CSU just makes zero sense
tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
It's been rumored for the past few years that they are close to an AAU invite.tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
Still dumb.southseasbear said:It's been rumored for the past few years that they are close to an AAU invite.tequila4kapp said:
CSU just makes zero sense
BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
FTX is handling a trust which will pay in perpetuity.PtownBear1 said:
Was it ever confirmed whether the UCLA subsidy is one time or per year? Seems like everyone is operating under the assumption that it's annual now, but I recall the language in the regent meeting minutes made it sound like it was a one time payment.
Bobodeluxe said:FTX is handling a trust which will pay in perpetuity.PtownBear1 said:
Was it ever confirmed whether the UCLA subsidy is one time or per year? Seems like everyone is operating under the assumption that it's annual now, but I recall the language in the regent meeting minutes made it sound like it was a one time payment.
UNLV = Las Vegastequila4kapp said:
If the goal is for the conference to survive this is about money first, second and last. Money is a byproduct of brand and tv markets. There are zero available schools that check both of those boxes. Therefore the play has to be to add schools in new markets then build the brands. READ: academic profile is irrelevant 1970s thinking. It is precisely the type of outdated thinking that got the conference in the position it's in today.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
southseasbear said:UNLV = Las Vegastequila4kapp said:
If the goal is for the conference to survive this is about money first, second and last. Money is a byproduct of brand and tv markets. There are zero available schools that check both of those boxes. Therefore the play has to be to add schools in new markets then build the brands. READ: academic profile is irrelevant 1970s thinking. It is precisely the type of outdated thinking that got the conference in the position it's in today.
SMU = Dallas
SDSU = San Diego
Tulane = New Orleans
That may not work but it's the most logical path forward to give the conference a chance at surviving.
CSU is not a brand. CSU does not offer a new market. That is a TERRIBLE idea.
Rice = Houston
Does adding CSU make Colorado more likely to stay?
I would hope Cal goes independent (or gets out of the picture altogether) before relegating itself to this triviality.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
If Cal Tech had football, they might be worthy of consideration.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
No offense intended but IMO that is among the worst things I've ever seen. That's not a merger it's a failure. And one which would save me a good deal of money and time because I would be out on Cal sports.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
If these "reports" are true that the P12 is considering Colorado State, then we are in a dire position. That would mean Colorado is considering returning to the B12. To me - SDSU, UNLV. If we take SMU, we need another from Texas. We missed the boat on getting Houston.southseasbear said:If Cal Tech had football, they might be worthy of consideration.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
Why not add SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, and Tulane?
BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
southseasbear said:I would hope Cal goes independent (or gets out of the picture altogether) before relegating itself to this triviality.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
BearSD said:
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
I always wonder about what exactly is counted in this. SLC population is 200k, Portland is 641k, and SD is 1,382k.I understand they include nearby areas. I think the SD market size is low because LA gets first dibs on the area between them. Maybe SD should get TJ in its count.
The numbers I cited above are from Nielsen. Each market's number is not a number of people, it's a number of households that have televisions ("TV homes"). Obviously the average size of a "TV home" is more than one person.Quote:
I always wonder about what exactly is counted in this. SLC population is 200k, Portland is 641k, and SD is 1,382k.I understand they include nearby areas. I think the SD market size is low because LA gets first dibs on the area between them. Maybe SD should get TJ in its count.
Academics is clearly still a consideration by the conference presidents whether it should be or not. But obviously Tulane wins this one.BearSD said:"Least" is a good way to put it.calumnus said:BearSD said:
Tulane makes even less sense than CSU, and CSU is no worse a choice than SMU.
So, maybe add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, IMO.
Not a fan of adding either but at least Tulane is an actual AAU member and theoretically adds New Orleans, whereas we already have Colorado.
List of TV markets by size and number of TV homes. New Orleans is only the 50th largest TV market in the US, at 687,110 TV homes. Albuquerque is #49, with 720,750, so if we're going by that, New Mexico is a better addition than Tulane.
Las Vegas is #40 with 870,240 TV homes per Nielsen.
