wifeisafurd said:

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From what appears to be a reliable source: SMU is in negotiations to join the Pac.

You wold think that another Texas school would be involved for travel and other reasons. If so, hopefully that school is not Rice.

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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berserkeley said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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That's discouraging.

What P5 schools in the West are better academic fits than SDSU? SMU, Rice, Air Force? Everyone else is below SDSU. If the Pac-12 expands to SMU and Rice, it would be a publicity nightmare.

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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tequila4kapp said:

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I suspect they need more content than what is provided by 10 teams.

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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Oski87 said:

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If they add SMU, why not take Tulane? I could be down with visiting New Orleans....top 20 football program and AAU member.

My nephew went there and we sat in the football stadium for graduation. Pretty small - I think 30,000 seats. SMU stadium is 32,000 seats. Those two stadiums are about the size of WSU (32,000 and OSU (27,000 but expanding to 36,000 next year).

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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tequila4kapp said:

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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There isn't another D1 UC, is there? If there is one it isn't in a city that is value add. Hard pass.

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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There isn't another D1 UC, is there? If there is one it isn't in a city that is value add. Hard pass.

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It is a shame it is not UCSD with the football team. They are now elite academically.

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MrGPAC said:

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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If we add another UC then Cal will likely be blocked from moving to the B1G should they get an invite. Regents won't let a UC ditch other UC schools in the Pac now that UCLA has done it.

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

---

We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Big Dog said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

---

We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Doesn't matter. SD is not R1

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movielover said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

---

We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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Bold = list updated

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bearsandgiants said:

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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dimitrig said:

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Big Dog said:

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fwiw: By the metrics of teh poobahs, both Arizona State and Wazzou are R1, Very High Research. SDSU is classified as High Research.

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We should add another UC before adding SDSU

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There isn't another D1 UC, is there? If there is one it isn't in a city that is value add. Hard pass.

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It is a shame it is not UCSD with the football team. They are now elite academically.

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All it takes is a stadium, a coach, and a narrative. We have one!

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95bears said:

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movielover said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

---

We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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Bold = list updated

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I am biased being from Sacto but it would be great if there could be some master plan to get Davis into D1/ Pac12 and take over the central valley slot currently held by Fresno. There is a good team to be had owning the Valley, Sacto, Reno, and the zone up to Redding (which we pass on scouting).

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southseasbear said:

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95bears said:

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movielover said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

---

We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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Bold = list updated

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I am biased being from Sacto but it would be great if there could be some master plan to get Davis into D1/ Pac12 and take over the central valley slot currently held by Fresno. There is a good team to be had owning the Valley, Sacto, Reno, and the zone up to Redding (which we pass on scouting).

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No. Adds nothing to the media footprint. The point of SD St. is that it adds the So. Cal market. UNLV adds the LV metropolitan area which is small, but growing. I think they would be good
additions.

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movielover said:

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southseasbear said:

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95bears said:

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movielover said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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Bold = list updated

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I am biased being from Sacto but it would be great if there could be some master plan to get Davis into D1/ Pac12 and take over the central valley slot currently held by Fresno. There is a good team to be had owning the Valley, Sacto, Reno, and the zone up to Redding (which we pass on scouting).

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No. Adds nothing to the media footprint. The point of SD St. is that it adds the So. Cal market. UNLV adds the LV metropolitan area which is small, but growing. I think they would be good
additions.

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So is the Central Valley counted as part of the
Bay Area? Sacramento kind of a no man's land, not Bear Territory, or Stanford, or Fresno (hours away).

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movielover said:

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southseasbear said:

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95bears said:

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movielover said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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BearSD said:

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BearGreg said:

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Two updates:

- Looking less likely that the Regents will block or materially impair UCLA's move to the B10
- The addition of SDSU is also less likely than it appeared 2 months ago. Academic and cultural fit with P12 found to be less than ideal

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Re UCLA: Looking less likely than the 0.0001% chance of blocking it that was the case before now?

Re SDSU: I'm always skeptical of the "academic and cultural fit" excuse. Academically, SDSU is not much different from Arizona State (remember when Zonies referred to ASU as "Cal State Tempe"), and SDSU is academically better than Washington State.

If SDSU is not a likely addition, it is probably because the TV networks don't want to pay more for a 12-team Pac than they would pay for a 10-team Pac, thus the existing members would each make more money if no one is added. Conversely, if TV offers to make it profitable for the existing members to add SDSU (or UNLV, Boise State, SMU, or whomever), then they will be added.

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No big fan of SDSU, but I believe you are way wrong on academics (please correct if I misstate). Back in the day Chico State and SDSU were little more than party schools. I believe that a few years back SDSU drew its enrollment back from around 40,000 to about 25,000 and the requirements for admission went up to make it
4.0U. And in the following years it became more and more difficult to gain entrance. No ASU is SDSU. ASU you do need a pulse though.

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We should take US News with a grain of salt, but for what it's worth, here are their most recent rankings of "national universities" for comparison:

#38 UC Davis*
#105 (tie) Arizona
#105 (tie) Oregon
#105 (tie) Utah
#121 Arizona State
#151 (tie) San Diego State
#151 (tie) Oregon State
#212 Washington State

Whatever rankings you prefer, in the post-LA Pac-12, the consensus of rankings is that the only elite universities are Cal, Stanford, and Washington.

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Not liking mentioning this but where do you put U$C and UCLA? First off, out of the Pac 12, but interested in your rankings.....

I would go: Furd #1, Cal close #2, fUCLA a not so close #3, U$C wherever the alums want to put them. I would place behind UW. The rest, not so good.

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UCLA, and maybe USC depending on how far you want to stretch the definition, would also be in the elite category. But they are gone, gone, gone from the Pac.

ARWU worldwide ranking:
2. Stanford
5. UC Berkeley
13. UCLA
17. Washington
53. USC

THE worldwide ranking:
3. (tie) Stanford
8. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
26. Washington
63. UC Davis*
65. USC

US News "global university" ranking:
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
6. Washington
14. UCLA
73. UC Davis*
80. USC

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Bold = list updated

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I am biased being from Sacto but it would be great if there could be some master plan to get Davis into D1/ Pac12 and take over the central valley slot currently held by Fresno. There is a good team to be had owning the Valley, Sacto, Reno, and the zone up to Redding (which we pass on scouting).

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No. Adds nothing to the media footprint. The point of SD St. is that it adds the So. Cal market. UNLV adds the LV metropolitan area which is small, but growing. I think they would be good
additions.

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So is the Central Valley counted as part of the
Bay Area? Sacramento kind of a no man's land, not Bear Territory, or Stanford, or Fresno (hours away).

Not that it would be an easy jump for Davis or Sac State. Though the Aggies just opened a new $50 Million athletic performance facility.

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