concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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MAGA turning up the rhetoric.
As expected.

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It's interesting that given the comments I've seen here about how much "The Left" is celebrating Kirk's death, I've seen sentiments like the above from the right a lot more often than I've seen anything celebratory from the left.

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I have yet to see one single celebratory comment.

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There are thousands of posts like this and far worse.
Don't look for yourself so you can feel nice and smug.

LIBERAL: "The best part of this whole thing is [Charlie Kirk] is not martyr material! So his death will mean nothing, it will activate no one, it will impact few."

Oh, she has no clue. At all.pic.twitter.com/dVWYibTEPt

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) September 11, 2025

Forgot to paste

concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

socaltownie said:

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The moments of silence feel appropriate for a publoc figure. Guessing there was one for john lennen. It is airforce 2 and suggeations for him to lie in state that are massively over the top.

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I don't have a problem with a moment of silence - it gives everyone a moment of pause to consider the difference between speech and violence.

Europe has fought many incredibly brutal wars. They hold themselves in check constantly. It's good for them to remember what happens if they run amuck in action like a bunch of BearInsider posters do in word.

In other words, they aren't honoring everything Charlie Kirk stood for. They are honoring free speech, dishonoring violent silencing of it.
That's my hope, anyways.

DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Go outside, get some fresh air, stop believing everything you see on the internet. I hope you find peace, your soul needs it.

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Maybe take your own advice? How many times have you posted in the last hour?

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25 posts since 4:42 pm.
I guess he's making up for lost time.

lol

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Who cares.
I wouldn't go after this angle.

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On CNN,a representative said 2/3rd of violent talk comes from the radical right, 1/3 from left.

I didn't catch who.
But I believe him.

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Is this the same CNN rep that said Kamala is up 3 points over Trump in Iowa?

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Not sure.
But it may be the same one who says you're annoying.

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dajo9 said:

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Charlie Kirk would tell underage girls how they should live their lives. That makes him a groomer as well as all the other descriptions of him.

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Not a groomer, a mentor. That's beyond a stretch.

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If you presume to tell my underage daughter how she should live her life without my agreement then you are a groomer.

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I think a groomer is one who is going after the individual for personal involvement with them.

Maybe use a different word?
I think you're way off line of what you mean. But whatever, I'm not interested in debating it with you. Just sharing my definition of the word.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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Still true except for the social media chattering class. They turn words into blood- it will continue because they are chained to the beast that feeds them. No normal person knows who Charlie Kirk is.

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On one hand, all the freaks on this social media forum are apparently aware of who Charlie Kirk is, on the other hand, so are the thousands of young people who showed up to hear him speak at the Utah college as well the tens of thousands of other students who showed up to his Turning Point USA events throughout the years.

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Freaks is right. Almost everyone on this board follows and reports social media as some kind of validation of their posts so this is not America.

3000 people at Utah Valley University, big deal.

Anarchistbear said:

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I'm guessing that the killer does not view his actions in a left- right divide as on view in this thread. If for no other reason than these views are very minority. Most people are more nuanced

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We await the manifesto.

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Pardon, but I think you stepped into our back and forth and took it a different way.

I'm not going to take the time to reply to what you wrote - only to say you're misinterpreting what we were talking about. And I don't want to be wrongly interpreted for others to wrongly interpret.

BearGoggles said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

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Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

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movielover said:

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His idea isn't hate as there have been over 60 million abortions since Roe. His statement is correct if you consider a baby a life.

60 million > Hitler: 12 million

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This just goes to show how out of touch with reality you are.

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I have a family member in PA who for 25 years has been on fire over "murderers" in the Democrat party because they believe in abortions.

So, I now see we can put ML in that category. Radical Christian right.

There is no reasoning with these people. They are guided by a mindset which tells them they are right, with god on their side, and others are wrong, influenced and corrupted by Satin.

The Believers feel special, with a life purpose that drives everything. It's a form of brainwashing. I know the community. You feel like if you allow anything else in, that is doubt, the work of the Devil. Mental discipline is noble, but it can be wrong minded. Nazis were the same way. It's not easy to kill other humans, but when you feel you are on a holy crusade, it becomes easier.

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There's no reasoning with ideologues.

