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And the reason is simple: Trump and the vast majority of his MAGA supporters -- even Evangelical Christians -- will demand that the killer pay the ultimate price for the murder.

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The killer also committed a crime against the people of the state of Utah and must face the consequences as required by law.

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Yes, and Erika Kirk won't ask the Utah Governor or pardoning board to do anything to forgive Tyler Robinson, and neither will Trump.

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Forgiveness is a personal act of letting go resentment or anger and does not change the legal status of a crime or its consequences. A victim may forgive the offender, but this does not alter the state's ability to prosecute or punish the offender under Utah law. The state, even a Christian state, must seek justice.

🚨 LMAO! PRESIDENT TRUMP: “[Charlie] wanted the best for his opponents. That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I CAN’T STAND my opponents! I do NOT want the best for them!”

“Charlie’s looking down at me angry right now.” 🤣
pic.twitter.com/saFrnjcVVv

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) September 21, 2025

Except in times of war, "uniting the American people" is not the goal. No society with competing goals and incompatible principles can be united. Effective leaders like Lincoln, FDR, and Reagan all divided the country, but in a way that favored their side. Trump is doing the same!

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DiabloWags said:

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And for what its worth, Kirk's widow said she forgives the killer. So she seems to be applying the Christian values you suggest should apply.

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What are the chances that Trump will follow the same "Christian forgiveness values" and commute the killer's forthcoming death sentence? That's right: Zero.

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This is the rare example of the broken clock being wrong twice a day. Trump will not pardon the shooter because (among other things), the shooter will face state charges and Trump has no power to issue a pardon. So you're actually correct on this front, though as usual your reasoning is flawed.

And if Trump or any other republican politician issued a pardon based on Christian notions of forgiveness, you would be the first person screaming "fascist" or "theocrat". TDS

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You're just playing word games. All you've shown is that I'm not a lawyer. You did not disprove my fundamental claim that Donald Trump doesn't have the same "Christian forgiveness values" as Kirk's widow.

Even though Trump won't have the power to commute the killer's forthcoming death sentence if it is for a Utah state charge, it is obviously true (and you never directly challenged it) that Trump would never lift a finger "behind the scenes" to have the killer's sentence commuted, let alone openly advocate for it.

And the reason is simple: Trump and the vast majority of his MAGA supporters -- even Evangelical Christians -- will demand that the killer pay the ultimate price for the murder.

I have a feeling that even Erika Kirk -- who "forgave" Tyler Robinson for murdering her husband -- will never lift a finger to oppose giving Robinson the death penalty. That's what real "forgiveness" would require, and what I would applaud.

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You accuse me of playing word games, yet your argument is totally incoherent, in large part because:: (I) literally no one (including Trump himself) is asserting Trump has the same forgiveness values as Erika Kirk; and (ii) you are wrongfully conflating religious notions of "forgiveness" with whether a person is obliged to seek a lesser sentence for the criminal - those are very different things.

In my opinion, you are just wrong that "real forgiveness" requires anyone (particular a widow) to expend efforts to limit the punishment imposed on the criminal. But ultimately, I don't care because the shooter will be punished according to secular laws that the state of Utah is obliged to enforce.

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Instead of trying to refute my real points, over and over again you just criticize some strawman argument I never made.

(i) I never said anyone claimed Trump has the same Christian forgiveness values as Erika Kirk. I just underscored the fact that he doesn't. Since you haven't argued the contrary, I assume you accept this.

(ii) I never conflated "religious forgiveness" with "whether a person is obliged to seek a lesser sentence for the criminal". In fact I never even mentioned "religious" forgiveness.

Instead, I said I would applaud Erika Kirk if she demonstrated "real forgiveness" by openly asking for a compassionate sentence other than the death penalty for the murderer -- which I pointed out will unfortunately never happen. Again, since you haven't suggested anything to the contrary, by implication you accept this too.

(iii) Finally, of course you "don't care" -- your words -- that the murderer will be put to death "according to secular laws", so I suppose you're also conceding my point that neither will Erika Kirk.

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OsoDorado said:

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BearGoggles said:

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And for what its worth, Kirk's widow said she forgives the killer. So she seems to be applying the Christian values you suggest should apply.

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What are the chances that Trump will follow the same "Christian forgiveness values" and commute the killer's forthcoming death sentence? That's right: Zero.

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This is the rare example of the broken clock being wrong twice a day. Trump will not pardon the shooter because (among other things), the shooter will face state charges and Trump has no power to issue a pardon. So you're actually correct on this front, though as usual your reasoning is flawed.

And if Trump or any other republican politician issued a pardon based on Christian notions of forgiveness, you would be the first person screaming "fascist" or "theocrat". TDS

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You're just playing word games. All you've shown is that I'm not a lawyer. You did not disprove my fundamental claim that Donald Trump doesn't have the same "Christian forgiveness values" as Kirk's widow.

