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dajo9 said:

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Charlie Kirk would tell underage girls how they should live their lives. That makes him a groomer as well as all the other descriptions of him.

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Not a groomer, a mentor. That's beyond a stretch.

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If you presume to tell my underage daughter how she should live her life without my agreement then you are a groomer.

movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Charlie Kirk would tell underage girls how they should live their lives. That makes him a groomer as well as all the other descriptions of him.

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Not a groomer, a mentor. That's beyond a stretch.

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Is that what Epstein called it?
Being a mentor?

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lol what? Do you know what a groomer is? Please explain your logic here because I can't seem to make that connection fit

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These same hacks ignore the 250K to one million young GIRLS being groomed for over 25 years in Britain by largely Pakistani Muslim men to be r*ped, tortured, and pimped for months or years!!

Then they come back w "he doesn't like Muslims"! I despise grown-@ss men who GROOM andR*PE CHILDREN while the world does nothing!!!

Just say you're obsessed with me already… it's flattering

You two are cute together

DiabloWags said:

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Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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First, they censor you, then they imprison you, then they assassinate you.

You're right that Kirk was different because he didn't spend any time in prison.

movielover said:

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DiabloWags seems to think so.

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The mods pay him by the hour to count other people's posts?

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DiabloWags said:

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Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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First, they censor you, then they imprison you, then they assassinate you.

You're right that Kirk was different because he didn't spend any time in prison.

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He also didn't have orgies behind his wife's back after preaching in church. And his wife wasn't assassinating opponents or hooking up w younger men. He appears to have been a devoted husband and father.

He built a substantial following with 13 years solid work while being an upright Christian, citizen and leader.

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DiabloWags said:

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Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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First, they censor you, then they imprison you, then they assassinate you.

You're right that Kirk was different because he didn't spend any time in prison.

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He also didn't have orgies behind his wife's back after preaching in church. And his wife wasn't assassinating opponents or hooking up w younger men. He appears to have been a devoted husband and father.

He built a substantial following with 13 years solid work while being an upright Christian, citizen and leader.

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Yes, being a homophobe, mysogynist, and racist.
That's your role model.

A young Archie Bunker.
Hope you dont have kids.

Like many, you play The Card when you can't meaningfully contribute to a conversation.

When you were pestering me about the complexion of my friends, when I responded with some of my high school experiences in South Central (Compton, Lynwood, Carson) you went silent. Typical. Someone w any integrity would apologize for their defamation, and cease the baseless name calling.

Yes, CK noted disparate achievement and crime statistics, that isn't racist. Jason Whitlock and many others do the same.

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I hate to be ghoulish but if it turns out the killer was a right wing nut trying to spark a civil war i am going to laigh my ass off at the back pedling

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And what if the killer was another angry, disturbed, trans?

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Like many, you play The Card when you can't meaningfully contribute to a conversation.

When you were pestering me about the complexion of my friends, when I responded with some of my high school experiences in South Central (Compton, Lynwood, Carson) you went silent. Typical. Someone w any integrity would apologize for their defamation, and cease the baseless name calling.

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You have a terribly selective memory.

You were making fun of me growing up in the Diablo Valley and mocking how many black friends I grew up with.

And now youre playing the victim?
Typical snowflake mentality.

Well he looks very much like a he so far

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movielover said:

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Like many, you play The Card when you can't meaningfully contribute to a conversation.

When you were pestering me about the complexion of my friends, when I responded with some of my high school experiences in South Central (Compton, Lynwood, Carson) you went silent. Typical. Someone w any integrity would apologize for their defamation, and cease the baseless name calling.

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You have a terribly selective memory.

You were making fun of me growing up in the Diablo Valley and mocking how many black friends I grew up with.

And now youre playing the victim?
Typical snowflake mentality.

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I congratulated you on meeting a Black classmate in your 20s on the Bear track team.

BTW, my first time at Kips was 1971?

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To the extent you believe there is more political violence today (which is very hard to statistically demonstrate), and to the extent you believe polls, there is now a new reality of many more Americans willing to undertake, support, or excuse political violence, and you need look no further than posts in this thread. The two main political parties and media in their move away from the middle have triggered a variety of social events and perspectives that purposefully ignite or rationalize violent partisan political behavior. And as aways is the case here, another discussion dominated byTrump.

