BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Anarchistbear said:

---

Aunburdened said:

---

sycasey said:

---

🚨BREAKING: ANOTHER PERSON SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS

pic.twitter.com/fO4OfgJ7Wb

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) January 24, 2026

---

The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

---

I agree that it makes no sense to confront people with guns who a) are not local and b) ready to use them. It's more like US soldiers in Iraq than police who are under the auspices of government

---

These incidents captured on video are quickly turning public opinion and forcing the politicians to react.

---

Are they? I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen any one switch sides over this. It just emboldens both sides and whatever their original belief was is now stronger, imo.

---

I know you don't trust polls except the ones that are good for Trump, but . . . yes, it looks like public opinion is turning sharply against ICE.

Polling on Abolishing ICE

Sep 2024 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +47
Jul 2025 (YouGov): 🔴 Oppose +18
Jan 2026 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +6
Jan 2026 (YouGov): 🟢 Support +3

— VoteHub (@VoteHub) January 24, 2026

The good news is that there is a galaxy of room between the positions "defund ICE" and "let's get ICE officers under control so that they are not engaging in violation of civil rights, violation of due process, violating use of force standards and summarily executing people in the streets."

"As of January 25, 2026, no independent use of force experts have publicly opined that the shooting of Alex Pretti was legitimate. Support for the shooting's legitimacy has come exclusively from federal administration officials, while legal and gun rights experts have raised significant doubts about the official narrative.

The current landscape of expert and official opinion includes:

Federal Official Defense: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem and Border Patrol Commander-at-Large Gregory Bovino have stated the agents acted according to their training and in self-defense. They claimed Pretti approached officers with a handgun and "violently resisted" during a federal operation.

Legal Challenges to Legitimacy: A court filing in the case Tincher v. Noem argues that the use of force was lawful based on the "reasonable perception of imminent deadly force" standard. However, this filing was made in the context of defending the administration, not as an independent expert review.

Gun Rights Group Skepticism: Experts from groups like the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus have questioned the legitimacy of the shooting. A lawyer for the group suggested that the first shot may have been a "negligent discharge" by an agent who had already confiscated Pretti's weapon, which then triggered the fatal gunfire from another agent.

Video Discrepancies: Multiple videos and witness affidavits contradict the federal account.

Analysis of the footage suggests an agent removed a gun from Pretti's waistband before another agent opened fire, and Pretti never appeared to wield or point the weapon.

State and Local Condemnation: Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara have publicly questioned the federal narrative, with Walz calling the claim of self-defense "nonsense" after reviewing the video evidence."
AI Overview

Here's what we do know.

ICE agents were conducting a targeted federal enforcement operation in Minneapolis, Minnesota. This was not random. This was not a sweep of innocent bystanders. It was a lawful operation carried out by trained federal agents in a major U.S. city.

The individual they were attempting to detain was JOSE HUERTA-CHUMA, an illegal alien from Ecuador with a documented criminal history, including domestic assault, attempted bodily harm, and disorderly conduct. That information was released by DHS. These are facts.

During that operation, ALEX PRETTI, a 37-year-old U.S. citizen and nurse, inserted himself into the situation.

Pretti was not peacefully protesting from the sidelines. He was not merely observing. He physically interfered with an active federal enforcement operation. He chose to place himself between ICE agents and the individual they were lawfully attempting to detain, and he did so while armed, carrying a handgun and additional magazines.

Ask yourself the questions no one wants to answer:

Why did he feel entitled to insert himself into a federal operation?
Why bring a firearm into an already volatile situation?
Why attempt to obstruct agents doing their job?

Even if this had been local police, the outcome would not change. You do not interfere with an arrest. You do not obstruct law enforcement. And you certainly do not do so while armed.

Had someone approached police officers in the middle of an arrest with a gun, whether to "help," "intervene," or "make a point", the result would be the same.
Had someone approached a mayor or a governor while armed and inserting themselves into a security situation, the result would be the same.

