my source that the pac 12 is staying together is arguably asu's largest donor that speaks directly with prez michael crow...colorado wuz never gonna bail & talk about utsa, north texas, colorado state is just karen brodkin makin up ****
Yup. Case in point: NFL fans don't hate the Raiders any more, because they're harmless.calumnus said:
"California" and "Berkeley" are names that people around the country either love or hate. However, we need to be good for people to latch onto us, and we need to be good to be hated.
In an interview with @TheAthletic, Arizona President Robert Robbins said he expects the Pac-12 to have a TV deal "within the next couple weeks" and that it will be "better" than the Big 12's.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) March 16, 2023
"Until then, it’s all speculation and people fear-mongering."https://t.co/IdqGzOZ4Ku
Seems like the information coming from insiders for the past 6 months is that "a deal will be reached in a couple of weeks".philbert said:In an interview with @TheAthletic, Arizona President Robert Robbins said he expects the Pac-12 to have a TV deal "within the next couple weeks" and that it will be "better" than the Big 12's.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) March 16, 2023
"Until then, it’s all speculation and people fear-mongering."https://t.co/IdqGzOZ4Ku
Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
UC Berkeley Bear football has never been more popular. Nearly every game is a sellout, the game day experience is unrivaled the sporting world, the Michelin recognized concessions are renowned, the numerous interminable breaks in the action are filled with unintelligible hypnotic inducing sing-songing which encourages conversation with brother and sister fans, always beginning with, "What the $@ did she say?", not to mention the innumerable and memorable wins on the field of competition.BearSD said:Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
Now you've outed yourself as a Big 12 homer who is just trolling here. GFY.
BearSD said:Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
Now you've outed yourself as a Big 12 homer who is just trolling here. GFY.
Why are there so few contributors on this board compared to ten years ago? Its because of personal cracks like this. Let's stop pretending we're in the 8th grade and make reasonable arguments, eh?BearSD said:Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
Now you've outed yourself as a Big 12 homer who is just trolling here. GFY.
He is somebody who likely knows what the B1G is thinking in regards to adding programs. He is enormously qualified for the Oregon job regardless of athletic conference affiliation. But he no doubt has a firm understanding of which programs if any the B1G would like to add other than Notre Dame.bluehenbear said:University of Oregon has hired John Karl Scholz as its new president. He’s an economist, professor and provost at University of Wisconsin-Madison.
— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) March 13, 2023
He starts July 1.
Newest member of the Pac-12 CEO Group.
Scholz has three daughters, one of whom is a PhD student at… Oregon.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Oregon wanting to move the B1G.
6956bear said:He is somebody who likely knows what the B1G is thinking in regards to adding programs. He is enormously qualified for the Oregon job regardless of athletic conference affiliation. But he no doubt has a firm understanding of which programs if any the B1G would like to add other than Notre Dame.bluehenbear said:University of Oregon has hired John Karl Scholz as its new president. He’s an economist, professor and provost at University of Wisconsin-Madison.
— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) March 13, 2023
He starts July 1.
Newest member of the Pac-12 CEO Group.
Scholz has three daughters, one of whom is a PhD student at… Oregon.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Oregon wanting to move the B1G.
Maybe it's because actual Cal fans are tired of threads full of comments by trolls pretending to be Cal fans, and some folks want to play along instead of calling out the trolls for who they are.HearstMining said:Why are there so few contributors on this board compared to ten years ago? Its because of personal cracks like this. Let's stop pretending we're in the 8th grade and make reasonable arguments, eh?BearSD said:Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
Now you've outed yourself as a Big 12 homer who is just trolling here. GFY.
BearSD said:Maybe it's because actual Cal fans are tired of threads full of comments by trolls pretending to be Cal fans, and some folks want to play along instead of calling out the trolls for who they are.HearstMining said:Why are there so few contributors on this board compared to ten years ago? Its because of personal cracks like this. Let's stop pretending we're in the 8th grade and make reasonable arguments, eh?BearSD said:Posting Big 12 propaganda garbage from a station in a Big 12 town (Provo).Hawaii Haas said:
Cal football is 44% less popular in 2022 compared to 2005. However, Cal leads the Pac12 and Big 12 with number of alumni on LinkedIn.
https://espn960sports.com/byu/why-the-pac10-is-struggling-to-make-a-media-deal-part-2-how-strong-are-pac12-brands-fan-bases/
Now you've outed yourself as a Big 12 homer who is just trolling here. GFY.
