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Aunburdened
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?

It's actually astounding how you can't see the difference.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

bearister said:



People here have been telling me that this guy's state was cooperating more with ICE than Minnesota and that's why there are so many agents there. Gimme a break.


Red states and cities are cooperating more, not Gavy

So ICE should be pouring into California like in Minnesota. Surely there are more illegal immigrants there. Why not? Because this is political and related to Walz and the Somali stuff.
sycasey
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?

It's actually astounding how you can't see the difference.

I'd ask you to explain further, but you already said that's not your job.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?

BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground
BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

bearister said:



People here have been telling me that this guy's state was cooperating more with ICE than Minnesota and that's why there are so many agents there. Gimme a break.


Red states and cities are cooperating more, not Gavy

So ICE should be pouring into California like in Minnesota. Surely there are more illegal immigrants there. Why not? Because this is political and related to Walz and the Somali stuff.


Oh they will. Just wait.
Aunburdened
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?

It's actually astounding how you can't see the difference.

I'd ask you to explain further, but you already said that's not your job.

I'll allow your own statement to do all the talking for me.
sycasey
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?

It's actually astounding how you can't see the difference.

I'd ask you to explain further, but you already said that's not your job.

I'll allow your own statement to do all the talking for me.

If you would care to elaborate, I'm happy to consider your argument. I legit do not understand your point here.
Big C
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tequila4kapp said:

He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.

I agree that Mr. Pretti and Ms. Good put themselves in jeopardy with their actions.

However, there is indeed a complicated aspect to the situation. These "LEO"s are a rag-tag, poorly trained, under-uniformed outfit whose presence is not wanted by most people in Minneapolis-St Paul. This most recent incident leaves them looking like a bunch of thugs who have been given free reign by an authoritarian leader. It looks like a Banana Republic out there... except colder. I'd reference China, but the CCP would have them in better uniforms and standardized vehicles.

If people like Ms. Good and Mr. Pretti are willing to put themselves at risk, more power to them. I would not do it myself, nor would I recommend my family members do it, but somebody should. Because it's gone way too far, especially with our federal leaders seemingly having zero remorse for what they have created.
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Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.

I agree that Mr. Pretti and Ms. Good put themselves in jeopardy with their actions.

However, there is indeed a complicated aspect to the situation. These "LEO"s are a rag-tag, poorly trained, under-uniformed outfit whose presence is not wanted by most people in Minneapolis-St Paul. This most recent incident leaves them looking like a bunch of thugs who have been given free reign by an authoritarian leader. It looks like a Banana Republic out there... except colder. I'd reference China, but the CCP would have them in better uniforms and standardized vehicles.

If people like Ms. Good and Mr. Pretti are willing to put themselves at risk, more power to them. I would not do it myself, nor would I recommend my family members do it, but somebody should. Because it's gone way too far, especially with our federal leaders seemingly having zero remorse for what they have created.


You often have reasonable takes and I can understand feeling all of things you just wrote about. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of it but I can understand how someone would feel that way. Do you not put any blame on the leadership in Minnesota or does all blame go to Trump and his people?
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.

DiabloWags
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This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
Lots of keyboard warriors and holier than thou.

It's absolutely disgusting.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.
BearlySane88
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DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already known but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.
Aunburdened
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Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.

I agree that Mr. Pretti and Ms. Good put themselves in jeopardy with their actions.

However, there is indeed a complicated aspect to the situation. These "LEO"s are a rag-tag, poorly trained, under-uniformed outfit whose presence is not wanted by most people in Minneapolis-St Paul. This most recent incident leaves them looking like a bunch of thugs who have been given free reign by an authoritarian leader. It looks like a Banana Republic out there... except colder. I'd reference China, but the CCP would have them in better uniforms and standardized vehicles.

If people like Ms. Good and Mr. Pretti are willing to put themselves at risk, more power to them. I would not do it myself, nor would I recommend my family members do it, but somebody should. Because it's gone way too far, especially with our federal leaders seemingly having zero remorse for what they have created.

I agree with every thing you say right up until "somebody should." Yes it's gone too far. Yes this is exactly what these leaders want. But don't throw you own life away in the process. Both those people died pointlessly. You think Pretti's parents are glad he did what he did? You think Good's partner isn't lying up awake at night regretting that they chose to be on that street that day?

Would you say someone should walk through a dangerous neighborhood alone at 2AM in the morning? I mean, they have the right to do it. But having the right to do it is no consolation for your loved ones when they find out you were assaulted or murdered because you didn't take your own safety seriously.