This is not about ideology. This is about choices and consequences.

We are still awaiting body-cam footage and additional evidence, and yes, the full picture matters. But what is already clear is this: he put himself in the middle of a law-enforcement operation while armed, and that decision escalated a dangerous situation that never needed to involve him at all.

And now let's talk about accountability at the leadership level, because this did not happen in a vacuum.

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has repeatedly encouraged confrontation, interference, and resistance against federal immigration enforcement. When leaders normalize obstruction and inflame tensions, people start believing they are entitled to intervene. The blood of this man, of Rene Good, and of anyone else who has died because people felt emboldened to impede, harass, or insert themselves into ICE operations is on his handsbecause he encouraged this behavior. He asked citizens to do this. Today, that rhetoric had consequences, and another life was lost.

This was not random.
This was not unprovoked.
And this was not ICE "hunting innocent people."

This was a dangerous situation created by bad decisions, fueled by reckless political encouragement, and those decisions had consequences.

The handgun that intensive care nurse Alex Pretti was carrying when he was shot dead in Minneapolis has a history of unintentionally discharging, it has emerged.

https://mol.im/a/15496345

"And now let's talk about accountability at the leadership level, because this did not happen in a vacuum."

Why didn't these ICE shootings take place under Obama, Trump I or Biden? It is because Trump has supercharged ICE into an intimidating brutal force that he wants everyone to be terrorized by. This is government controlled theater. They better ratchet back this approach and go back to doing their jobs in a more low profile manner. The fact Pretti increased his odds of being murdered by ICE officers by his own conduct in no way excuses the volatile situation the Administration has created.

GOP officials going with "you can't bring a gun to a protest" sound like Democrats who say "I'm for free speech just not hate speech."

The First Amendment protects hate speech, The First and Second Amendments protect your right to bring a gun to a protest. https://t.co/mYrpnkcRPp

— Robby Soave (@robbysoave) January 25, 2026

I don’t think you can say he was “resisting arrest” bc there is no effort to actually arrest him or say “you are under arrest.” The agent shoved a woman to the ground, he helped her out and was sprayed, thrown to the ground and beaten. The natural human response is to try to… https://t.co/s7woWNUbKs

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) January 25, 2026

bearister said:

---

The handgun that intensive care nurse Alex Pretti was carrying when he was shot dead in Minneapolis has a history of unintentionally discharging, it has emerged.

https://mol.im/a/15496345

---

From the linked article:

A roughly 30-second scuffle ensued and someone at the scene shouted 'gun, gun,' bystander video showed. It's unclear whether the remark is a reference to Pretti's alleged weapon or a federal agent's gun.

Videos do not clearly show who fired the first shot, but one gun expert has said he believes Pretti's Sig Sauer P320 went off, prompting the agent to open fire.

'I believe it's highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti's holster while exiting the scene,' Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, wrote on X.

First item - LEO are allowed to trust the judgment of other LEO and shoot when someone yells gun; they do not need to see the gun themselves.

Second item - interesting observation by the person in the article. This Sig-Sauer may be the only gun in history that does/did accidentally fire like this. He is speculating but that is a premise that is easy enough to check...number of rounds remaining in each gun, number and type of rounds discharged into Pretti.

bearister said:

---

---

Was there a letter when he killed an American citizen with a drone strike?

sycasey said:

---

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Anarchistbear said:

---

Aunburdened said:

---

sycasey said:

---

🚨BREAKING: ANOTHER PERSON SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS

pic.twitter.com/fO4OfgJ7Wb

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) January 24, 2026

---

The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

---

I agree that it makes no sense to confront people with guns who a) are not local and b) ready to use them. It's more like US soldiers in Iraq than police who are under the auspices of government

---

These incidents captured on video are quickly turning public opinion and forcing the politicians to react.

