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In reply to socaltownie • 10:29p, 9/17/25
socaltownie said:
You really have outdone yourself. Is this parody?


Opps.

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:38p, 9/17/25
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dajo9 said:
sycasey said:
dajo9 said:
BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
Big C said:
socaltownie said:
dajo9 said:
The first 20 minutes or so of this podcast by Kara Swisher and Professor Galloway was very well done, in my opinion, about the huge underlying issue here of our children being poisoned by the internet. "Violence entreprenuers" and "conflict entrepreneurs" were good phrases used. I think anybody listening could find something to quibble with - for example, though they mentioned access to guns, I think they underplayed that aspect. You'd find your own quibbles, however. . .

I really think there has to be some bipartisan common ground here that the internet is poisoning our children and it all needs to be reigned in. Professor Galloway suggested removing Section 230 for algorithmic content. I don't pretend to know about the law or technology enough to have a specific remedy other than strongly enforcing anti-trust which I support. But whatever your remedy, don't we have some kind of bipartisan common ground that the internet is making us addicts and causing severe damage to our society and our youth, in particular?


I am COMPLETELY in agreement.

For me I go back to actually a "non" political horror (if anything can be non-political) - the incel fueled massacre at UCSB in 2014. I am in NO WAY justifying the killing. But it is clear that that murderer was DEEPLY screwed up by an on-line culture and feed and conflict entrepreneurs that preyed on someone with deep underlying pschosis and then essentially set him off like a human bomb that lead to 6 deaths. His rantings are terrifying.

Now imagine a different world were youtube and facebook and other internet companies have a standard of not strict liability but some effort to moderate and flag and remove. No psychic affirmation from publishing a manifesto. No live streaming. No easily connecting with other lonely men (****, were we not mostly all lonely and occasionally depressed in our 20s).

Would Meta's and googles business model have to change? Absolutely!! Would they be less profitable? Probably. I highly doubt they close and then we would get several thousand of people paid (not a great job but a job) to sit and read posts flagged by AI and then take actions. We might also get the end of anominity on the internet - not a bad thing so that people can be held liable if they egg on and encourage someone to go on a killing spree.

I realize that this will create one big huge feeding frenzy from the trial bar. I am less keen on that then many. But I know that you gotta hold companies liable if they are making a product which is unsafe. Or put it another way.....most Pintos did not explode and kill people. Most absetos did not lead to lung disease. But sometimes cars did blow up. Asbestos improperly used does kill people. Tort liability works and the world is better when we use it to bring about more responbsible behavior.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings


Scott Galloway is great (so is Kara Swisher, author of Burn Book - A Tech Love Story). Galloway is spot on, talking about the challenges that young men are facing.

From my own experience, this became obvious when teaching at a high school in which 75% of the graduates do not go on directly to a four-year college. Most of them, instead, go to the local CC, where a number of those flunk out after a year or two.

So what do you do when you're 20 years old and your opportunities for success are now greatly limited? Many of them had harbored ambitions of being a professional athlete, a rapper, or an influencer. Very few see themselves as a plumber or electrician because that would entail actual work. They have spent a couple of years living at home and working part-time in the service industry, so they've had some pocket money, which they've spent. And now their parents are suggesting that they move out on their own.

Talk about an inflection point. Yikes.


Way too many young men / teens that i see are way too addicted to screens. Young women seem far more capable of escaping that addiction, though social media has wrecked plentyof them too.

It isn't the fault of women or a society treating boys and men unfairly. It is that we have created a society which males seem uniquely defenseless against. They need our help and we need to change things without giving in to this victimhood complex that the rights wants to foster.


The young girls that I teach are 10x more addicted to their devices and the internet than the boys are.


What age group?

Believe he said middle school before.


That checks out with my anecdotal experience. My daughter was 16 when she told me she was concerned with the online behavior of the 12 year old girls. It pained her to agree with me about the detriment of screen time to kids. I think girls are more likely to grow out of it at a younger age than boys. Just my anecdotal experience.


