ballistic bulletproof glass panels to protect Kirk from potential sniper attacks……..

'We recommended using metal detectors and handheld wands to screen everyone for a gun within 700 hundred feet of where Charlie would be speaking,' Herzog recalled."

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BearlySane88 said:

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You pay for the crimes you commit. He deserves to punished to the fullest extent of the law. Regardless of why he did it or who he is

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You deserve to be shot and killed for attempting to flee an ICE stop? That seems rather excessive.

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Premature racism. He tried to run over officers, one officer was drug by his car and suffered multiple injuries. Fail.

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Antifa and Hamas are somewhat similar. The left pretend like they don't exist.

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Why does our FBI refuse to shut down Antifa (like BLM), or are they a wing of the Democrat party?

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

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I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

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Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.

Elon Musk's Grok AI identifies Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, as a "Groyper" from "the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem". pic.twitter.com/uiM48d2884

— I was warning about this back in 2005. (@brucewilson) September 12, 2025

I've seen some Millennials saying that Bella Ciao being on the casing means that the 22-yr old shooter was a leftist.

Here is a remix of Bella Ciao on the "Groyper War" America First playlist. Groyper War refers to their targeting of CHARLIE KIRK. pic.twitter.com/TDIXuvl5cj

— Mike from PA (@Mike_from_PA) September 12, 2025

GROYPERS are NOT beating the charges.

Anything can happen. So, I'll hedge a bit longer.

But Tyler Robinson is looking more and more like a far-right Groyper

This and the homophobic inscription "if you read this you're gay"

The call is coming from inside the house pic.twitter.com/e3hl2CdE7a

— Pastor Ben (@BenjaminPDixon) September 12, 2025

Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

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Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Did Karma catch up to the Ukranian girl stabbed in the neck on the subway?

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Democrat and inner city policies caught up with her.

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Did Karma catch up to the Ukranian girl stabbed in the neck on the subway?

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I understand StalkerWags obsession w race and white guilt better now. I never knew Walnut Creek had a Klan history, even up through the 70s when he was in high school.

AI: "Historical context (Sundown Town): In the mid-20th century, Walnut Creek was known as a "sundown town," a community where Black people were not allowed to be present after dark."

Explains why he didn't have Black friends until Cal in his 20s.

NVBear78 said:

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Wow, a young husband and father was murdered and all you lefties (Edit Correction- should have stated SOME and not all) are celebrating because he held different opinions than you. This is sick, twisted and intolerant.

Your inability to allow an opinion different than yours actually started a long time ago but has come to full flower in recent years.

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Stephen A Smith comments on those celebrating the assassination of a young father:

Stephen A. Smith Goes Off on 'People Celebrating' Charlie Kirk's Death: 'Shame on You!'

Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

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I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

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Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.

Elon Musk's Grok AI identifies Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, as a "Groyper" from "the toxic underbelly of the MAGA ecosystem". pic.twitter.com/uiM48d2884

— I was warning about this back in 2005. (@brucewilson) September 12, 2025

I've seen some Millennials saying that Bella Ciao being on the casing means that the 22-yr old shooter was a leftist.

Here is a remix of Bella Ciao on the "Groyper War" America First playlist. Groyper War refers to their targeting of CHARLIE KIRK. pic.twitter.com/TDIXuvl5cj

— Mike from PA (@Mike_from_PA) September 12, 2025

GROYPERS are NOT beating the charges.

Anything can happen. So, I'll hedge a bit longer.

But Tyler Robinson is looking more and more like a far-right Groyper

This and the homophobic inscription "if you read this you're gay"

The call is coming from inside the house pic.twitter.com/e3hl2CdE7a

— Pastor Ben (@BenjaminPDixon) September 12, 2025

Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

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Admittedly, my thoughts take form inside the bubble that is the East Bay, but some young white man killed Charlie Kirk because he wasn't far enough to the right?!? Does. Not. Compute.

I mean, did anyone ever consider bumping off Karl Marx because he wasn't enough of a Commie?

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Groyper

Look it up