---

Are they? I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen any one switch sides over this. It just emboldens both sides and whatever their original belief was is now stronger, imo.

---

I know you don't trust polls except the ones that are good for Trump, but . . . yes, it looks like public opinion is turning sharply against ICE.

Polling on Abolishing ICE

Sep 2024 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +47
Jul 2025 (YouGov): 🔴 Oppose +18
Jan 2026 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +6
Jan 2026 (YouGov): 🟢 Support +3

— VoteHub (@VoteHub) January 24, 2026

---

Do you approve or disapprove of the Trump administration's program to find and deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally?

APPROVE -
All Voters: 62%
Men: 65%
Women: 59%
18-39: 57%
40-54: 66%
65+: 59%
White: 60%
Black: 59%
Hispanic: 63%
Other: 74%
DEM: 42%
IND: 64%
GOP: 80% https://t.co/H6LuhCOstY

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 24, 2026

bearister said:

---

> AI Overview

---

tanks, from all the fish.

bearister said:

---

"And now let's talk about accountability at the leadership level, because this did not happen in a vacuum."

Why didn't these ICE shootings take place under Obama, Trump I or Biden? It is because Trump has supercharged ICE into an intimidating brutal force that he wants everyone to be terrorized. This is government controlled theater. They better ratchet back this approach and go back to doing their jobs in a more low profile manner. The fact Pretti increased his odds of being murdered by ICE officers by his own conduct in no way excuses the volatile situation the Administration has created.

---

Obama - No sanctuary states other than Oregon and no D would dare go against Obama, even though he deported more people than maybe anyone up to Trump2.

Trump 1 - D's satiated their TDS via Russia-gate and impeachment; the admin didn't need to focus on illegal immigrant deportations because Obama did a good job.

Biden - The Great Importer...he created the current scope of the immigrant problem (from AI: "Based on data through the end of 2024, the administration of Joe Biden has overseen the highest levels of net immigration in recent U.S. history.")

Trump 2 - reacting to Biden's immigration disaster; D party overtaken by the Socialists who have - amazingly - escalated the level of TDS; virtually all the deep blue states are sanctuaries.

Re your last sentence, if people were peacefully protesting on the sidewalks as has been the practice forever until now the total number of civilian protesters killed by ICE would be 0. Fact.

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Anarchistbear said:

---

Aunburdened said:

---

sycasey said:

---

🚨BREAKING: ANOTHER PERSON SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS

pic.twitter.com/fO4OfgJ7Wb

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) January 24, 2026

---

The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

---

I agree that it makes no sense to confront people with guns who a) are not local and b) ready to use them. It's more like US soldiers in Iraq than police who are under the auspices of government

---

These incidents captured on video are quickly turning public opinion and forcing the politicians to react.

---

Are they? I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen any one switch sides over this. It just emboldens both sides and whatever their original belief was is now stronger, imo.

---

I know you don't trust polls except the ones that are good for Trump, but . . . yes, it looks like public opinion is turning sharply against ICE.

Polling on Abolishing ICE

Sep 2024 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +47
Jul 2025 (YouGov): 🔴 Oppose +18
Jan 2026 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +6
Jan 2026 (YouGov): 🟢 Support +3

— VoteHub (@VoteHub) January 24, 2026

---

Do you approve or disapprove of the Trump administration's program to find and deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally?

APPROVE -
All Voters: 62%
Men: 65%
Women: 59%
18-39: 57%
40-54: 66%
65+: 59%
White: 60%
Black: 59%
Hispanic: 63%
Other: 74%
DEM: 42%
IND: 64%
GOP: 80% https://t.co/H6LuhCOstY

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 24, 2026

---

Trump's approval trend on handling immigration by @Rasmussen_Poll

August 2025
🟢 Approve: 53% (+9)
🟤 Disapprove: 44%

January 2026
🟢 Approve: 39% (-20)
🟤 Disapprove: 59%

Net 29-point negative swing https://t.co/TjEHkDmQns https://t.co/2qCKAzSlmO pic.twitter.com/3yKKP7Ze6k

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 25, 2026

sycasey said:

---

I know you don't trust polls except the ones that are good for Trump, but . . . yes, it looks like public opinion is turning sharply against ICE.

