CSU just makes zero sense
Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiiting SMU
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tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
Agreed. Zero.
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
It's been rumored for the past few years that they are close to an AAU invite.tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
Still dumb.southseasbear said:It's been rumored for the past few years that they are close to an AAU invite.tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
Was it ever confirmed whether the UCLA subsidy is one time or per year? Seems like everyone is operating under the assumption that it's annual now, but I recall the language in the regent meeting minutes made it sound like it was a one time payment.
FTX is handling a trust which will pay in perpetuity.PtownBear1 said:
Was it ever confirmed whether the UCLA subsidy is one time or per year? Seems like everyone is operating under the assumption that it's annual now, but I recall the language in the regent meeting minutes made it sound like it was a one time payment.
Bobodeluxe said:FTX is handling a trust which will pay in perpetuity.PtownBear1 said:
Was it ever confirmed whether the UCLA subsidy is one time or per year? Seems like everyone is operating under the assumption that it's annual now, but I recall the language in the regent meeting minutes made it sound like it was a one time payment.
Collateralized by Kaboom assets?
If the goal is for the conference to survive this is about money first, second and last. Money is a byproduct of brand and tv markets. There are zero available schools that check both of those boxes. Therefore the play has to be to add schools in new markets then build the brands. READ: academic profile is irrelevant 1970s thinking. It is precisely the type of outdated thinking that got the conference in the position it's in today.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
UNLV = Las Vegastequila4kapp said:
If the goal is for the conference to survive this is about money first, second and last. Money is a byproduct of brand and tv markets. There are zero available schools that check both of those boxes. Therefore the play has to be to add schools in new markets then build the brands. READ: academic profile is irrelevant 1970s thinking. It is precisely the type of outdated thinking that got the conference in the position it's in today.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
Rice = Houston
Does adding CSU make Colorado more likely to stay?
southseasbear said:UNLV = Las Vegastequila4kapp said:
If the goal is for the conference to survive this is about money first, second and last. Money is a byproduct of brand and tv markets. There are zero available schools that check both of those boxes. Therefore the play has to be to add schools in new markets then build the brands. READ: academic profile is irrelevant 1970s thinking. It is precisely the type of outdated thinking that got the conference in the position it's in today.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
Rice = Houston
Does adding CSU make Colorado more likely to stay?
I think CSU is only viable as a CU backfill in case they and other 4 Corners schools bail to Big 12, and at that point (or with any more defections) the PAC 12 status as P5 conference is in peril. No sense to double up on the Colorado market. Definitely ok for Tulane - New Orleans as a Conference major city works, as a a destination for road games as a fan is awesome but more importantly recruiting entry into LA and the South
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
I would hope Cal goes independent (or gets out of the picture altogether) before relegating itself to this triviality.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
We would still be middle of the road in this conference. I'd still rather shut the program down if we aren't in the big boy leagues.
"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
If Cal Tech had football, they might be worthy of consideration.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
Why not add SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, and Tulane?
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
No offense intended but IMO that is among the worst things I've ever seen. That's not a merger it's a failure. And one which would save me a good deal of money and time because I would be out on Cal sports.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
If these "reports" are true that the P12 is considering Colorado State, then we are in a dire position. That would mean Colorado is considering returning to the B12. To me - SDSU, UNLV. If we take SMU, we need another from Texas. We missed the boat on getting Houston.southseasbear said:If Cal Tech had football, they might be worthy of consideration.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
Why not add SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, and Tulane?
BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
Agreed. I do not want Tulane, but definitely don't want CSU. We have Colorado. Someone said CSU is if Colorado leaves? If the 4 corners leave the conference, that will likely be the end. At that point the B1G probably lets in the schools they want at a steep discount. The others go to either the B12 or MWC.
At this point, add SDSU and stop. Look at a quasi-merger with the the B1G or ACC.
southseasbear said:I would hope Cal goes independent (or gets out of the picture altogether) before relegating itself to this triviality.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Absolute worst case: Pac-12 implodes, Cal and Stanford do not get invited to the B1G, then yes, go independent in football. Get over ourselves and maintain the historic series with USC and UCLA, Oregon and Washington while we are at it. Try to get a series with Notre Dame. Park the other sports in the Big West, or even maintain the PAC-12 for all other sports.
BearSD said:
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
I always wonder about what exactly is counted in this. SLC population is 200k, Portland is 641k, and SD is 1,382k.I understand they include nearby areas. I think the SD market size is low because LA gets first dibs on the area between them. Maybe SD should get TJ in its count.
The numbers I cited above are from Nielsen. Each market's number is not a number of people, it's a number of households that have televisions ("TV homes"). Obviously the average size of a "TV home" is more than one person.Quote:
I always wonder about what exactly is counted in this. SLC population is 200k, Portland is 641k, and SD is 1,382k.I understand they include nearby areas. I think the SD market size is low because LA gets first dibs on the area between them. Maybe SD should get TJ in its count.