6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
Dunno why this is so surprising.tequila4kapp said:6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
I wasn't commenting on SMU as much as I was commenting on the glacial pace. Consider:Big Dog said:Dunno why this is so surprising.tequila4kapp said:6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
The only reason to consider SMU is TV/cable money. OTOH, the academic Uni Presidents (particularly at Cal and Stanford) are still concerned about prestige (AAU) and about the same reason that the UC Regents pushed back on UCLA leaving, i.e., significantly increased travel.
GK can lay out the numbers, but unless those numbers are really compelling, i.e., multiple millions more per school, SMU don't get that Presidents' invite.
Kliavkoff understimated significantly the P12 value for media rights. He has a tough job knowing that the B1G is potentially looking at adding schools and could add them as soon as 2024. Even with a reduced share that is a big enough number to get teams to move. So he needs a number that keeps everybody. That number is different depending on the school.tequila4kapp said:I wasn't commenting on SMU as much as I was commenting on the glacial pace. Consider:Big Dog said:Dunno why this is so surprising.tequila4kapp said:6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
The only reason to consider SMU is TV/cable money. OTOH, the academic Uni Presidents (particularly at Cal and Stanford) are still concerned about prestige (AAU) and about the same reason that the UC Regents pushed back on UCLA leaving, i.e., significantly increased travel.
GK can lay out the numbers, but unless those numbers are really compelling, i.e., multiple millions more per school, SMU don't get that Presidents' invite.
July 2021 - Kliavkoff starts as new P12 commissioner
July 2021 - TX / OU announce departure for SEC
June 2022 - B12 reaches agreement for Cinci, Houston, UCF to join
June 2022 - Yormack new B12 commissioner
October 2022 - B12 new TV deal announced
February 2023 - Early departure agreement with TX / OU announced
February 2023 - P12 Presidents approve "next steps" with SMU / SDSU expansion process
Notice, the 1st and last entries are P12. All the other stuff is stuff the B12 got done in between.
There was a point in time when neither conference had a next tv deal and both conferences had members on their way out. Remember when each was talking about poaching from the other? The B12 acted quickly to add members and get their tv deal done. The 4 corner schools are now an instability to the P12 precisely because it has moved slowly. The B12 does not have the same instabilities because they moved quickly to shore things up.6956bear said:Kliavkoff understimated significantly the P12 value for media rights. He has a tough job knowing that the B1G is potentially looking at adding schools and could add them as soon as 2024. Even with a reduced share that is a big enough number to get teams to move. So he needs a number that keeps everybody. That number is different depending on the school.tequila4kapp said:I wasn't commenting on SMU as much as I was commenting on the glacial pace. Consider:Big Dog said:Dunno why this is so surprising.tequila4kapp said:6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
The only reason to consider SMU is TV/cable money. OTOH, the academic Uni Presidents (particularly at Cal and Stanford) are still concerned about prestige (AAU) and about the same reason that the UC Regents pushed back on UCLA leaving, i.e., significantly increased travel.
GK can lay out the numbers, but unless those numbers are really compelling, i.e., multiple millions more per school, SMU don't get that Presidents' invite.
July 2021 - Kliavkoff starts as new P12 commissioner
July 2021 - TX / OU announce departure for SEC
June 2022 - B12 reaches agreement for Cinci, Houston, UCF to join
June 2022 - Yormack new B12 commissioner
October 2022 - B12 new TV deal announced
February 2023 - Early departure agreement with TX / OU announced
February 2023 - P12 Presidents approve "next steps" with SMU / SDSU expansion process
Notice, the 1st and last entries are P12. All the other stuff is stuff the B12 got done in between.
UO and UW may need around $40M per to stay and sign a GOR. Given the market that likely means unequal revenues in the P12. The payout could increase with SMU and SDSU but they likely need to agree to a lesser share to start. Maybe much less. Could the P12 presidents squeeze OSU and WSU and force lesser shares since on paper they have no options. What about Cal.