Polling on Abolishing ICE

Sep 2024 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +47
Jul 2025 (YouGov): 🔴 Oppose +18
Jan 2026 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +6
Jan 2026 (YouGov): 🟢 Support +3

— VoteHub (@VoteHub) January 24, 2026

---

Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil.

America has never been in a better place!
It has never been more UNITED.

America is in the Golden Age!

Just ask our President.

He is the great UNITER!

sycasey said:

---

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Anarchistbear said:

---

Aunburdened said:

---

sycasey said:

---

🚨BREAKING: ANOTHER PERSON SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS

pic.twitter.com/fO4OfgJ7Wb

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) January 24, 2026

---

The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

---

I agree that it makes no sense to confront people with guns who a) are not local and b) ready to use them. It's more like US soldiers in Iraq than police who are under the auspices of government

---

These incidents captured on video are quickly turning public opinion and forcing the politicians to react.

---

Are they? I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't seen any one switch sides over this. It just emboldens both sides and whatever their original belief was is now stronger, imo.

---

I know you don't trust polls except the ones that are good for Trump, but . . . yes, it looks like public opinion is turning sharply against ICE.

Polling on Abolishing ICE

Sep 2024 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +47
Jul 2025 (YouGov): 🔴 Oppose +18
Jan 2026 (Civiqs): 🔴 Oppose +6
Jan 2026 (YouGov): 🟢 Support +3

— VoteHub (@VoteHub) January 24, 2026

---

Do you approve or disapprove of the Trump administration's program to find and deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally?

APPROVE -
All Voters: 62%
Men: 65%
Women: 59%
18-39: 57%
40-54: 66%
65+: 59%
White: 60%
Black: 59%
Hispanic: 63%
Other: 74%
DEM: 42%
IND: 64%
GOP: 80% https://t.co/H6LuhCOstY

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 24, 2026

---

Trump's approval trend on handling immigration by @Rasmussen_Poll

August 2025
🟢 Approve: 53% (+9)
🟤 Disapprove: 44%

January 2026
🟢 Approve: 39% (-20)
🟤 Disapprove: 59%

Net 29-point negative swing https://t.co/TjEHkDmQns https://t.co/2qCKAzSlmO pic.twitter.com/3yKKP7Ze6k

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 25, 2026

---

Weird that those both come from the same source and say two very different things. Would love to see it broken down by demographic as the poll I posted was. How many of each demographic did they survey?

DiabloWags said:

---

> He is the great UNITER!

---

T?? naw, no tanks.

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

He's part of the problem, not the solution.

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

Every argument defending this shooting eventually comes down to, "well he shouldn't have been protesting his government."

Years and years of "blood of patriots" larping from the right and this is what's half an inch beneath it.

— Leighton 明 Woodhouse (@lwoodhouse) January 25, 2026

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

Logic and reason. Goode and Pretti were in the street. They got shot. In all other instances protesters standing on the sidewalk - including the ones on the sidewalk during the Goode and Pretti incidents - went unharmed.

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

bearister said:

---

No new funding.

Kristi Noem must RESIGN.

Greg Bovino must be FIRED.

Suspend the LAWLESS mass deportation raids nationwide NOW — ICE is no longer just deporting dangerous criminals.

Send the border patrol back to the border.

End the militarization of ICE + the sick racial…

— Gavin Newsom (@GavinNewsom) January 25, 2026

---

People here have been telling me that this guy's state was cooperating more with ICE than Minnesota and that's why there are so many agents there. Gimme a break.