You could be right, I don't argue that. In my experience teaching middle school, the girls are much more phone obsessed than the boys. The school I work at has a no phone policy during school hours, phones locked in lockers before 1st period and can be taken out again after last period. As soon as the school day ends, every single student that has a phone is on it. On average, the boys look for about a minute then put it away and walk out while the girls stand at their lockers for several minutes on their phone then walk out still using their phones.


Having taught HS for almost 20 years and now having a 13 yr old daughter and a 16 yr old son, I can affirm that this is an accurate portrayal of teenage life these days. Pretty much everything posters have said is true regarding phones and social media. Good parents take steps to keep things in check. My daughter recently got an apple watch, but she doesn't have a phone yet.
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:13a, 9/18/25
dajo9 said:
Big C said:
socaltownie said:
dajo9 said:
The first 20 minutes or so of this podcast by Kara Swisher and Professor Galloway was very well done, in my opinion, about the huge underlying issue here of our children being poisoned by the internet. "Violence entreprenuers" and "conflict entrepreneurs" were good phrases used. I think anybody listening could find something to quibble with - for example, though they mentioned access to guns, I think they underplayed that aspect. You'd find your own quibbles, however. . .

I really think there has to be some bipartisan common ground here that the internet is poisoning our children and it all needs to be reigned in. Professor Galloway suggested removing Section 230 for algorithmic content. I don't pretend to know about the law or technology enough to have a specific remedy other than strongly enforcing anti-trust which I support. But whatever your remedy, don't we have some kind of bipartisan common ground that the internet is making us addicts and causing severe damage to our society and our youth, in particular?


I am COMPLETELY in agreement.

For me I go back to actually a "non" political horror (if anything can be non-political) - the incel fueled massacre at UCSB in 2014. I am in NO WAY justifying the killing. But it is clear that that murderer was DEEPLY screwed up by an on-line culture and feed and conflict entrepreneurs that preyed on someone with deep underlying pschosis and then essentially set him off like a human bomb that lead to 6 deaths. His rantings are terrifying.

Now imagine a different world were youtube and facebook and other internet companies have a standard of not strict liability but some effort to moderate and flag and remove. No psychic affirmation from publishing a manifesto. No live streaming. No easily connecting with other lonely men (****, were we not mostly all lonely and occasionally depressed in our 20s).

Would Meta's and googles business model have to change? Absolutely!! Would they be less profitable? Probably. I highly doubt they close and then we would get several thousand of people paid (not a great job but a job) to sit and read posts flagged by AI and then take actions. We might also get the end of anominity on the internet - not a bad thing so that people can be held liable if they egg on and encourage someone to go on a killing spree.

I realize that this will create one big huge feeding frenzy from the trial bar. I am less keen on that then many. But I know that you gotta hold companies liable if they are making a product which is unsafe. Or put it another way.....most Pintos did not explode and kill people. Most absetos did not lead to lung disease. But sometimes cars did blow up. Asbestos improperly used does kill people. Tort liability works and the world is better when we use it to bring about more responbsible behavior.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings


Scott Galloway is great (so is Kara Swisher, author of Burn Book - A Tech Love Story). Galloway is spot on, talking about the challenges that young men are facing.

From my own experience, this became obvious when teaching at a high school in which 75% of the graduates do not go on directly to a four-year college. Most of them, instead, go to the local CC, where a number of those flunk out after a year or two.

So what do you do when you're 20 years old and your opportunities for success are now greatly limited? Many of them had harbored ambitions of being a professional athlete, a rapper, or an influencer. Very few see themselves as a plumber or electrician because that would entail actual work. They have spent a couple of years living at home and working part-time in the service industry, so they've had some pocket money, which they've spent. And now their parents are suggesting that they move out on their own.

Talk about an inflection point. Yikes.


