MinotStateBeav said:

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In other words, they are taking the choice away from their voters lol. This is going to be crazy to watch.

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I bet most all of those voters wish they had a redo, so it would actually be giving them a choice this time.

Somewhat analogous to when a DA decides not to prosecute because the victim doesn't want to press charges.

Heritage Foundation (quakin' in their boots): Let's do something to prevent the Dems from having a better candidate!

MinotStateBeav said:

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Big C said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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In other words, they are taking the choice away from their voters lol. This is going to be crazy to watch.

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I bet most all of those voters wish they had a redo, so it would actually be giving them a choice this time.

Somewhat analogous to when a DA decides not to prosecute because the victim doesn't want to press charges.

Heritage Foundation (quakin' in their boots): Let's do something to prevent the Dems from having a better candidate!

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LOL, No REDOS. Btw blame the DNC, they closed the primaries and anointed Biden. RFK Jr got robbed of the opportunity to run against him.

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I totally get "the other side" wanting the Democratic Party to get stuck with a weak candidate. Were the shoe on the other foot, I'd probably feel the same way. Winning.

But I want to win too and that means getting our best candidate in there. I'm sure most of my fellow Dems want that, too. Now, did our party screw up? Big time. So now we want to unscrew up.

And just looking at it objectively, isn't that the best thing for the country, to have the best candidate from each party square off? Iron sharpens iron. Happy 4th of July, America!


Remind me who RFK Jr is again. I thought he died in a plane crash. Wait, that was JFK Jr. Oh yeah, RFK Jr... the conspiracy theorist who sounds like he's choking worse than Biden. You'd think his name would be coming up as someone who could fill the void. I guess he's buried.

For the sake of argument, let's say Biden's health has legitimately deteriorated over the last year to the point at which he can no longer run for office. Maybe it wasn't the case at the time the primary vote started, but it is now. Is a "do-over" not warranted at that point? A different candidate to take his place?

I know, some of you will say that everyone really knew this at the time. Maybe some did. But again, just for the sake of argument let's say this is a recent downturn. Does a replacement candidate really seem unfair? We've seen other politicians die while in a campaign and had their spouses or some other surrogate take their spot. Was that an unfair do-over?

My understanding is either Biden the nominee quits, or the Cabinet invokes the 25th Amendment. In that case, Kamala is the nominee?

Democrats would have the advantage of a honeymoon period, and limited time for scrutiny.

Republicans are celebrating too early.

tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Thing is, today is going to be strange. Biden is doing this 15 minute interview with Stephanopoulus that is going to be edited before it airs. If Biden comes off looking bad, than it will be obvious his party is trying to kick him out. I have to wonder if Georgie is going to actually ask him anything challenging. Regardless, I don't think this interview is going to effect independents much, he's probably hoping to calm his party down lol. Btw Stephanopoulus has severe TDS so he should be lobbing some huge softballs for Joe to attack Trump.

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It is almost offensive. Just like them now claiming that travel was part of the problem...never mind the travel ended 11 days before the debate. If they really wanted to put these questions to bed they'd trot Biden out for an unscripted, no holds barred, open ended live press conference.

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Anyone thinking this deteriorated Biden will be an effective leader at 86 and after four more years is delusional. The only reason to vote for Biden is that a living corpse or Harris with no actual signature accomplishment will be better than the idiot with a severe personality disorder. The amount of delusion on both sides, gaslighting extreme personality disorder on one side and senility and feebleness on the other is pretty amazing. I'm excited to vote!

tequila4kapp said:

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There are assorted pieces out there raising apparently legit legal issues. Dems / Left sources.
- The money apparently cannot transfer to any other candidate beside Harris
- Some key battleground states have deadlines for naming the candidate, those deadlines have passed.

Etc, etc.
I don't think we have to bother ourselves with Newom or snyone else. It's Biden or Harris, apparently.

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It would certainly be a lot easier to transfer everything over to Harris over anyone else, given that she is already on the ticket.

DISNEY HEIRESS THREATENING TO WITHOLD MILLIONS FROM ALL DEMOCRATS UNLESS BIDEN LEAVES AND KAMALA TAKES OVER.

https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-heiress-ends-democratic-party-donations-until-biden-exits-race-2024-7?op=1
First few sentences from the article:

President Joe Biden is facing stiff opposition from some high-profile Hollywood donors a week after his disastrous debate performance against former President Donald Trump.