---

Red states and cities are cooperating more, not Gavy

---

It’s actually very simple. The president is trying to apprehend dangerous criminals and all the dangerous criminals live in states that didn’t vote for the president and also they didn’t do anything and also they’re your neighbors and also you’re next if you keep asking questions

— Samantha Ruddy (@samlymatters) January 24, 2026

I literally said they should do their peaceful protesting from the sidewalk. I never said they should not protest.

sycasey said:

---

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

Every argument defending this shooting eventually comes down to, "well he shouldn't have been protesting his government."

Years and years of "blood of patriots" larping from the right and this is what's half an inch beneath it.

— Leighton 明 Woodhouse (@lwoodhouse) January 25, 2026

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.

---

When an ICE agent draws their gun and shoots someone standing on the sidewalk with their protest sign with no resisting and no violence, I'll be the first to admonish them.

tequila4kapp said:

---

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

Logic and reason. Goode and Pretti were in the street. They got shot. In all other instances protesters standing on the sidewalk - including the ones on the sidewalk during the Goode and Pretti incidents - went unharmed.

---

So you're claiming that ICE had the perimeter secure?
What evidence can you provide that would indicate this was true?

For starters, the street that Goode was on was in no way "secured".
The rush of ICE vehicles into that intersection tells you as much.

harebear said:

---

BearlySane88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

bearister said:

---

No new funding.

Kristi Noem must RESIGN.

Greg Bovino must be FIRED.

Suspend the LAWLESS mass deportation raids nationwide NOW — ICE is no longer just deporting dangerous criminals.

Send the border patrol back to the border.

End the militarization of ICE + the sick racial…

— Gavin Newsom (@GavinNewsom) January 25, 2026

---

People here have been telling me that this guy's state was cooperating more with ICE than Minnesota and that's why there are so many agents there. Gimme a break.

---

Red states and cities are cooperating more, not Gavy

---

It’s actually very simple. The president is trying to apprehend dangerous criminals and all the dangerous criminals live in states that didn’t vote for the president and also they didn’t do anything and also they’re your neighbors and also you’re next if you keep asking questions

— Samantha Ruddy (@samlymatters) January 24, 2026

---

Hope this helps make the narrative a lot clearer for you. It's good to have the facts.

"Why isn't ICE operating in red states."

They are. Here is the same data, sorted by number of ICE arrests. pic.twitter.com/tJELwEKxlS

— Adam Johnston (@adamkjohnston) January 17, 2026

sycasey said:

---

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.

---

For the record, I absolutely support the police for the Capital shooting too. She was an idiot for ignoring orders to go through a barricaded door toward a LEO with a gun. Just like here, she didn't "deserve" to die and I'm sorry she died but her own very stupid choices played a major role in her own death.

Blaming the victim for what happened is absolutely despicable. Sure, he made choices that put him in more jeopardy. Guess what? He shouldn't have been shot in the back, especially since he was already disarmed. Anyone arguing this isn't making points at all and you're ultimately probably doing harm to the political movement that they support.

Yesterday will likely serve as a considerable turning point in terms of public opinion for those that have access to all the video out there, which is just about everyone. This one can't be explained away like the Good incident.

Many reasonable people who support ICE's goals will be appalled by this. Most people are reasonable.

Anyone who watches the video of this and doesn't come away in a state where at the very least don't try to defend it has been radicalized. Don't be an apologist. Be better.

tequila4kapp said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.

---

For the record, I absolutely support the police for the Capital shooting too. She was an idiot for ignoring orders to go through a barricaded door toward a LEO with a gun. Just like here, she didn't "deserve" to die and I'm sorry she died but her own very stupid choices played a major role in her own death.

---

As do I and we have both said this here before but they don't seem to want to hear it

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

DiabloWags said:

---

tequila4kapp said:

---

ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.

---

They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.

---

Logic and reason. Goode and Pretti were in the street. They got shot. In all other instances protesters standing on the sidewalk - including the ones on the sidewalk during the Goode and Pretti incidents - went unharmed.