Market boundaries are defined, on that list, by Nielsen, based on the "traditional" service area of local over-the-air TV channels. This map is an example.
Academics is clearly still a consideration by the conference presidents whether it should be or not. But obviously Tulane wins this one.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
New Orleans may only be the #50 market, but Fort Collins doesn't even register and the Pac-12 already has the Denver market. Tulane wins.
Louisiana regularly ranks among the Top 5 states for producing NCAA football recruits. Colorado does not and the Pac-12 already has a presence there. Tulane wins this one too. I'm not sure why everyone forgets recruiting, but pretty sure this is necessary to the survival of the conference and it's obviously something ADs consider given how every Pac-12 school wanted a game in LA every year because recruiting matters.
Neither adds any athletic brand whatsoever so no one wins this round.
Tulane may not make much sense. Unfortunately, not many do. But Colorado State makes zero sense.
We can revisit this in the future. Too soon to give up on the Big Ten dream (or surviving Pac12 plan).
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.
I agree. Of course, I liked Sonny!Hawaii Haas said:
We can revisit this in the future. Too soon to give up on the Big Ten dream (or surviving Pac12 plan).
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Academic standing is a criterion for admission to other athletic conferences including the Ivy League and B1G. Do you have similar contempt for schools in those conferences?Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
southseasbear said:Academic standing is a criteria for admission to other athletic conferences including the Ivy League and B1G. Do you have similar contempt for schools in those conferences?Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
I have contempt for running a business into the ground, which I think this is mostly a business.
Whoever wrote this has no idea about anything. Literally, among the least informed opinions ever.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Regional rivalries is early 20th century thinking. 21st century thinking - as it relates to conference survival - is about Brands, TV markets and TV time slots. Fresno has some potential value to the B12 because of the markets they open to that conference (the same reason SMU is of interest to the P12) but they have ZERO benefit to the P12.
DISASTER. End of story. No UW. No UO. No 4 corners schools. This is a 2nd or 3rd rate conference. Yuck.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Agree 100%. I think SMU carries less benefit than some believe despite their market because they are not a "brand". The P12 lost its brand when USC left. UCLA is a basketball brand as is UA. UO is a football brand but has a small market. UW thinks they are a brand but really just a good program and school in a good market.tequila4kapp said:Whoever wrote this has no idea about anything. Literally, among the least informed opinions ever.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Regional rivalries is early 20th century thinking. 21st century thinking - as it relates to conference survival - is about Brands, TV markets and TV time slots. Fresno has some potential value to the B12 because of the markets they open to that conference (the same reason SMU is of interest to the P12) but they have ZERO benefit to the P12.
Fresno St brings no value to the league, but some want to project them into the league because they might enjoy the games. Personally I would likely begin to be less interested if the P12 added Fresno St. and Boise St or UNLV. I personally do not want the P12 to add any teams and that includes SDSU and SMU.
I want Cal to go the B1G or for the current P12 to stay intact and look for a future afflilation with the ACC. If Cal gets left out of any realignment either now or in the near future I am very likely just to focus on the NFL and spend my Saturdays wine tasting, hiking, taking in more festivals and going to the coast/beach. Fall weather in NorCal is great and lots of other things to do. Watching Cal play UNLV, Fresno St and Colorado St has no appeal to me. At least as conference opponents.
There is so much wrong with this statement.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
First, Cal has played Fresno State and the games do NOT sell out nor do they sell particularly well. The game might sell out at Fresno where they feel particularly bitter towards Cal, but not at Cal where we have more seats to fill and aren't particularly concerned about Fresno.
Second, Cal is not in Pelosi's district. Cal is in Barbara Lee's district.
At least the Pac-12 snobs know how to count and read a map ....
"Cal" is not a brand.
UC Berkeley is a brand.
"Cal" joining the expanded Mountain West would give it a chance to be average occasionally.
UC Berkeley wouldn't watch, anyway.
UC Berkeley is a brand.
"Cal" joining the expanded Mountain West would give it a chance to be average occasionally.
UC Berkeley wouldn't watch, anyway.
PRIOR TO ~2010: Team success was primarily defined by team record, bowl appearances, attendance. These factors pretty much drove $$ revenue.Hawaii Haas said:
We can revisit this in the future. Too soon to give up on the Big Ten dream (or surviving Pac12 plan).
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.
AFTER ~2010: Team success primarily defined by team record, TV market size and ratings for the conference, bowl appearances. The conference TV contract is now the primary driver for $$ revenue. A cozy little regional conference including Cal, Stanford, SJSU, UNR, Fresno, etc, even if you include the Washington and Oregon schools isn't going to have large enough TV markets/ratings to draw the needed contract from TV broadcast. And stadium attendance isn't the success driver it once was.
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