These are dangerous highly volatile situations they are putting themselves in.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.

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BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.
BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark
BearlySane88
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Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.


Okay this made me laugh but then I felt bad because a life was lost
DiabloWags
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Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.


Maybe you could have driven him around in your Minivan. With the Bernie Sanders bumper stickers.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?
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DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.

Maybe you could have driven him around in your Minivan.

I would have driven him home to his parents and told them what a stupid irresponsible son they have and he's lucky to be alive.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

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The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?


When he put hands on him at the 3/4 second mark. Put his arm into the ICE agent and that's a no no. Like bumping a ref in football.
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BearlySane88 said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.


I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.

Okay this made me laugh but then I felt bad because a life was lost

Remember that you're laughing at AntiochWags and his utter hypocrisy, not the dead man.
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Aunburdened said:

DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.



I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.

Maybe you could have driven him around in your Minivan.

I would have driven him home to his parents and told them what a stupid irresponsible son they have and he's lucky to be alive.


Cool story.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

This thread sure has brought out people's true colors.
It's absolutely disgusting.


I don't think anyone has said anything today that wasn't already know but I guess you know how we felt when Charlie was murdered.

I think Pretti should have hired a better security team.

Okay this made me laugh but then I felt bad because a life was lost

Remember that you're laughing at AntiochWags and his utter hypocrisy, not the dead man.


I still don't like laughing at death. I know some here think I'm a heartless monster but I really am against people being killed. I would much prefer you drove him home to his parents.
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?


When he put hands on him at the 3/4 second mark. Put his arm into the ICE agent and that's a no no. Like bumping a ref in football.

So you've retreated from "pushed" to "put hands." Oh no, he touched the ICE agent as he moved past him.

Remember that this whole thread started with me saying that Pretti behaved non-violently. I think I'll stand by that.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?


When he put hands on him at the 3/4 second mark. Put his arm into the ICE agent and that's a no no. Like bumping a ref in football.

So you've retreated from "pushed" to "put hands." Oh no, he touched the ICE agent as he moved past him.

Remember that this whole thread started with me saying that Pretti behaved non-violently. I think I'll stand by that.



I'm not retreating, my bad I haven't memorized the incident like you have. Did he put hands on an ICE agent? Did he get in between an ICE agent and another individual? He's no longer just an observer when he put himself in those situations.
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?


When he put hands on him at the 3/4 second mark. Put his arm into the ICE agent and that's a no no. Like bumping a ref in football.

So you've retreated from "pushed" to "put hands." Oh no, he touched the ICE agent as he moved past him.

Remember that this whole thread started with me saying that Pretti behaved non-violently. I think I'll stand by that.



I'm not retreating, my bad I haven't memorized the incident like you have. Did he put hands on an ICE agent? Did he get in between an ICE agent and another individual? He's no longer just an observer when he put himself in those situations.

Yes, I already said Pretti put himself in between the agent and the woman he was pushing around. You said he pushed the agent. He did not.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:





The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.

MLK found a way to protest non-violently and won the hearts and minds of people as a result. There were people that participated that were murdered, but they didn't do anything to provoke the people that killed them.


What? MLK's people absolutely knew they were provoking the cops. In those days, sitting at a segregated lunch counter was sure to provoke a response. They did that on purpose, knowing that the violet crackdown would engender sympathy when the TV cameras captured it. This was their whole strategy. I'm not sure how much you actually know about this history.

Yes, they protested non-violently. Can you argue that the guy killed today was doing anything violent?


He did physically push an ICE agent

When?




Right about the 30 second mark of that video when he got in between the ICE agent and the woman on the ground

Wrong. He stepped in between, no push. Only push was from ICE.





The camera turns away when I think the push happens.

Not there from this angle either.




He definitely puts hands on the ICE agent at the 3/4 second mark

You said he pushed him. Where?


When he put hands on him at the 3/4 second mark. Put his arm into the ICE agent and that's a no no. Like bumping a ref in football.

So you've retreated from "pushed" to "put hands." Oh no, he touched the ICE agent as he moved past him.

Remember that this whole thread started with me saying that Pretti behaved non-violently. I think I'll stand by that.



I'm not retreating, my bad I haven't memorized the incident like you have. Did he put hands on an ICE agent? Did he get in between an ICE agent and another individual? He's no longer just an observer when he put himself in those situations.

Yes, I already said Pretti put himself in between the agent and the woman he was pushing around. You said he pushed the agent. He did not.


Now you're just arguing semantics. He put his hands on the agent and interfered
 
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