The economic news seems mixed / conflicting and I find it confusing.

DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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The economic news seems mixed / conflicting and I find it confusing.

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What is so confusing?

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The last several jobs reports have been bad. Really bad. But other things like GDP, inflation, stock market (which reflects earnings/ptofitability), consumer confidence, unemployment rate have been more favorable (good to stable???). The government is not infusing money into the economy like during COVID. Jobs numbers should correlate to the other stuff but it isn't.

American aluminum facilities seeing HUGE increases in production following Trump's tariffs on foreign aluminum:

"This smelter was working at just a fraction of its capacity a few weeks ago. Now it's almost at 100%."

Trump is bringing back MADE IN AMERICA pic.twitter.com/5KQjIO7O8O

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) September 5, 2025

movielover said:

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Oil at $70 barrel - time to fill up the strategic oil reserve?

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Once again, you prove just how out of touch you are and how you have no idea what you're talking about.

WTI crude closed today at $61.97

It's nowhere near $70.
Hasn't been at $70 in five weeks.

Duh.

tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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The economic news seems mixed / conflicting and I find it confusing.

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What is so confusing?

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The last several jobs reports have been bad. Really bad. But other things like GDP, inflation, stock market (which reflects earnings/ptofitability), consumer confidence, unemployment rate have been more favorable (good to stable???). The government is not infusing money into the economy like during COVID. Jobs numbers should correlate to the other stuff but it isn't.

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A.) Like Dajo said, the stock market is not the economy and it currently has the highest Price/Sales ratio ever.
B.) Inflation expectations are moving higher, not lower given the PCI and Conference Board expectations data.
C.) The unemployment rate has been ticking up.
D.) Consumer Confidence is poor.

I don't know where you get your economic news from but you might want to read the WSJ for better info.

This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

This explains a lot.

Chief_Engineer: Built by Americans. Captured by Foreigners.

Built by Americans. Captured by Foreigners. Post #1 How foreign interests infiltrate, capture, and gut American companies from the inside. This is no longer a theory. It has happened. And we have the blueprint. In 2023, a U.S. attorney exposed how a company he worked with was quietly taken over after hiring a foreign CEO. The new CEO, backed by a private equity firm, removed the original American founders. Then he filled every C-suite position with executives from his home country. No diversity. No objectivity. Just a complete executive sweep. Within months, 15% of the American workforce was laid off. But the jobs didn't disappear. They were filled by imported workers on visas. The firm was transformed from the top down, one relationship at a time. ...

https://t.co/sLxw6sKPqo

— Chief_Engineer (@ChiefNiftyswell) June 28, 2025

sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

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I thought the argument was that the illegals were TAKING all the jobs that real Americans could have had?

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Yes, REAL AMERICANS want to work in the Hotel industry cleaning toilets, bathrooms, and making beds.

They want to work in a meatpacking plant, cutting up carcasses until they can no longer grip the knife.

They also want to work in the Central Valley picking crops in the heat while inhaling pesticide ridden dirt.

But the illegal immigrants TOOK THOSE JOBS AWAY.

Meanwhile, the Unemployment Rate for BLACK Americans rose to 7.5%

Thats up from 7.2% in July.
And 6.0% in May.

And the jobless rate for people ages 20 - 24 rose to 9.2% in August from 8% a year ago.

These numbers are horrible.
Why hasnt Chump fired anyone at BLS?

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

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I thought the argument was that the illegals were TAKING all the jobs that real Americans could have had?

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Yes, REAL AMERICANS want to work in the Hotel industry cleaning toilets, bathrooms, and making beds.

They want to work in a meatpacking plant, cutting up carcasses until they can no longer grip the knife.

They also want to work in the Central Valley picking crops in the heat while inhaling pesticide ridden dirt.

But the illegal immigrants TOOK THOSE JOBS AWAY.

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FAIR: American Workers are Benefiting from Secure Borders and Immigration Enforcement

"Last month, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) carried out a worksite enforcement action at the Glenn Valley Foods meatpacking plant in Omaha, Nebraska. Seventy-six illegal workers were detained by ICE.

"But what was more remarkable is what happened next. Two days after ICE removed dozens of illegal alien workers, "Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications," reported NBC News. In other words, contrary to repeated assertions that Americans are unwilling to do jobs in certain sectors of the labor market, if offered decent wages and working conditions there are plenty who will do those jobs.

"New data released last week by the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) confirm that what happened at the meatpacking plant in Omaha was not an anomaly. DOL's June jobs report indicates that during that one-month period, the number of employed U.S.-born workers increased by 830,000. That one-month jump in job gains for U.S.-born workers brings the total to more than 2 million since January, when President Trump took office."

https://www.fairus.org/news/executive/american-workers-are-benefiting-secure-borders-and-immigration-enforcement

And yet the Unemployment Rate for Black Americans is at 7 5%

Up from 6.0% in May.

DiabloWags said:

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And yet the Unemployment Rate for Black Americans is at 7 5%

Up from 6.0% in May.

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care. Lose-lose-lose.

movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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And yet the Unemployment Rate for Black Americans is at 7 5%

Up from 6.0% in May.

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care. Lose-lose-lose.

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Since May.
Under Donald Trump.

Got it.

For those who ponder big picture data and economics.

The largest job gains in August were in Retail Sales.
The largest job losses were in govt.

The economy is fine. The Bureau of Labor and Statistics during Trump is functioning like the CDC during Biden.

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) September 6, 2025

movielovrr said:

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care.Lose-lose-lose.