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE.
Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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I think they said he had security, but that all a small detail can do is prevent a close-up attack (like what happened to Salmon Rushdie). No way he could afford a Secret Service type detail (and we saw in the case of the Trump shooting, even that is no guarantee).

Anyway, I think we've seen the end of these outdoor rallies by anybody who's the least bit controversial.

Speaking of, have they caught the perp yet? I keep checking every hour or two...

I figure, in this day and age, with the forensics and the cameras everywhere, no way the guy can escape for long. I mean, could he? (Watch, they catch him right as I press "Post".)

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I kinda think it'd be funny if he escapes to the other side of the world. DB Cooper.

I also think that'd be awesome for Trump and FoxNews. So long as he remains an unknown, they can make him be whomever they want him to be.

Before too long, they will have it that he will be the long lost ******* child of Barack Obama and Kamala Harris - she gave him up for adoption.

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I predict the perp will get busted tomorrow. (Fri).. or maybe the next day. Anybody want to bet a cyber-beverage?

Kind of interesting to me: How adept would he have to be to not ever get caught? Or even to make it through September? Would it take "next level" CIA-type skills? I thought, from looking at those pics that were released, he coulda used a little more disguise. Or maybe he was! Maybe, minus the disguise, it's Margaret Cho!

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He is not misogynist either. He is anti grooming and anti polygamy

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Naaaaaa, of course not.

He blames the low birthrate in the country on women who dont want to stay at home and have kids, and instead want careers.

Youre terribly out of touch.

DiabloWags said:

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HawaiiNear33 said:

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He is not misogynist either. He is anti grooming and anti polygamy

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Naaaaaa, of course not.

He blames the low birthrate in the country on women who dont want to stay at home and have kids, and instead want careers.

Youre terribly out of touch.

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And he murders them for it?
And he shames them for it?

No and no

When was the last time the right made a bunch of dancing TikTok videos celebrating the assassination of someone on the left? NEVER! We are NOT THE SAME!

They are literally making dancing videos celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death and the liberal filled comment section is cheering… pic.twitter.com/8eVcHWUPDn

— Kali Fontanilla (@KaliFontanilla) September 11, 2025

Black podcaster logically refutes the "Charlie Kirk is racist" for noting FBI crime statistics. (Short version.)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNX3OhKAgOV/?igsh=MTlwazZqdGpzNnU3Yg==

A retired UC professor sent me a posting from a UC campus. It is a black and white drawing of CK head and neck - on the bottom it says "DEBATE THIS" - the eyes are rolling back in his head, and blood is squirting out from his neck. He says they're all over campus. Here it is on a tshirt - don't know when it was originally posted.

https://wildfoxtee.com/product/charlie-kirk-debate-this-drawing-shirt/

Typical.

England — The @OxfordUnion's incoming president, who debated Charlie Kirk in May, celebrated his killing. George Abaraonye (pictured below), who also served in an advisory role to Oxford University for DEI matters, laughed about it on messages and appeared to urge for more. pic.twitter.com/8aV3vMHIXn

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 12, 2025

You labeling somebody with your left driven hate words like misogynist fuel about half of your fellow liberals to glorify violence.

He is probably right about the reason for low birth rates reason and he did not try to force every woman to stop their careers.


You one of those free Palestine dudes? Whole religion of misogyny.


I did come across Paul pelosi and looked up more details and admit that there was violence from the right including mockery from Trump. Huge difference between injury and carotid shot though.

URGENT. FYI.

After Charlie Kirk, on the sky app there are people asking for the next person to be targeted. These include JK Rowling, Matt Walsh, Trump, Ben Shapiro, Libs of TikTok, Elon Musk, and Andy Ngo.

I took as many screenshots as I could. pic.twitter.com/CnZmmJAjvh

— Jennifer 🟥🔴🧙‍♀️🦉🐈‍⬛ 🦖 (@babybeginner) September 11, 2025

About half your party hopes for this list to all get checked off

BREAKING 🚨 Chiefs All Star Quarterback, Patrick Mahomes just promised to pay for both of Charlie Kirk’s children’s Education and Living expenses ❤️

I am in tears wow 🙏 pic.twitter.com/iFFkF4aCte

— MAGA Voice (@MAGAVoice) September 12, 2025

This is cool

Charlie Kirk would have been president. His friends knew it. His admirers knew it. And his enemies knew it.

