sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

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The New York Post said nothing about Charlie Kirk.
Didn't Micah post the MIchigan church murderer with the photoshopped Trump shirt last week?

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

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The New York Post said nothing about Charlie Kirk.
Didn't Micah post the MIchigan church murderer with the photoshopped Trump shirt last week?

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sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

🚨 This week, a Charlie Kirk fan murdered two Hispanic teens after allegedly one of them joked about Charlie Kirk’s death.

He then live-streamed about it on his YouTube channel. https://t.co/OdaqmEA4uO pic.twitter.com/xjOr0NqXW5

— Micah (@micah_erfan) October 3, 2025

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sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

🚨 This week, a Charlie Kirk fan murdered two Hispanic teens after allegedly one of them joked about Charlie Kirk’s death.

He then live-streamed about it on his YouTube channel. https://t.co/OdaqmEA4uO pic.twitter.com/xjOr0NqXW5

— Micah (@micah_erfan) October 3, 2025

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cal83dls79 said:

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more importantly was he/she trans?

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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more importantly was he/she trans?

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his/her eyewear choice got you questioning?

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sycasey said:

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Haloski said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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sycasey said:

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The leftist violence needs to stop!

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The New York Post said nothing about Charlie Kirk.
Didn't Micah post the MIchigan church murderer with the photoshopped Trump shirt last week?

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Wait, is it true that the shirt was photoshopped?

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It was photoshopped. . . to take the Trump logo off the shirt. The shirt was real.

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cal83dls79 said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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more importantly was he/she trans?

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his/her eyewear choice got you questioning?

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close, it's his look of insouciance. Surely the trans phobic see this? No? Should be a setting adjustment (or firmware update) on your gaydar.

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Muckieeye said:

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He/She/It seems to miss a lot of things. It's probably best to use simple complete declarative sentences when communicating with the numbered conservatives.

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sycasey said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

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It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.

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Mods shut down the thread early showing the start of thousands of liberals celebrating the assassination…

Left-wing activists hold gathering to CELEBRATE Charlie Kirk being killed.

“We got Charlie in the neck.”

pic.twitter.com/88JowXOyPV

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) September 11, 2025

If you only look at liberal controlled propaganda you might not see these

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Again, I said I'm sure such people exist but these are just random idiots, not major influencers within the American left.

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concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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That's definitely NOT my impression!
I don't know what you're reading/hearing/talking to that gives you that impression.

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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sycasey said:

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HawaiiBear33 said:

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sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

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It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.

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Mods shut down the thread early showing the start of thousands of liberals celebrating the assassination…

Left-wing activists hold gathering to CELEBRATE Charlie Kirk being killed.

“We got Charlie in the neck.”

pic.twitter.com/88JowXOyPV

— Oli London (@OliLondonTV) September 11, 2025

If you only look at liberal controlled propaganda you might not see these

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Again, I said I'm sure such people exist but these are just random idiots, not major influencers within the American left.

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There are millions including influencers with large followings and aoc and Crockett and other politicians

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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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We don't need the media to say that. I'll say that!
However, neither I nor the media are the ones with guns. Seems to me like gun toting republicans are the ones doing political violence.

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The gun toting people didn't bring their guns to the Capitol for the insurrection, superstar.

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I don't know what your point is, because that entire day was one huge crime. Organized + Led by the biggest criminal of all.

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sycasey said:

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For Charlie Kirk fans: what would you suggest is a good sampling of what he was "really like," as opposed to how he gets portrayed in left-wing media? Something I should watch or listen to?

Not trying to be a smarta**, this is an honest question.

NOTE: I would prefer not to have to go through any 6-hour long podcasts or debates.

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socaltownie said:

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movielover said:

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All the meds they're on may be an issue, but there sure seems to be a lot of rage.

