Charlie Kirk

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HawaiiBear33
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The level of delusion that shooter was not himself radical left is almost unbelievable. This is how liberal stats are made. Complete fairy tale.

Yes his family was conservative it appears. He was not.

You like to look at cherry picked written words taken out of context to vilify him.

Have you watched any of his debates? He exuded love and respect while decimating those he debated with fact and logic. If you've never seen him debate then you should.


Open debate is what this country needed. So the left killed him.


Raise your hand if you deny that most democratic politicians Have extensive videos pushing hate. Just because you choose not to look doesn't mean it is not happening. Watch any msm news from the last decade. Filled with hateful emotion.
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sycasey Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors. said:

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Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

this post is not aging well.

Yeah, I followed up with something that may contradict that. Or maybe not.

But yes, no one can be certain of his motives at this point. It may well be that he was just generally online radicalized without a coherent ideology, like the Trump shooter.

I wonder who radicalized him?

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sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

BearGoggles said:

sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:

DiabloWags said:

School shootings happen almost every month in this country.

Where is the moment of silence for the parents of these kids who die because we have a love affair with guns in this country?

Charlie Kirk's death is being "promoted" by the Administration because he had a following that voted for Trump.
Let's be honest about this.

Kirk wasn't Martin Luther King.
Or Nelson Mandela.







Pointing that out is what got the MSNBC guy fired.


I heard it was more about Matthew Dowd criticizing Kirk for his hate speech.

Dowd said Kirk has been "one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."

"I think that's the environment we're in, that the people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment we're in," he added.


I just meant, you pointed out that Kirk was not some great guy like Mandela or King, and the MSNBC guy gave reason for his getting shot - not a great guy but angering with his political debating.

And apparently it's too soon to let anyone know what we all can figure out.

I mean, Kirk has pisses me off when I've heard him speak.
But then again, I probably piss others off just the same.

Big C, Okaydo…. They never piss anyone off, right?


Thank you for providing the exact quote!!! Thumbs up to that. Better than my generalized summary

This discussion is inane. What difference does it make what Kirk said or what views he held? Even if it was "hate speech", racist, or misogynistic (all subjective opinions), it doesn't justify his killing. NOTHING he said has any bearing on the violence he was subjected to. The entire discussion implies he had it coming or that somehow we all should not be outraged that this happened (or less outraged) because Kirk was a "bad guy." NOTHING he said justifies his assassination or a lesser reaction to it.

And I would point out that many political figures on the left say racist, hateful, bigoted, and/or other outrageous things that are well outside the Overton window. Rashida Tlaib and Ilan Omar come to mind for saying some objectively antisemitic things. Biden said some crazy things. None of that has any bearing on whether they should be assassinated (which of course they should not).

If god forbid, one of them - or another popular dem figure like Obama - was assassinated, would you be discussing the merits of their statements and political positions? Would the liberals on this board think that had any relevance to the crime? I highly doubt it.

Who are you arguing with? No one here thinks the killing was justified.

I'm arguing with everyone who wants to discuss Kirk's views in the context of his assassination, as many have done in this thread. It is the equivalent of discussing what a rape victim was wearing. Both irrelevant and disgusting.

Latest example is here.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/128982/replies/2542836

Well, given what we're learning about the killer, it seems like he probably shot Charlie Kirk for not being right-wing ENOUGH. So it might be time for everyone to update their priors.







Also, Matthew Dowd looks like he was absolutely correct about the cause of this incident and should probably be reinstated by MSNBC.

this post is not aging well.

Yeah, I followed up with something that may contradict that. Or maybe not.

But yes, no one can be certain of his motives at this point. It may well be that he was just generally online radicalized without a coherent ideology, like the Trump shooter.

And now the seemingly contradictory piece has been retracted. Interesting!

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HawaiiBear33
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Polys love Kirk.