There was another school shooting yesterday that was lost in the news regarding the Kirk shooting. As is always the case here, there seems to be a discussion about gun reform around these events, which remains just that, discussion. Especially on a national level. It is pretty clear than local bans in selling guns or ammunition due very little other than maybe drop the local suicide rates, and may not be constitutional. Moreover it is generally constitutional to transport firearms or ammunition across state or city lines (you must comply with each jurisdiction's law regarding possession such as storage regulations), which renders local laws impotent. I'm not an expert in the area, but it seems that any laws that would effectively impact assassins or school shooters basically runs afoul of how SCOTUS currently interprets the constitution, not to mention there is the Federal Firearms Owners' Protection Act, which prevents any local action. This doesn't even begin to look at why the US is such a violent society (okay, Bearister may want to stop toxic male behavior). That goes way, way beyond just gun culture. But it is easy to see how this is happening looking at this thread.

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So....I would really recommend (if only because it is such a smartly designed natural experiment test). Jens Ludwig's Unforgiving Places that looks at Crime data from Chicago. It lays out a compelling empirical case for how much violence (not yesterday, not school shootings) is a function of Fast Thinking. Essentially 10 minute windows of people making bad choices in a time of high stress. The neat way they frame this is that these interactions happen at a near similar rate across the two neighborhoods but in one there are conditions that help deescalate more of them and in another those conditions are lacking.

Framed this way - and if the goal is really to decrease murder rates and reduce gun violence - gun "control" as framed may not be the right way. But trigger locks, liability for accidental shootings (thus incentiving gun lockers), eliminating open carry laws, etc. really WOULD be effective because the idea is to reduce chances that arguments and the presence of type 1 thinking escalate.

This is a nice short popular piece that might peak your interest.

https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/reducing-gun-violence-requires-thinking-differently

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Assassinations, political violence and mass school shooting generally are premeditated, as you appear to point out, which suggests in fact gun laws are not going to work to much on an individual who is committed to shooting someone.

The article you posted indicates that most gun violence is in fact not premeditated, but due to escalation where there is no de-escalation, and someone has a gun. In other words not economic situations or other reasons often given for gun crime. It is committed primarily by young people who make stupid quick decisions in difficult situations. I'm not sure how you measure this. I'm sure most folks convicted of a shooting crime want to tell themselves and others, that it was just a bad moment where things got out of hand, not that I'm that type of person. But assume you take the leap that 80% of so of gun violence is quick irrational and overreaction decisions primarily by teens and young adults. There is some science behind this: prefrontal cortex, which governs impulse control and judgment, may not fully mature until age 25 or 26. This suggests that a higher minimum age could reduce impulsive, dangerous behavior. Moreover, young adults, particularly those aged 18 to 25, have a highest rate of both perpetrating and being victims of firearm violence. So then the remedy to this is what again? Eliminating carry laws, so that the shooters just have to conceal their weapons? I suppose it is not that simple, a showing of guns can is some cases result in shooting responses, but in most situations if some one is so angry they want to shoot you, is the conceal-ability of their weapon really going to stop them?

Isn't the obvious action something like raising the age limit for gun use to say 27? And somehow enforcing this age ban in various different manners I guess. We have civlii liability laws in some states already for parents and parents or others that gave guns to kids (or at least didn't secure their guns) are getting charged with felonies. Make schools require classes in deescalation? Does any of this make sense? Minimum age laws can be limited by how easily young people can get firearms from informal or black-market sources or for that matter the US constitution maybe is a barrier. There are after all an estimated 400 million firearms in the US. How hard would it be for a 25 years old to get a gun really? The analysis of that most crime is in essence the young and dumb acting to quickly may be correct, but I'm just not seeing that effective of a remedy to the problem being presented.

Note to lawyers, my use of the term "premeditation" is not the legal term that is simply a conscious decision, often involving some time to reflect and deliberate before the act occurred that may in legal terms be seconds. It is meant in the context of this article something like a plan to commit murder, not as the article points out a 10 minute escalation of events that leads to shootings.

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— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) September 11, 2025

TX representative Tony Gonzalez on CNN is a joker. Irresponsible. Saying incorrect things. Blaming the left.