Millionaire heiress Abigail Disney told CNBC on Thursday that she will stop donations to the Democratic Party "until they replace Biden at the top of the ticket."

"Biden is a good man and has served his country admirably, but the stakes are far too high," Disney, a longtime Democratic donor, told the outlet. "If Biden does not step down, the Democrats will lose. Of that, I am absolutely certain. The consequences for the loss will be genuinely dire."

MinotStateBeav said:

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Thing is, today is going to be strange. Biden is doing this 15 minute interview with Stephanopoulus that is going to be edited before it airs. If Biden comes off looking bad, than it will be obvious his party is trying to kick him out. I have to wonder if Georgie is going to actually ask him anything challenging. Regardless, I don't think this interview is going to effect independents much, he's probably hoping to calm his party down lol. Btw Stephanopoulus has severe TDS so he should be lobbing some huge softballs for Joe to attack Trump.

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George is loyal to the Clintons first. If he repeatedly challenges Biden, then I would certainly think it's coming from that camp.

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Anyone thinking this deteriorated Biden will be an effective leader at 86 and after four more years is delusional. The only reason to vote for Biden is that a living corpse or Harris with no actual signature accomplishment will be better than the idiot with a severe personality disorder. The amount of delusion on both sides, gaslighting extreme personality disorder on one side and senility and feebleness on the other is pretty amazing. I'm excited to vote!

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Don't worry, Chris Christie will have another shot in 2028.

tequila4kapp said:

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bear2034 said:

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Regime media is using and recycling long-stale MAGA talking points to criticize Biden.

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Are they stale if they are true and everyone is seeing for themselves the truthfulness?

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And if the reports are true that the Democrats are replacing Biden with Kamala due to the Commander-in-chief's current mental and physical state, then we are currently in a national security crisis?

What is Stephanopoulos’ agenda?

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) July 4, 2024

Biden's interview with Stephanopoulos will be recorded this afternoon in Wisconsin and air tonight at 8p ET/ 5p PT. ABC claims it will air in its entirely.

You realize most of this is largely made up? Just because the Trump campaign or RNC (effectively the same thing) sent you an email and encouraged you to copy and paste, doesn't make it true.


Provide well sourced links that detail and explained each of the accomplishments you list. We will wait.

tequila4kapp said:

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There are assorted pieces out there raising apparently legit legal issues. Dems / Left sources.
- The money apparently cannot transfer to any other candidate beside Harris
- Some key battleground states have deadlines for naming the candidate, those deadlines have passed.

Etc, etc.
I don't think we have to bother ourselves with Newom or snyone else. It's Biden or Harris, apparently.

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I agree with almost all of what you have written on this page of the thread.

However, regarding it having to be Biden or Harris at this point, no, I'm pretty sure there are various workarounds. It would take some powerful Dems having some balls and also maybe thinking outside of the box, but it could be done. I fear that both of the above might be asking too much, however.

If Biden were to leave and Harris were to be anointed (without some sort of last-minute contest), the Democratic Party would have to rename itself, or be sued for false advertising.

Big C said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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There are assorted pieces out there raising apparently legit legal issues. Dems / Left sources.
- The money apparently cannot transfer to any other candidate beside Harris
- Some key battleground states have deadlines for naming the candidate, those deadlines have passed.

Etc, etc.
I don't think we have to bother ourselves with Newom or snyone else. It's Biden or Harris, apparently.

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I agree with almost all of what you have written on this page of the thread.

However, regarding it having to be Biden or Harris at this point, no, I'm pretty sure there are various workarounds. It would take some powerful Dems having some balls and also maybe thinking outside of the box, but it could be done. I fear that both of the above might be asking too much, however.

If Biden were to leave and Harris were to be anointed (without some sort of last-minute contest), the Democratic Party would have to rename itself, or be sued for false advertising.

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The Democratic primary voting already took place. Biden / Harris won. Harris would be anointed by the Democratic primary voters. That means if Biden bows out, it is Harris, who would be a great candidate and President.

I say this as somebody whose favorite is Newsom. But everybody not named Biden or Harris took themselves out of the running.