DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Wait! According to the majority of Right Wing Loonies, January 6 was a bunch of grannies taking selfies. Not a riot.

So which is it?

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Stuck in binary thinking mode again?

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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The Proud Boys didn't bring any weapons to DC like Kavanuagh's assassin did.

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The assassin is from the Republican enclave of Simi Valley, known as the home of numerous law enforcement officers. The proud boys had weapons disguised as flag poles. The Idiot in Chief threw Pence to the wolves; if they had found him, they would have ripped him to shreds. To dispute this is delusional, magical thinking, or supporting the end of Democracy as we know it. Which one are you picking?

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BearForce2 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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The Proud Boys didn't bring any weapons to DC like Kavanuagh's assassin did.

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The assassin is from the Republican enclave of Simi Valley, known as the home of numerous law enforcement officers. The proud boys had weapons disguised as flag poles. The Idiot in Chief threw Pence to the wolves; if they had found him, they would have ripped him to shreds. To dispute this is delusional, magical thinking, or supporting the end of Democracy as we know it. Which one are you picking?

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They brought flagpoles to an insurrection so you say.....Nothing worse than death by flagpole I suppose.

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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The Proud Boys didn't bring any weapons to DC like Kavanuagh's assassin did.

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The assassin is from the Republican enclave of Simi Valley, known as the home of numerous law enforcement officers. The proud boys had weapons disguised as flag poles. The Idiot in Chief threw Pence to the wolves; if they had found him, they would have ripped him to shreds. To dispute this is delusional, magical thinking, or supporting the end of Democracy as we know it. Which one are you picking?

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They brought flagpoles to an insurrection so you say.....Nothing worse than death by flagpole I suppose.

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Delusional and magical thinking it is.

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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The Proud Boys didn't bring any weapons to DC like Kavanuagh's assassin did.

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Is there any doubt that had the Proud Boys gotten a hold of VP Pence, he'd be dead?

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The Proud Boys didn't bring any weapons to DC like Kavanuagh's assassin did.

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The assassin is from the Republican enclave of Simi Valley, known as the home of numerous law enforcement officers. The proud boys had weapons disguised as flag poles. The Idiot in Chief threw Pence to the wolves; if they had found him, they would have ripped him to shreds. To dispute this is delusional, magical thinking, or supporting the end of Democracy as we know it. Which one are you picking?

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They brought flagpoles to an insurrection so you say.....Nothing worse than death by flagpole I suppose.

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Delusional and magical thinking it is.

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bearister said:

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"These are all important parts of the puzzle. But the immediate danger to American democracy stems from the fact that the Republican party is justifying all this, remains united behind the man responsible, and, worst of all, actually wants to put him back in power. This is about Trump, but not just about Trump. This is what the Republican party is: the very few voices siding against Trumpism are being shunned and ostracized, and most Republicans are united in their quest to install authoritarian rule by a reactionary minority.

And even if conservatives aren't necessarily on board with all the specifics of Trump's conspiracy claims, the right in general is united behind the idea that progressives are out to destroy "real" America and must be stopped by whatever means. White conservatives consider themselves the sole proponents of "real America" and therefore entitled to rule, as is the party that focuses almost solely on their interests and sensibilities.

This is the basis on which 147 congressional Republicans voted to overturn the election results even after the assault on the Capitol. This is why the Republican party officially defended the violent attack of January 6 as "legitimate political discourse" and lashed out against the few Republicans who publicly dared to object. This is why Republicans are either explicitly running on the big lie or, at the very least, are lending legitimacy to the idea that there was something wrong with the 2020 election.….

And how are the people the hearings present as Team Normal, as standing up to Trump's coup attempt, dealing with all this? Take Bill Barr: he's on record saying he would vote for Trump in 2024. In his testimony for the committee as well as in his book, Barr has left no doubt that he believes Trump is either willfully pushing treasonous conspiracy theories or is completely detached from reality yet Barr is still willing to help put him back in the White House."

The January 6 hearings aren't acknowledging the elephant in the room


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/the-january-6-hearings-arent-acknowledging-the-elephant-in-the-room?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Unit2Sucks said:

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No surprise that this list is full of sources of tweets that are regularly posted by disingenuous conspiracy theorists and bots on this forum. It's a shame that there is no interest in removing people who post here primarily to spread misinformation.