Everyone on the desk with him is against him and he seems like he's going to pull out his concealed carry and shoot them.

Kerosene.

I flip over to Fox and Hannity is blaming "them" and "they".

A bigger JOKE !!!

Well said

It is NOT a "both sides" issue.

No assassination attempts on Biden.
No assassination attempts on Kamala.
No assassination attempts on AOC.
No assassination attempts on any other prominent voice on the political left.

No violence from pro-Israeli crowds.
No arrests on the…

— 𝐀η𝐓 (@AntSpeaks) September 11, 2025

I keep thinking briefly how smart bears can be so deluded…but I know the answer is decades of psyop from msm

You mean political violence isn't bipartisan?

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE.
Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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I think they said he had security, but that all a small detail can do is prevent a close-up attack (like what happened to Salmon Rushdie). No way he could afford a Secret Service type detail (and we saw in the case of the Trump shooting, even that is no guarantee).

Anyway, I think we've seen the end of these outdoor rallies by anybody who's the least bit controversial.

Speaking of, have they caught the perp yet? I keep checking every hour or two...

I figure, in this day and age, with the forensics and the cameras everywhere, no way the guy can escape for long. I mean, could he? (Watch, they catch him right as I press "Post".)

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I kinda think it'd be funny if he escapes to the other side of the world. DB Cooper.

I also think that'd be awesome for Trump and FoxNews. So long as he remains an unknown, they can make him be whomever they want him to be.

Before too long, they will have it that he will be the long lost ******* child of Barack Obama and Kamala Harris - she gave him up for adoption.

Maddow melted their brains

dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Charlie Kirk would tell underage girls how they should live their lives. That makes him a groomer as well as all the other descriptions of him.

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Not a groomer, a mentor. That's beyond a stretch.

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If you presume to tell my underage daughter how she should live her life without my agreement then you are a groomer.

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This does not sound like something an educated person would say. Giving advice in public is grooming? And you deny the hundreds of thousands of girls in Europe that have been groomed

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE.
Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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I think they said he had security, but that all a small detail can do is prevent a close-up attack (like what happened to Salmon Rushdie). No way he could afford a Secret Service type detail (and we saw in the case of the Trump shooting, even that is no guarantee).

Anyway, I think we've seen the end of these outdoor rallies by anybody who's the least bit controversial.

Speaking of, have they caught the perp yet? I keep checking every hour or two...

I figure, in this day and age, with the forensics and the cameras everywhere, no way the guy can escape for long. I mean, could he? (Watch, they catch him right as I press "Post".)

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I kinda think it'd be funny if he escapes to the other side of the world. DB Cooper.

I also think that'd be awesome for Trump and FoxNews. So long as he remains an unknown, they can make him be whomever they want him to be.

Before too long, they will have it that he will be the long lost ******* child of Barack Obama and Kamala Harris - she gave him up for adoption.

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You need a career change. You could be a very good fiction writer…your ideas are unique

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His idea isn't hate as there have been over 60 million abortions since Roe. His statement is correct if you consider a baby a life.

60 million > Hitler: 12 million

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This just goes to show how out of touch with reality you are.

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I have a family member in PA who for 25 years has been on fire over "murderers" in the Democrat party because they believe in abortions.

So, I now see we can put ML in that category. Radical Christian right.

There is no reasoning with these people. They are guided by a mindset which tells them they are right, with god on their side, and others are wrong, influenced and corrupted by Satin.

The Believers feel special, with a life purpose that drives everything. It's a form of brainwashing. I know the community. You feel like if you allow anything else in, that is doubt, the work of the Devil. Mental discipline is noble, but it can be wrong minded. Nazis were the same way. It's not easy to kill other humans, but when you feel you are on a holy crusade, it becomes easier.

The point of declaring words violence was always to be able to use violence against words.

— Antonio García Martínez (agm.eth) (@antoniogm) September 12, 2025

This has been the playbook.

DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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First, they censor you, then they imprison you, then they assassinate you.

You're right that Kirk was different because he didn't spend any time in prison.

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He also didn't have orgies behind his wife's back after preaching in church. And his wife wasn't assassinating opponents or hooking up w younger men. He appears to have been a devoted husband and father.

He built a substantial following with 13 years solid work while being an upright Christian, citizen and leader.