Federal investigators are examining whether radical leftist groups in Utah played a role in helping Charlie Kirk's assassin suspect. One unnamed group had scrubbed its social media right after the killing. https://t.co/kMFVlOit4u

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 14, 2025

Utah-based trans militia group, Armed Queers Salt Lake City

BREAKING - A Utah-based trans militia group, Armed Queers Salt Lake City, which trains individuals to use weapons to defend trans rights, deleted its account the day Charlie Kirk was killed. pic.twitter.com/eRTnJ5kIpD

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) September 14, 2025

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You contribute to the problem. A challenging research question but the best work says no statistcal relationship

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-mass-shootings-gun-violence/#:~:text=We've%20reviewed%20similar%20statements,investigations%20and%20court%20records%20found.

Where there IS evidence is that Trans people are the VICTIMS of violence. That is why this current tenor (and yes, Kirk is part of that) makes me SO sad - essentially piling on those who already are isolated and victims.

Yes, I will go there, if Kirk actually had been the kind of Christina that reads the gospels and understands the actual words of Jesus he would have stood WITH trans people rather than demonize them. My mom had words for people like him - Social club Christians whose "faith" is entirely easy and doesn't require much of anything of them rather than casting stones at others.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Debunking The Biggest Lies Told About Charlie Kirk

(0:00) - Intro
(10:58) - On Second Amendment
(12:48) - On Empathy
(15:42) - On Gay People
(17:58) - On Trans People
(24:21) - On Racism
(28:21) - On Affirmative Action
(30:58) - On Critical Race Theory
(34:56) - On Illegal… pic.twitter.com/6NKI1L4jVt

— Amir Odom (@amirxodom) September 13, 2025

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I was thinking more something straight from Kirk himself.

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It's includes clips of Kirk highlighting his core beliefs of each issue listed

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Okay, but the argument from Kirk fans is that people on the left just unfairly take short clips of him saying negative stuff and that you can't see the full context. If a fan like this is selectively showing you POSITIVE clips of him, isn't that just the same thing on the other end?

What's a good way to get the full experience of the guy?

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Fair point. I'll look later today and see if I can find something that fits more what you're looking for

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Okay. So I did watch most of that guy's video you posted and here's my reaction:

Some of the points are fair, Kirk wasn't necessarily explicitly racist against Blacks or Latinos, just very much against DEI and affirmative action programs. One can agree or disagree with that but I wouldn't call it fundamentally offensive to say so.

When he talks about Kirk's opinions on LGBT issues is where you can tell this guy has to start tip-toeing around what Kirk actually said, especially because he's gay. Kirk explicitly says that he wouldn't allow gay marriage. The guy in the video kind of cuts off the clip right there and says in a hand-wavey kind of way, "Well I'm not going to dismiss the guy because of one opinion." Okay, maybe he wouldn't but could you see why a lot of gay or lesbian folks would pretty much call that a deal-breaker? If Charlie Kirk were in charge he'd take away their rights, and that seems pretty explicit to me. From my perspective, seeing this clip doesn't help at all. I dislike him even more after seeing it.

On the trans stuff: Kirk is polite with the trans person who questioned him in the clip, I'll give him that. And the criticism of clinics rushing to diagnose and prescribe medicine or surgery to kids who might show gender dysphoria is fair. But he also quite explicitly says that you shouldn't call a person by their preferred pronouns because it's a lie, and then he goes into saying that you can't change chromosomes, etc. But that wasn't the argument from the student; the student says that it's about common courtesy. And you know what? I think the student is right! It absolutely is rude if a person says to you, "I want you to call me 'she' now even though I was born as a male, and also by this new name" and you refuse to do so. Again, to me this does not make Charlie Kirk look good, and this kind of argument kind of gives away the game to me that it's not just about kids or women's sports, it's about denying the existence of trans people and even adults' desire to live their lives as they want.

If this is meant to be the friendliest argument in favor of Charlie Kirk, then I say no thanks. Doesn't mean he should have been shot, of course he shouldn't have. But I will continue to say he was a toxic presence in our politics when he was alive.

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