Even though Trump won't have the power to commute the killer's forthcoming death sentence if it is for a Utah state charge, it is obviously true (and you never directly challenged it) that Trump would never lift a finger "behind the scenes" to have the killer's sentence commuted, let alone openly advocate for it.

And the reason is simple: Trump and the vast majority of his MAGA supporters -- even Evangelical Christians -- will demand that the killer pay the ultimate price for the murder.

I have a feeling that even Erika Kirk -- who "forgave" Tyler Robinson for murdering her husband -- will never lift a finger to oppose giving Robinson the death penalty. That's what real "forgiveness" would require, and what I would applaud.

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Yes.
Kirk associates will claim forgiveness publicly like good little Christians, and then turn and weep in their grief as the Law executes the killer. And they'll say "oh, that's state law, we don't have anything to do with that." Secretly, they are good with a religious war. Many of them, at least. (So much for turn the other cheek - nobody practices that, hardly).

I'm not particularly advocating one disposition of the Tyler Robinson case one way or another. I'm just commenting on the hypocrisy.

Oh, what a wonderful man Charlie Kirk was - except that he demeaned many classes of people and promoted policies against them.
Oh, what a bunch of wonderful Christians we are - except if you were proper Christians (IN MY OPINION) you wouldn't be good with Robinson being put to death.

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Erika Kirk is a better person than me.

Mess with someone I love, and you’ll feel my full wrath.

When she said “I forgive him” it shook me to my core.

I’m rethinking everything now.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) September 21, 2025

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Yeah. Cat turd will think long and hard about it his decision will be to kill the killer at every turn.

From OsoDoro




Does anybody really believe that either Donald Trump or Elon Musk -- or even Dana White -- really cared about Charlie Kirk?

These appearances at the Kirk memorial/Trump political rally were nothing but 3 conmen making an in-person, self-serving pitch to their clients.

Trump knows TPUSA recruited a lot of impressionable young people (especially those from Christian families) to his MAGA movement. Musk and White know the MAGA cult represents a large percentage of their customer base.

To make a somewhat tangential prediction: it won't be too long before it becomes obvious TPUSA's recruiting ability for MAGA will be irreparably damaged without Charlie Kirk as it's figurehead --TPUSA without Kirk will foreshadow what MAGA will become without Trump.

And as a corollary: less MAGA fans means less Tesla buyers and less UFC fans.

If Charlie Kirk was still alive I'd ask him to explain, define, discuss the real phenomenon of "Intersex", or what they used to call "hermaphrodite" centuries ago - because it's always occurred.





I suppose he'd tell me it's an abnormality. Then I'd ask him if, regardless, should those people have different rights than anyone else?
Then I'd ask him if he can respect all people equally despite differences in gender or race, because I don't think he did.

Rare.

Well…

You don't listen/ read and you don't follow directions.

The sock puppetry continues

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The sock puppetry continues

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Yes because multiple people disagree with you, it must be one person posting on different accounts. Sigh… you couldn't just be wrong could you?

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Just me ? Aww you mad bro

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The killer also committed a crime against the people of the state of Utah and must face the consequences as required by law.

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How come Kirk's security team gets a free pass?
Why is his wife not suing them for negligence?

Those people were morons.

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The killer also committed a crime against the people of the state of Utah and must face the consequences as required by law.

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How come Kirk's security team gets a free pass?
Why is his wife not suing them for negligence?

Those people were morons.

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lol you're just comical at this point

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You're the one that's posted 293 times about Kirk since his death.
Not me.

That's just comical.
I don't know if I've ever seen someone as "triggered" by the death of a total stranger before.

I raise a legitimate point about how negligent Kirk's security team was and you can't handle it.
Shocker.

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grab from the "funny" pages, a few days late..

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reliable source for all that jazz:
https://substack.com/@nickanderson
second verse same as the first...

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How come Kirk's security team gets a free pass?
Why is his wife not suing them for negligence?

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Are you stalking me like Charlie Kirk's killer?

Why not find a retirement hobby instead of wasting your time being delusional?

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Why not put me on ignore and stop wasting your time pretending like you care about Charlie Kirk.
Or are you just like our mascot and unable to put anyone on ignore?

Kirk's security detail was a JOKE.
But you'll never admit that.

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I think you need to look in the mirror and see who is triggered here. You might not like what you see buddy

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What I see is a lot of butthurt.
About a guy you never met.

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As stated and mention before by many, his security was on par with any other event of that size and type. You're the ones claiming Charlie wasn't special and he's just another mouth for the right yet you seem to think he should have had special security? Riding both sides doesn't work and makes you look stupid tbh

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Special security?
No.

Common sense?
Yes.

Ive noticed you post a lot of COOL stories.