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Evidence they want you to ignore:

A high percentage of mules who trafficked ballots from left-wing organizations also were at riots in the summer of 2020https://t.co/vqx42i1cKO

— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) June 10, 2022

bearister said:

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"These are all important parts of the puzzle. But the immediate danger to American democracy stems from the fact that the Republican party is justifying all this, remains united behind the man responsible, and, worst of all, actually wants to put him back in power. This is about Trump, but not just about Trump. This is what the Republican party is: the very few voices siding against Trumpism are being shunned and ostracized, and most Republicans are united in their quest to install authoritarian rule by a reactionary minority.

And even if conservatives aren't necessarily on board with all the specifics of Trump's conspiracy claims, the right in general is united behind the idea that progressives are out to destroy "real" America and must be stopped by whatever means. White conservatives consider themselves the sole proponents of "real America" and therefore entitled to rule, as is the party that focuses almost solely on their interests and sensibilities.

This is the basis on which 147 congressional Republicans voted to overturn the election results even after the assault on the Capitol. This is why the Republican party officially defended the violent attack of January 6 as "legitimate political discourse" and lashed out against the few Republicans who publicly dared to object. This is why Republicans are either explicitly running on the big lie or, at the very least, are lending legitimacy to the idea that there was something wrong with the 2020 election.….

And how are the people the hearings present as Team Normal, as standing up to Trump's coup attempt, dealing with all this? Take Bill Barr: he's on record saying he would vote for Trump in 2024. In his testimony for the committee as well as in his book, Barr has left no doubt that he believes Trump is either willfully pushing treasonous conspiracy theories or is completely detached from reality yet Barr is still willing to help put him back in the White House."

The January 6 hearings aren't acknowledging the elephant in the room


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/the-january-6-hearings-arent-acknowledging-the-elephant-in-the-room?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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The disingenuous nature of wypeepo asking why Donald Trump or any other person associated with his crimes has not been arrested tests the limits of my ability to accept the sheer bullshit of it all! 🙄

— Doug Rice (@rugdicer) June 18, 2022

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dajo9 said:

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bearister said:

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"These are all important parts of the puzzle. But the immediate danger to American democracy stems from the fact that the Republican party is justifying all this, remains united behind the man responsible, and, worst of all, actually wants to put him back in power. This is about Trump, but not just about Trump. This is what the Republican party is: the very few voices siding against Trumpism are being shunned and ostracized, and most Republicans are united in their quest to install authoritarian rule by a reactionary minority.

And even if conservatives aren't necessarily on board with all the specifics of Trump's conspiracy claims, the right in general is united behind the idea that progressives are out to destroy "real" America and must be stopped by whatever means. White conservatives consider themselves the sole proponents of "real America" and therefore entitled to rule, as is the party that focuses almost solely on their interests and sensibilities.

This is the basis on which 147 congressional Republicans voted to overturn the election results even after the assault on the Capitol. This is why the Republican party officially defended the violent attack of January 6 as "legitimate political discourse" and lashed out against the few Republicans who publicly dared to object. This is why Republicans are either explicitly running on the big lie or, at the very least, are lending legitimacy to the idea that there was something wrong with the 2020 election.….

And how are the people the hearings present as Team Normal, as standing up to Trump's coup attempt, dealing with all this? Take Bill Barr: he's on record saying he would vote for Trump in 2024. In his testimony for the committee as well as in his book, Barr has left no doubt that he believes Trump is either willfully pushing treasonous conspiracy theories or is completely detached from reality yet Barr is still willing to help put him back in the White House."

The January 6 hearings aren't acknowledging the elephant in the room


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/the-january-6-hearings-arent-acknowledging-the-elephant-in-the-room?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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This is why the DOJ needs to be strong in support of the rule of law. If Garland is afraid to upset the insurrectionist Republicans then we will lose our democracy. The Republicans are not going to willingly back down from trying to implement minority rule.

In fact, minority rule is a staple of the American South which is the core of the modern Republican Party. They violently implemented minority rule from the beginning of the Constitution until the 1920's mass migration of blacks out of the South (though they still had the mechanisms in place into the 1960s).

People act like what is going on is new and unprecedented. It's not.

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Yes, you are correct. This is the last paragraph from the Guardian article I linked:

"In 2020, the historian Heather Cox Richardson published a book on How the South Won the Civil War. It should be required reading for this particular moment in American politics. Richardson argues that while the Confederacy obviously lost the military confrontation, the broader ideology it was built on, the idea that the world works best when it is dominated by wealthy white men, and that only those wealthy white men are therefore entitled to rule, continued to shape the American project, and is still the leading threat to true democracy in this country today. I worry, to build on the title of Richardson's book, that future historians might have to write about How the Insurrectionists Won the Presidency."