In contrast, San Diego's market size is comparable to Portland and Salt Lake City:
#22 Portland 1,293,400
#29 Salt Lake City 1,148,120
#30 San Diego 1,107,010
Tulane is AAU? That's nice for them, but not sufficient. Caltech is AAU.
Again: Add SDSU alone, or stay at 10 teams, unless there is a mountain of TV money on offer for adding someone else.
I agree. Of course, I liked Sonny!Hawaii Haas said:
We can revisit this in the future. Too soon to give up on the Big Ten dream (or surviving Pac12 plan).
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.
Academic standing is a criterion for admission to other athletic conferences including the Ivy League and B1G. Do you have similar contempt for schools in those conferences?Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
southseasbear said:Academic standing is a criteria for admission to other athletic conferences including the Ivy League and B1G. Do you have similar contempt for schools in those conferences?Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Whoever wrote this has no idea about anything. Literally, among the least informed opinions ever.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
DISASTER. End of story. No UW. No UO. No 4 corners schools. This is a 2nd or 3rd rate conference. Yuck.Hawaii Haas said:
This is a growing possibility.
Two divisions of a merger of the remaining Pac12 and the MWC. Still would have a guaranteed shot in the college football playoffs.
With three teams in the Bay Area and Nevada and Fresno within short driving distance (and Hawaii expats and visitors), football might become the talk of the town with this regional focus.
Teams:
1. Boise State
2. Air Force
3. Wyoming
4. Utah State
5. Colorado State
6. Oregon State
7. Washington State
8. New Mexico
1. Fresno State
2. San Jose State
3. San Diego State
4.UNLV
5. Hawaii
6. Nevada
7. Cal
8. Stanford
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/football/what-a-pac-12-and-mountain-west-conference-merger-would-look-like
Agree 100%. I think SMU carries less benefit than some believe despite their market because they are not a "brand". The P12 lost its brand when USC left. UCLA is a basketball brand as is UA. UO is a football brand but has a small market. UW thinks they are a brand but really just a good program and school in a good market.tequila4kapp said:Whoever wrote this has no idea about anything. Literally, among the least informed opinions ever.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
Regional rivalries is early 20th century thinking. 21st century thinking - as it relates to conference survival - is about Brands, TV markets and TV time slots. Fresno has some potential value to the B12 because of the markets they open to that conference (the same reason SMU is of interest to the P12) but they have ZERO benefit to the P12.
There is so much wrong with this statement.Hawaii Haas said:
I did not write this, but this is the opportunity staring us in the face. Wake up!
Fresno would be a great add for the PAC. Cal and Stanford would sell out every Fresno home game for years and Cal v Fresno is the ultimate rivalry game rarely played.
Cal is the ultimate snob public school and Fresno is the ultimate chip on your shoulder school. Cal sits in Pelosi's district v Fresno in McCarthy's. Cal is UC v Fresno is Cal State. Cal is Coastal City v Fresno is Central Valley. Cal is 14.4% acceptance rate v Fresno 97.3%.
It's the kind of rivalry that is any marketers wet dream residing in the largest state in the nation. But the snob academics that run the PAC-12 are too +++++ing stupid to realize their athletic conference is in the entertainment business. They deserve to be destroyed for their arrogance and could well be.
PRIOR TO ~2010: Team success was primarily defined by team record, bowl appearances, attendance. These factors pretty much drove $$ revenue.Hawaii Haas said:
We can revisit this in the future. Too soon to give up on the Big Ten dream (or surviving Pac12 plan).
But, a big part of the problem with Cal (and many other schools) is college sports are less part of our lives than before. Most reasonable people would agree that regionalization would increase the exposure we have to college sports with work, family and social. Which is why the Big Game is so successful even in down years for both programs. Cal playing Stanford, SJSU, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii every year (your place or mine) would do a lot to making Cal football more popular locally. Higher attendance, more regional viewership and following.
This is all lost in the money talk and prestige whoring. Yes, the money is driving this, but…
If Stanford was at our same level, despite the MWC heavy schedule, could that at least be more acceptable. Look in the mirror and ask yourselves.