---

So you're claiming that ICE had the perimeter secure?
What evidence can you provide that would indicate this was truwe?

For starters, the street that Goode was on was in no way "secured".
The rush of ICE vehicles into that intersection tells you as much.

---

My opinion is that's a red herring. The crowds are overwhelming ICE; the act of violating a perimeter creates the lack of perimeter. Everyone knows it's a zone of ICE operation, otherwise the protesters wouldn't be there. Pretti rushed an ICE officer. A perimeter is not required to make that wrong and dangerous. Goode was parked perpendicular in the road reportedly for 3 minutes, obviously to block / impede ICE (otherwise why didn't she move? Nobody stay in the same spot in the road - much less perpendicular - for 3 whole minutes)

sycasey said:

---

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

---

Yup.

6 ICE officers with one citizen on the ground that is TOTALLY RESTRAINED..
No mob. No rocks being thrown. No molotov cocktails being tossed.
No evidence of him being a criminal or engaging in a crime.

And people here continue to post and imply that the cops firing 10 bullets into him was legit.
Because he wasn't standing on the sidewalk?

Oh please.

SBGold said:

---

Wow, the lack of care for the loss of life is totally reprehensible. This is MAGA

---

Careful. You can get suspended for such comments.

SBGold said:

---

Wow, the lack of care for the loss of life is totally reprehensible. This is MAGA

---

Every tragedy is a win for the far left's cause.

tequila4kapp said:

---

bearister said:

---

The handgun that intensive care nurse Alex Pretti was carrying when he was shot dead in Minneapolis has a history of unintentionally discharging, it has emerged.

https://mol.im/a/15496345

---

From the linked article:

A roughly 30-second scuffle ensued and someone at the scene shouted 'gun, gun,' bystander video showed. It's unclear whether the remark is a reference to Pretti's alleged weapon or a federal agent's gun.

Videos do not clearly show who fired the first shot, but one gun expert has said he believes Pretti's Sig Sauer P320 went off, prompting the agent to open fire.

'I believe it's highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti's holster while exiting the scene,' Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, wrote on X.

First item - LEO are allowed to trust the judgment of other LEO and shoot when someone yells gun; they do not need to see the gun themselves.

Second item - interesting observation by the person in the article. This Sig-Sauer may be the only gun in history that does/did accidentally fire like this. He is speculating but that is a premise that is easy enough to check...number of rounds remaining in each gun, number and type of rounds discharged into Pretti.

---

I suspected this to be a possibility as well. "Easy enough to check". …..this assumes that the evidence is preserved and an investigation is undertaken. Was it and is it?
You'd think it would be important so as to learn a thing or two how to handle these situations without bloodshed

DiabloWags said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

---

Yup.

6 ICE officers with one citizen on the ground that is TOTALLY RESTRAINED..
No mob. No rocks being thrown. No molotov cocktails being tossed.
No evidence of him being a criminal or engaging in a crime.

And people here continue to post and imply that the cops firing 10 bullets into him was legit.

---

He absolutely was not "totally restrained." They did not have his hands behind his back and he was not cuffed. And the reason is that he was resisting.

As a lay gun owner with the prior CCP, I was taught to shoot until the threat is stopped and no more. I understand police training may be different, that they may be instructed to shoot more times (maybe I'm wrong about this). I am uncomfortable with that training so no, I do not like 10 shots.

cal83dls79 said:

---

I suspected this to be a possibility as well. "Easy enough to check". …..this assumes that the evidence is preserved and an investigation is undertaken. Was it and is it?
You'd think it would be important so as to learn a thing or two how to handle these situations without bloodshed

---

The Minneapolis Police Chief has already stated that the "scene" has been contaminated.

Interestingly enough, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension was refused access to investigate the scene by the Feds and the FBI isn't involved. The latter is highly bizarre for a case like this.