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Yes, being a homophobe, mysogynist, and racist.
That's your role model.

A young Archie Bunker.
Hope you dont have kids.

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I would say you are correct about him being a homophobe due to his deep Christian faith which I don't agree with.

He is the least racist person you've ever seen. The fact you believe that is embarrassing for you.


He is not misogynist either. He is anti grooming and anti polygamy

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.

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Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.

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I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.

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I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags seems to think so.

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The mods pay him by the hour to count other people's posts?

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DW is a mod? So you are the free speech hater who shut down my thread of liberals celebrating Kirk's assassination. It would have been bigger than shockies monster class thread.

You are the same as msm who doesn't show you ANYTHING that goes against their evil narratives.

If you liberals don't see it then I guess it didn't happen right?
Can't win the argument with posts you shut it.
Can't beat Kirk in a debate so you execute him

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GoOskie said:

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Here's some relevant quotes from Kirk:


"I think empathy is a new age term that does a lot of damage" - Kirk

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You didn't even include the whole quote. Charlie went on to say he prefers sympathy because you can't really ever feel someone else's pain.

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The radical left never show the whole quote or clip

I'm guessing that the killer does not view his actions in a left- right divide as on view in this thread. If for no other reason than these views are very minority. Most people are more nuanced

DiabloWags said:

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socaltownie said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup

This is a bigot, a homophone, and a racist that compared abortion to the Holocaust.
In fact, he said that abortion was worse.

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To be fair I am not sure I would call him that as opposed to him being a troll and a provocateur. That isn't necessarily horrible but it isn't close to being some saint interested in honest debate, dialogue and struggling to find a better way.

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What I find most interesting is that he was naive (or dumb) enough to do these speaking engagements without any security, during a terribly polarizing time in our nation where a Minnesota state legilsator and her husband and dog were shot dead at their home as recent as June.

It tells me that Kirk walked around in an "untouchable" bubble.
Well, it looks like his entitlement got him killed dead at 200 yards by the 2nd Amendment that he defended tooth and nail.

And he got shot dead by a STRAIGHT, WHITE, COLLEGE MALE.
Not a gay, bi, transgender, LGBQ, black or Mexican male.

Ironic, I must say.

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Uh, we have no idea that the shooter was straight. How can you say that?

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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There was much more political violence in the 1960's and 70's. Two Kennedys, MLK, Wallace. Plus domestic bombing by political groups. In the 1970's 50-60 bombings per year peaking with 460 in 1970. Targets were US House, State Dept, Pentagon and many more.

Kirk's thing is trivial and a social media murder. . Twitter rhetoric is viscous and inflammatory. It's also divorced from reality. If you're putting out all this venom, you should be aware in a nation long on guns and mental derangement, that there is a reasonable possibility someone is going to shoot you. Think about it more

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The main difference between political violence then and now is that previous violence was largely met with disapproval nationwide while today's violence feels justified to a certain group of people, and therefore, celebrated.

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That's definitely NOT my impression!
I don't know what you're reading/hearing/talking to that gives you that impression.

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lol you are the perfect example. You've said many times you would be so happy if Trump were killed.

You are the most delusional person here and think everybody who disagrees with the decades of psyop are the delusional ones.

A huge percentage of all liberals are celebrating this assassination.


Even if you are not celebrating you denying this fact points out how deluded you are.


The left is the party of murder

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Pretty sure his point on the Holocaust is that more people have died from abortions, which is a fact

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If sperm meets egg and begins to multiply into a blastocyst, and then the morning after pill is taken to end a pregnancy process, is that a "person"????

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Did Kirk deserve a minute of silence?

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What had he done for the European Parliament to warrant a moment of silence specifically for him? He was a guy who did a podcast and debated college students. The vast majority of his political activity was in the US. You can't have moments of silence for everyone who dies.

I'm not happy he died and his murder is terrible, but no one is required to treat him like a fallen hero just because he had a tragic death either.

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I don't disagree about Euro moment of silence. And you are under-stating his impact. Turning Point has 1k employees (2025) and at least 85M in revenue (2023); he started TP when he was 18. He is the head of a conservative and Christian movement, especially among young people. In 2024 NBC reported his podcast was downloaded 500k-750k times per day.

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Liberals are the same everywhere