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America never will. The Civil War proved that. White people fell out with each other. After the War White fell right back in line. Repackaged slavery 13th amendment. Made traitors hero’s and legends. Jim Crow. America is Caste. Whiteness is supreme. https://t.co/6CwI5TwJvG

— BAwill (@webreakchains15) June 18, 2022

bearister said:

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"Friend," it began. "The Democrats are trying to STEAL the Election. I've activated the Official Election Defense Fund and I need EVERY PATRIOT, including YOU, to step up and make sure we have enough resources to PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION."

If EVERY Patriot chips in $5, President Trump will have what it takes to DEFEND the Election and WIN!" said the email that was transmitted on 10 November three days after Biden's victory had been sealed….

There was only one problem with this epic flurry of emails: the Official Election Defense Fund did not exist. As the House committee investigating the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol revealed in a public hearing this week, Trump and his allies raised $250m from the emails by persuading loyal followers to donate to a chimera….

Now Trump is facing his own accusations of defrauding his people. The allegation that he cheated his supporters out of millions of dollars by dangling in front of them a fictitious election defense fund could expose the former president to legal peril."

The 'big rip-off': how Trump exploited his fans with 'election defense' fund


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/18/donald-trump-election-defense-fundraising-defrauded-fans?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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dajo9 said:

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bearister said:

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"These are all important parts of the puzzle. But the immediate danger to American democracy stems from the fact that the Republican party is justifying all this, remains united behind the man responsible, and, worst of all, actually wants to put him back in power. This is about Trump, but not just about Trump. This is what the Republican party is: the very few voices siding against Trumpism are being shunned and ostracized, and most Republicans are united in their quest to install authoritarian rule by a reactionary minority.

And even if conservatives aren't necessarily on board with all the specifics of Trump's conspiracy claims, the right in general is united behind the idea that progressives are out to destroy "real" America and must be stopped by whatever means. White conservatives consider themselves the sole proponents of "real America" and therefore entitled to rule, as is the party that focuses almost solely on their interests and sensibilities.

This is the basis on which 147 congressional Republicans voted to overturn the election results even after the assault on the Capitol. This is why the Republican party officially defended the violent attack of January 6 as "legitimate political discourse" and lashed out against the few Republicans who publicly dared to object. This is why Republicans are either explicitly running on the big lie or, at the very least, are lending legitimacy to the idea that there was something wrong with the 2020 election.….

And how are the people the hearings present as Team Normal, as standing up to Trump's coup attempt, dealing with all this? Take Bill Barr: he's on record saying he would vote for Trump in 2024. In his testimony for the committee as well as in his book, Barr has left no doubt that he believes Trump is either willfully pushing treasonous conspiracy theories or is completely detached from reality yet Barr is still willing to help put him back in the White House."

The January 6 hearings aren't acknowledging the elephant in the room


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/the-january-6-hearings-arent-acknowledging-the-elephant-in-the-room?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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This is why the DOJ needs to be strong in support of the rule of law. If Garland is afraid to upset the insurrectionist Republicans then we will lose our democracy. The Republicans are not going to willingly back down from trying to implement minority rule.

In fact, minority rule is a staple of the American South which is the core of the modern Republican Party. They violently implemented minority rule from the beginning of the Constitution until the 1920's mass migration of blacks out of the South (though they still had the mechanisms in place into the 1960s).

People act like what is going on is new and unprecedented. It's not.

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concordtom said:

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It's too late! We elected a man who said "you can grab them by the p*, you can do anything you want!"

And it looks like garland is the biggest p* of 'em all!

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This is what a “family-friendly drag show” in a bar looks like pic.twitter.com/oTnLmdEkaZ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 16, 2022

bearister said:

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The crux of any prosecution of Trump would hinge heavily on convincing a jury that Trump knew he lost the election and acted with criminal intent to overturn the valid election results. The hearings have focused heavily on testimony that Trump fully knew he had lost and went full steam ahead to concoct schemes to stay in power.…

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bearister said:

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6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot: POLL - ABC News

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot: POLL - ABC News

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6 out of 10 = hung jury. Redemption for the criminal, who will keep his money.

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