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southseasbear said:

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If we have to add schools, I'm favorably inclined toward UNLV, Nevada, Colorado State (rumored to be in line to receive the next invite to the prestigious AAU), and/or SD State.

Schools I don't wnat to see include Fresno State, Boise State, and BYU.

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I'm along these lines. SDSU and UNLV for the markets. Nevada because they're not Utah State.

No former JCs, or universities run by JC.

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ducktilldeath said:

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southseasbear said:

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If we have to add schools, I'm favorably inclined toward UNLV, Nevada, Colorado State (rumored to be in line to receive the next invite to the prestigious AAU), and/or SD State.

Schools I don't wnat to see include Fresno State, Boise State, and BYU.

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I'm along these lines. SDSU and UNLV for the markets. Nevada because they're not Utah State.

No former JCs, or universities run by JC.

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ducky23 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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southseasbear said:

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If we have to add schools, I'm favorably inclined toward UNLV, Nevada, Colorado State (rumored to be in line to receive the next invite to the prestigious AAU), and/or SD State.

Schools I don't wnat to see include Fresno State, Boise State, and BYU.

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I'm along these lines. SDSU and UNLV for the markets. Nevada because they're not Utah State.

No former JCs, or universities run by JC.

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You tell'em duckfan. We can't have any incoming schools tarnish Oregon's academic reputation

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wifeisafurd said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Here's an article by a young Daily Cal reporter that despite his youth totally understands Cal athletics:

https://www.dailycal.org/2022/10/19/cal-football-has-given-up-should-fans-give-up-too?fbclid=IwAR0vsNflZOykHl8RRmfTe55mDCvR9tx4aBbWQ8HayYmoqe9bfJ4NrCwueO8

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Disturbing how smart the students are these days.

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TomBear said:

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Hey southseas......why not religious schools? BYU has a solid and good program. It fits nicely because of the rivalry with Utah. Their academics can't be any worse than UNLV or SDSU. And they're plenty competitive. So, what's the problem?

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TomBear said:

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Hey southseas......why not religious schools? BYU has a solid and good program. It fits nicely because of the rivalry with Utah. Their academics can't be any worse than UNLV or SDSU. And they're plenty competitive. So, what's the problem?

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TomBear said:

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Don't discount that national footprint for BYU.

Years ago, I had to work a temporary job in Logan and BYU had their own TV station broadcasting Cougar games. They still have a national TV network (can be streamed) which, at least at one time, carried Cougar sports.

Right now, I think that part of the commissioner's concerns is just keeping the conference together if he can. BYU/Utah and Colorado State/Colorado might help keep both mountain schools from bailing into another opportunity.

I think the addition of SDSU, UNLV, Nevada, Boise......all would degrade the previously strong academic characteristic of the conference. Also, without checking, I'll guess that BYU and Colorado State have larger stadiums than the other options (minus UNLV who couldn't even fill their tiny stadium before moving to the plastic fantastic Raider stadium). Boise has a good size stadium (despite that stupid blue turf) and they do fill it pretty well. But their academics are certainly not overly impressive.

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TomBear said:

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Neither are some of the other schools cited. At some point, if the conference wishes to make a priority of adding schools, they're going to have to make some hard choices.

BTW, again, I'm not sure, but I don't think OSU, nor Arizona State are AAU universities. I'm not at all sure Utah is either. All I know is not all current members of the conference are AAU.

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calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The networks are going to be determining who we do and don't add.

Right now the Pac12 comissioner is giving a list of schools and what they do with the contract and determining how hard he goes after each one.

If we are worth 500 million as is, and 525 million with hawaii, we aren't adding hawaii. If we are worth 600 million with hawaii we are probably adding them.

Traveling logistics and cultural fit be damned...this is all about the money.

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The benefit of Hawaii is that games there would give us an exclusive late, late slot after the 7:00 Pacific (10:00 PM EST) slot, when bars are still open on Saturdays on the East Coast and all over the US. And help us expand our brand to Asia and Australia with live games during prime time. Plus keep Hawaii talent from going to the SEC and keep them in the PAC-12.

But yes, TV contracts wil determine if that is valuable.

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MrGPAC said:

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The networks are going to be determining who we do and don't add.

Right now the Pac12 comissioner is giving a list of schools and what they do with the contract and determining how hard he goes after each one.

If we are worth 500 million as is, and 525 million with hawaii, we aren't adding hawaii. If we are worth 600 million with hawaii we are probably adding them.

Traveling logistics and cultural fit be damned...this is all about the money.

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Oski87 said:

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calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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The networks are going to be determining who we do and don't add.

Right now the Pac12 comissioner is giving a list of schools and what they do with the contract and determining how hard he goes after each one.

If we are worth 500 million as is, and 525 million with hawaii, we aren't adding hawaii. If we are worth 600 million with hawaii we are probably adding them.

Traveling logistics and cultural fit be damned...this is all about the money.

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The benefit of Hawaii is that games there would give us an exclusive late, late slot after the 7:00 Pacific (10:00 PM EST) slot, when bars are still open on Saturdays on the East Coast and all over the US. And help us expand our brand to Asia and Australia with live games during prime time. Plus keep Hawaii talent from going to the SEC and keep them in the PAC-12.

But yes, TV contracts wil determine if that is valuable.

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I love the Hawaii idea, but I think the easier solution is for Cal to have an annual game with Hawaii. Thanksgiving weekend. I would go every other year there and they could come here. Plus we would get a 13th game, which would give us the ability to get 7 home games each year. And help us recruit to the islands - with a home thanksgiving dinner for the 65 Poly kids on our team...

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News: UC Regents expected to decide UCLA's fate at upcoming meeting.https://t.co/fz9xAXkemQ

— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) November 2, 2022

wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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calumnus said:

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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Does the penalty payment go to Cal?

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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6956bear said:

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calumnus said:

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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Does the penalty payment go to Cal?

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I would think so. How they decide to distribute the payment is unknown. If it goes to the Regents Cal reaps no benefit other than it is being recognized that UCLA leaving has a negative impact on Cal. But who knows how this group will respond.

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Sebastabear said:

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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Two weeks ago I would have agreed with this. Now I'm not so sure. More and more signs popping up they may actually derail this move, which I would have thought was a zero percent chance initially. I have been told that this is the meeting where this is all going down. We'll know in two weeks.

But there is absolutely no chance UCLA leaves, Cal stays and there is NOT a payment to Cal. That one definitely isn't happening - or at least would require a total 180 from every person I've spoken with who is in a position to influence this.

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Sebastabear said:

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6956bear said:

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sosheezy said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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So a show of hands: is UCLA forced to stay, either by Regents ruling or being forced to face a material withdrawal payment to Cal or UC, of does the Regents say adios?

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I think we say adios, and they have to pay a minimal exit payment for 5 years (like < $5M/yr)

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I am leaning this direction as well. I expect some sort of penalty, but not to force UCLA to stay in the P12.

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Two weeks ago I would have agreed with this. Now I'm not so sure. More and more signs popping up they may actually derail this move, which I would have thought was a zero percent chance initially. I have been told that this is the meeting where this is all going down. We'll know in two weeks.

But there is absolutely no chance UCLA leaves, Cal stays and there is NOT a payment to Cal. That one definitely isn't happening - or at least would require a total 180 from every person I've spoken with who is in a position to influence this.

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