Way too many young men / teens that i see are way too addicted to screens. Young women seem far more capable of escaping that addiction, though social media has wrecked plentyof them too.

It isn't the fault of women or a society treating boys and men unfairly. It is that we have created a society which males seem uniquely defenseless against. They need our help and we need to change things without giving in to this victimhood complex that the rights wants to foster.

And right on cue, Paul Krugman has a great article about the plight of men in our economy and their political exploitation.
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/exploiting-male-rage?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=277517&post_id=173927362&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1pg2a5&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Also, Wired with a great article about the dystopian response of the right to the Charlie Kirk shooting
https://www.wired.com/story/inside-trumpworlds-reality-distortion-field/?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=wired&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_091825_PAID&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_content=WIR_Daily_091825_PAID&bxid=67a217a2c3e70810d701c617&cndid=86119686&hasha=fe4a914de237cb0b8fb6be05adb5d284&hashc=251f05b046d796077aa78b118dd02018c3f9778238030c0c89c939a3a8c45402&esrc=MARTECH_ORDERFORM&utm_term=WIR_DAILY_PAID
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:35a, 9/18/25
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Violence entreprenuer

Like Jimmy Kimmel?


This is not what Kimmel actually says. You can argue that he was implying it, but it's not what he said.


Renember, Maggats have reading comprehension stuck at the 6th grade level


Are you jealous of them, yourself being stuck at the 4th grade level?


No.

Im not jealous of losers who live in their parents basement posting 30x a day on a message board that doesnt move the needle about what a felon like Donald Trump thinks.

Only a LOW LIFE STALKER MAGGOT would belive otherwise.


lol so not based. Yes let's criticize people for posting on a forum… oh wait that's what forums are for
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:36a, 9/18/25
DiabloWags said:
You cant put me on IGNORE.
I am like oxygen for you.
I give you LIFE.

Snowflake.



Somebody thinks too highly of themselves
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:48a, 9/18/25
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
You cant put me on IGNORE.
I am like oxygen for you.
I give you LIFE.

Snowflake.



Somebody thinks too highly of themselves


Says another guy who thinks about me when he first wakes up.
6:35 am

Renting more free space . . .


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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:57a, 9/18/25
DiabloWags said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
You cant put me on IGNORE.
I am like oxygen for you.
I give you LIFE.

Snowflake.



Somebody thinks too highly of themselves


Says another guy who thinks about me when he first wakes up.
6:35 am

Renting more free space . . .




Yea I wake up and check my phone like the rest of the world lol. You're the one stalking my posts buddy boy.

I love how you project your problems onto everyone else, I deal with this with middle schoolers all day. Your mentality matches theirs, sometimes even lower

Also great that you're using my line for you because I've been living rent free in your head since I started posting
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11:41a, 9/18/25
Amuse: Beyond a Lone Wolf: The Evidence of Antifa Involvement in the Kirk Assassination



Benz goes deep.


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12:52p, 9/18/25
The excuses / disinformation are boundless

He lays it all out quite succinctly
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/129223/replies/2548150
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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In reply to movielover • 5:03p, 9/18/25
Why are you continually challenged by the word "oops"?

I get that you are changed by lots of things, but this one seems pretty basic even for a MAGA bot.
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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:09p, 9/18/25
dajo9 said:
The first 20 minutes or so of this podcast by Kara Swisher and Professor Galloway was very well done, in my opinion, about the huge underlying issue here of our children being poisoned by the internet. "Violence entreprenuers" and "conflict entrepreneurs" were good phrases used. I think anybody listening could find something to quibble with - for example, though they mentioned access to guns, I think they underplayed that aspect. You'd find your own quibbles, however. . .

I really think there has to be some bipartisan common ground here that the internet is poisoning our children and it all needs to be reigned in. Professor Galloway suggested removing Section 230 for algorithmic content. I don't pretend to know about the law or technology enough to have a specific remedy other than strongly enforcing anti-trust which I support. But whatever your remedy, don't we have some kind of bipartisan common ground that the internet is making us addicts and causing severe damage to our society and our youth, in particular?