This universal confidence in Charlie’s future began with his countless political accomplishments. At 18, he founded Turning Point USA, which went on to become the most…

— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) September 11, 2025

EXPOSED: American spent all day doing her own investigation and TMZ lied. They were 100% cheering at the news Charlie Kirk had just been assassinated

TMZ 100% lied about the car chase video and it’s proven by timestamps

This is so good. Cancel TMZ pic.twitter.com/QvvT2gKiVv

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) September 12, 2025

Not cool

My prediction: Trump will be impeached for a 3rd time over Charlie Kirk's killing.

Packers QB Jordan Love has donated $320,000 to support Charlie Kirk’s family.
$120,000 for murals and floral memorials.
$200,000 for a trust fund securing his daughters’ future.
Just yesterday, Love donated $180,000 to Honoring Iryna Zarutska. pic.twitter.com/bMtiannDyR

— RestoreAmerica (@Freedom7Restore) September 11, 2025

Cool

This transgender filth isn’t just celebrating Charlie Kirk’s murder. He’s gloating that Kirk’s wife and two kids are in pain, and he wants you to know he takes joy in their suffering. pic.twitter.com/6viw7mtC8j

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) September 11, 2025

Not cool

Germany has mad problems

"Death of an Arsonist"

Charlie Kirks legacy is killed again in Germany.
This is the first thing millions of Germans will read about him tomorrow.

This journalism is preparation for terrorism.

Terrorism-Journalism is complicit.

It's only thanks to X & @elonmusk that we can… pic.twitter.com/zL3zG6YDSD

— Martin Sellner (@Martin_Sellner) September 11, 2025

Endless series…go look for yourselves

Your party is evil but you are too afraid to look at reality

HOLY SMOKES: Benny Johnson just SNAPPED at Chris Cuomo for implying the hate is coming from both sides...including from Charlie Kirk.

Cuomo immediately tried to walk it back…because he knew what was coming.

What followed was scorched earth.@bennyjohnson fired back with both… pic.twitter.com/mDYaaH4VCb

— Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) September 12, 2025

🇺🇸 Erika Kirk, full in tears, holding a rosary, waved to supporters escorting Charlie Kirk’s body to a chapel in Arizona. pic.twitter.com/kAVEJdEebM

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) September 12, 2025

okaydo said:

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My prediction: Trump will be impeached for a 3rd time over Charlie Kirk's killing.

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LOL

Since I'm in Vegas….
You're putting chips on both Red AND Black.




https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2541791

okaydo said:

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My prediction is that by this time next week, we will have moved on and the Charlie Kirk story will be forgotten (unless the killer is still on the loose.

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Trump said on Foxnews that he was told 5 minutes before sitting down that they have the shooter in custody.


"Oh! Me Me Me Me Me!!!!
I am the one who gets to tell everyone!!!!"




The shooters father told him to turn himself in. Press conference in 15 minutes.

He's in his early 20's.
He's from Utah.

And, if I understood correctly:
A family member is a minister, has a friend who is associated with US Marshals.
The father then got involved.

Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more

[Instrumental Break]

[Verse 1]
Once I rose above the noise and confusion
Just to get a glimpse beyond this illusion
I was soaring ever higher, but I flew too high
Though my eyes could see, I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think, I still was a madman
I hear the voices when I'm dreaming
I can hear them say




[Chorus]
Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more

[Verse 2]
Masquerading as a man with a reason
My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim to be a wise man, well
It surely means that I don't know
On a stormy sea of moving emotion
Tossed about, I'm like a ship on the ocean
I set a course for winds of fortune
But I hear the voices say

[Chorus]
Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more (No)

[Guitar Solo]

[Bridge]
(Carry on) You will always remember
(Carry on) Nothing equals the splendor
Now your life's no longer empty
Surely Heaven waits for you

[Chorus]
Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
(Don't you cry) Don't you cry no more

Name is Tyler Robinson.
22 years old.


Poor sap.
He'll be facing the death penalty.
His family is just sick sick sick.




And Trump was asked this very question on FoxNews.
This could be prosecuted as a federal crime and he could face both state and federal death penalty cases.

Trump said "I hope he gets the death penalty."

You guys need a new comeback. The nazi thing ain't working.

Life starts at conception my friend. Learn biology