How long does the 4 corner schools wait on a deal? Does UW and UO have "handshake" deals with the B1G? Does Stanford or Cal? How much streaming is acceptable? Lots of questions. I do not like SDSU and SMU as considerations. I get why they are in play though.
The P12 presidents and chancelors are supposedly meeting today. This week for sure. A deadline of sorts has been rumored. That day is April 15. A significant date moving forward is April 17. That marks the first day of the new B1G commisioner. Although reports suggest that hire will not complete til perhaps May. This game of chicken continues.
what you term 'instability" is actually a negotiating benefit for the 4-corner schools. If the p10/12 tries to whittle down their prorata share to give Oregon and Washington more, they bolt. They'd love to remain in the Pac due to to CA recruiting, but if the B12 is gonna offer millions more, Buh-Bye.tequila4kapp said:There was a point in time when neither conference had a next tv deal and both conferences had members on their way out. Remember when each was talking about poaching from the other? The B12 acted quickly to add members and get their tv deal done. The 4 corner schools are now an instability to the P12 precisely because it has moved slowly. The B12 does not have the same instabilities because they moved quickly to shore things up.6956bear said:Kliavkoff understimated significantly the P12 value for media rights. He has a tough job knowing that the B1G is potentially looking at adding schools and could add them as soon as 2024. Even with a reduced share that is a big enough number to get teams to move. So he needs a number that keeps everybody. That number is different depending on the school.tequila4kapp said:I wasn't commenting on SMU as much as I was commenting on the glacial pace. Consider:Big Dog said:Dunno why this is so surprising.tequila4kapp said:6 weeks ago. That's when GK was reported to be involved with SMU. This process has taken forever.BigDaddy said:Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) February 8, 2023
The only reason to consider SMU is TV/cable money. OTOH, the academic Uni Presidents (particularly at Cal and Stanford) are still concerned about prestige (AAU) and about the same reason that the UC Regents pushed back on UCLA leaving, i.e., significantly increased travel.
GK can lay out the numbers, but unless those numbers are really compelling, i.e., multiple millions more per school, SMU don't get that Presidents' invite.
July 2021 - Kliavkoff starts as new P12 commissioner
July 2021 - TX / OU announce departure for SEC
June 2022 - B12 reaches agreement for Cinci, Houston, UCF to join
June 2022 - Yormack new B12 commissioner
October 2022 - B12 new TV deal announced
February 2023 - Early departure agreement with TX / OU announced
February 2023 - P12 Presidents approve "next steps" with SMU / SDSU expansion process
Notice, the 1st and last entries are P12. All the other stuff is stuff the B12 got done in between.
UO and UW may need around $40M per to stay and sign a GOR. Given the market that likely means unequal revenues in the P12. The payout could increase with SMU and SDSU but they likely need to agree to a lesser share to start. Maybe much less. Could the P12 presidents squeeze OSU and WSU and force lesser shares since on paper they have no options. What about Cal.
How long does the 4 corner schools wait on a deal? Does UW and UO have "handshake" deals with the B1G? Does Stanford or Cal? How much streaming is acceptable? Lots of questions. I do not like SDSU and SMU as considerations. I get why they are in play though.
The P12 presidents and chancelors are supposedly meeting today. This week for sure. A deadline of sorts has been rumored. That day is April 15. A significant date moving forward is April 17. That marks the first day of the new B1G commisioner. Although reports suggest that hire will not complete til perhaps May. This game of chicken continues.
Bobodeluxe said:
Kliavkoffunderstimated(overestimated) significantly the P12 value for media rights.
That's not it.tequila4kapp said:The 4 corner schools are now an instability to the P12 precisely because it has moved slowly. The B12 does not have the same instabilities because they moved quickly to shore things up.6956bear said:tequila4kapp said:Big Dog said:tequila4kapp said:
This is so true. No one knows anything. The ADs know nothing. The only person who truly knows what is going on is Klavikoff, and possibly some of the presidents. All of whom have said nothing until this week or last week.socaliganbear said:
I have never seen a thread with more people so confidently proclaiming things they have no actual knowledge of. Even for sport forums, this thread is truly a work of art.
Great job everyone.