Galloway has a lot of interesting things to say. Most of the time, he comes across as reasonable and thought out, with some bias thrown in. He seems genuinely concerned about the development of young people and the impacts of technology on culture.

Swisher, however, goes out of her way to be exceptionally nasty in most interviews, typically in a hyper partisan manner. Ironically, she is part of the problem in poisoning the culture. I find it rich that she doesn't realize her behavior and words are part of the problem.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 5:11p, 9/18/25
"97% of the networks sad bad things about me. Maybe we should take their license away" - Trump


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In reply to DiabloWags • 5:33p, 9/18/25
Where then will you get your "news" from?
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 5:39p, 9/18/25
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Where then will you get your "news" from?


Your podcast with Movielover.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 5:47p, 9/18/25
The puppet show
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:00p, 9/18/25
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PAC-10-BEAR said:
Where then will you get your "news" from?


Your podcast with Movielover.


Get me that Patreon link now!
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In reply to going4roses • 6:04p, 9/18/25
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The puppet show


Lmfao!

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6:08p, 9/18/25
CTRL+C / CTRL+V with P10B and Movielover
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In reply to Muckieeye • 6:12p, 9/18/25
Muckieeye said:
Why are you continually challenged by the word "oops"?

I get that you are changed by lots of things, but this one seems pretty basic even for a MAGA bot.


Possible he means opps? Slang for opposition/opponent/enemy. No clue if that's the case or not but possible
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In reply to Haloski • 6:48p, 9/18/25
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CTRL+C / CTRL+V with P10B and Movielover


Heard theyre doing a deal with NEXTSTAR.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:13p, 9/18/25
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They should've killed him. This thread would be history
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7:34p, 9/18/25


OBAMA DISCUSSING KIRK
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 7:36p, 9/18/25
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PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:39p, 9/18/25
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Anarchistbear said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum


He's already been murdered. I'm just looking at the convenience aspect. He would have died two years ago during the Biden administration.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:59p, 9/18/25
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Anarchistbear said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum

If encouraging murder violated this forum's rules, it wouldn't have lasted past 2017.

Interested to learn though how one encourages the murder of someone who is already dead.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:00p, 9/18/25
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"97% of the networks sad bad things about me. Maybe we should take their license away" - Trump



What does this have to do with Scott Galloway or Kara Swisher and my comments about them (i.e., the post you replied to)?

Your brain is broken. It can't get past "Trump is bad." Truly bizarre.
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10:49p, 9/18/25

OOPS, I spent a half hour of my life on this thread today... and now I can never get that back. Coulda been worse: I coulda been doing chores.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 2:23a, 9/19/25
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BearlySane88 said:
Anarchistbear said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum

He's already been murdered. I'm just looking at the convenience aspect. He would have died two years ago during the Biden administration.

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In reply to Anarchistbear • 6:18a, 9/19/25
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BearlySane88 said:
Anarchistbear said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum


He's already been murdered. I'm just looking at the convenience aspect. He would have died two years ago during the Biden administration.


Bro what?
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In reply to ACC Bear • 6:19a, 9/19/25
ACC Bear said:
BearlySane88 said:
Anarchistbear said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


They should've killed him. This thread would be history


Ummmm why are you encouraging murder? That's gotta be a violation of some rule here on this forum

If encouraging murder violated this forum's rules, it wouldn't have lasted past 2017.

Interested to learn though how one encourages the murder of someone who is already dead.


How is encouraging murder allowed here or anywhere?

He's encouraging that he should have been murdered earlier. Not sure how that's confusing
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Kimmel did himself in.

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In reply to movielover • 9:52a
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Kimmel did himself in.


The government shouldn't step in to make him apologize for anything.
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