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The ACA only mandates employers (who have 50 or more employees) to pay health care benefits if employees work over 30 hours per week.

It's highly unlikely that Hotel housekeepers are working full-time.

As a result, your claim is bogus.

DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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And yet the Unemployment Rate for Black Americans is at 7 5%

Up from 6.0% in May.

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care. Lose-lose-lose.

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Since May.
Under Donald Trump.

Got it.

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No. The UniParty allowed illegal immigration for decades, which played a major role in driving Real Wages down, especially for Blue Collar workers. This is when African American women were displaced from the hotel industry.

Then Democrats facilitated 10 - 21 million new illegal immigrants within four years under the Autopen Administration. Dr. Victor Davis Hanson says four flights a night of illegal immigrants flew into Fresno Airport. The Autopen Administration also had an app to facilitate illegal entry. Gates in Trump's border Wall were welded open, and new Wall construction stopped. NGOs, the Catholic Church, and others facilitated the invasion.

DiabloWags said:

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movielovrr said:

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care.Lose-lose-lose.

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The ACA only mandates employers (who have 50 or more employees) to pay health care benefits if employees work over 30 hours per week.

It's highly unlikely that Hotel housekeepers are working full-time.

As a result, your claim is bogus.

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I see here your ignorance and racism coming through. Black and White hotel maids worked full time and more, and lifting mattresses 8-10 hours a day considered back breaking for some.

These dynamics are a little different now w Indians dominating the industry. Some have family members work. Bay Area hotel workers I spoke w recently pcommuted in from Stockton and worked 6-7 days a week.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

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I thought the argument was that the illegals were TAKING all the jobs that real Americans could have had?

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Yes, REAL AMERICANS want to work in the Hotel industry cleaning toilets, bathrooms, and making beds.

They want to work in a meatpacking plant, cutting up carcasses until they can no longer grip the knife.

They also want to work in the Central Valley picking crops in the heat while inhaling pesticide ridden dirt.

But the illegal immigrants TOOK THOSE JOBS AWAY.

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What about the 475 South Koreans who were arrested in Georgia? They entered country illegally, were on visas that don't allow them to work and had overstayed visas. Their country is bringing a plane to come get them and return them home. Are they victims? Are you going to try to convince us Hyundai won't be able to fill those jobs in Georgia? The claim that illegals are only taking the jobs you listed is flat out wrong and disingenuous.

I believe a lot of those guys were involved in jobs relating to highly specialized construction, engineering oversight, and supply chain coordination.

Good luck to anyone that buys a car made in that plant, if it ever opens.

"Their country is bringing a plane to come get them and return them home."

I guess the government of South Korea didn't want its people ending up in Uganda.

"I believe" - source?

College-educated Americans can't oversee 'supply chain coordination'?

I get this a few times a year.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1282679640174352?mibextid=9drbnH&s=yWDuG2&fs=e

movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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movielovrr said:

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Illegal immigrants took away jobs from African American women who worked as hotel maids. It allowed employers to drop wages and stop providing health care.Lose-lose-lose.

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The ACA only mandates employers (who have 50 or more employees) to pay health care benefits if employees work over 30 hours per week.

It's highly unlikely that Hotel housekeepers are working full-time.

As a result, your claim is bogus.

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I see here your ignorance and racism coming through. Black and White hotel maids worked full time and more, and lifting mattresses 8-10 hours a day considered back breaking for some.

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Cool story.

Because with virtually an unlimited supply of housekeeping labor, a Hotel chain is going to employ workers that work over 30 hours per week so that they have to pay benefits.

tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

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I thought the argument was that the illegals were TAKING all the jobs that real Americans could have had?

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Yes, REAL AMERICANS want to work in the Hotel industry cleaning toilets, bathrooms, and making beds.

They want to work in a meatpacking plant, cutting up carcasses until they can no longer grip the knife.

They also want to work in the Central Valley picking crops in the heat while inhaling pesticide ridden dirt.

But the illegal immigrants TOOK THOSE JOBS AWAY.

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The claim that illegals are only taking the jobs you listed is flat out wrong and disingenuous.

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Your reading comprehension is terrible.
I never said that illegals are ONLY taking the jobs above.

Did you really go to CAL?

"CONTEXT" for Mr. Context:

- household survey revealed 288,000 new jobs last month
- independent 3rd-party firm estimated 150,000 new jobs
- new revision coming
- 'we need better data' - Hassert
- inflation remains low under President Trump
- industrial production way up
- Federal Reserve estimates Q3 GDP 3.0%

DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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This is classic. MAGA in a nutshell.

Watters: Jobs are down because the illegals are gone. When 2 million illegals leave the country, you’re not going to have as many people working pic.twitter.com/nS9Jucr8kh

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

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I thought the argument was that the illegals were TAKING all the jobs that real Americans could have had?

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Yes, REAL AMERICANS want to work in the Hotel industry cleaning toilets, bathrooms, and making beds.

They want to work in a meatpacking plant, cutting up carcasses until they can no longer grip the knife.

They also want to work in the Central Valley picking crops in the heat while inhaling pesticide ridden dirt.

But the illegal immigrants TOOK THOSE JOBS AWAY.

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The claim that illegals are only taking the jobs you listed is flat out wrong and disingenuous.

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Your reading comprehension is terrible.
I never said that illegals are ONLY taking the jobs above.

Did you really go to CAL?

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Have you ever mentioned another kind of job? Nope, just meat processors, produce pickers, landscapers and maids - the stereotypical ones that make it safe to argue no American would ever do the work.