If you don't then you are an anti poly racist…and if JKS transfers it's your fault



Large dose of sarcasm mixed in
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HawaiiBear33
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This is for DW

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Gavin Newsom got a lot of heat for having this conservation with Charlie.
HawaiiBear33
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Not all gay men hate Kirk.

HawaiiBear33
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Too bad liberals refuse to look at videos that confirm everything they refuse to believe



HawaiiBear33
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Forecast of Kirk being killed

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DiabloWags said:

wifeisafurd said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:


"College was enough to radicalize his son."

Did college radicalize Bearinsiders too?

Narrative seems to be changing. Dad who customized counters and home cabinets is now considered part of law enforcement. From the Dajo school of spinning. Conservative parents owe apologies to the deep left for letting their child become part of the deep left. BBC already reporting ANTIFA leanings, hmm, How do they know this? . Suggest everyone wait until the facts come out, rather than providing BS commentary.


Charlie Kirk Suspect's Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA

Yup.
This is definitely a liberal family and a leftie kid.
Probably trans too.




According to public records, Robinson's parents are both registered Republicans. His mother, Amber Robinson, 44, is a licensed social worker. His father, Matt Robinson, runs a business installing kitchen countertops, cabinets, and stone surfaces in their home city of Washington, Utah. Both of them have held hunting licenses. A Facebook post made by Amber Robinson describes one of Tyler's brothers as a "gun toting, cowboy loving, brilliant kid."





Despite the fact that his entire family were allegedly registered republicans, the shooter was not. Hmm.

The list of liberal who come from "republican families" is long and includes Hillary Clinton who was registered as a republican for a brief time. Your poor excuse for logic ignores the fact that many children have different politics than their parents or siblings. The grandma you quote specifically said she didn't know the shooter's politics.

The reporting is mixed, but many, if not most, legitimate sources seems to suggest the shooter was left leaning. That might prove to be false. But even if it is, what you posted above is not logic based and is pure propaganda or perhaps wish casting.
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HawaiiBear33 said:

Not all gay men hate Kirk.

And not everyone on the right liked Kirk.

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Cal88 said:

movielover said:

Have San Francisco murders really plummeted, or are the numbers rigged?


SF population is down almost 10% from last decade, so the same number of crimes will show a similar percentage drop in crime rates.
fewer people to murder I suppose….but the facts say otherwise. The sf murder rate is rarely talked about especially relative to oakland (where I lived).

Sf stats:
2024: Approximately 35 homicides, or about 4 per 100,000 residents.
2018: 5.17 per 100,000 population.
2017: 6.35 per 100,000 population.

Of course some may not trust these facts
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concordtom
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Big C said:

concordtom said:

Big C said:

Kidding! ^


Oh, geez!

I know, Big C.
I know!

Gotcha, ct


Last night I was rethinking my crude remark.
I apologize.

Sometimes I get excited and use jocular language. Locker room talk.

Please be a good Christian and forgive.
concordtom
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Either you or some of your friends have been typing that the Left is way more violent than the Right.

I woke up thinking about that Minnesota case. Like, I'm sure nobody remembers much about that case - or who the assailant was. So I looked it up.

The man accused of killing Minnesota politicians in June 2025 is Vance Luther Boelter, a 57-year-old father of five from Minnesota.



The Attack:
In the early hours of June 14, 2025, he allegedly disguised himself as a police officer, even using a car made to look like a squad vehicle. He went to the homes of prominent state lawmakers, including House Speaker Melissa Hortman and Senator John Hoffman.
Hortman and her husband Mark were killed.
Hoffman and his wife were shot but survived.

What He Carried:
Authorities say he had a "hit list" in his car, which included the names of other political figures and abortion rights advocates suggesting his violence was politically motivated.

Background:
He was described in press reports as a disgruntled man with extreme anti-government and anti-abortion views. He had a history of making threats online, but he wasn't on law enforcement's immediate radar for violence until this attack.

Capture:
After the shootings, a massive manhunt took place. He was arrested later that day, without officers firing shots.

Religious and Political Leanings
He was described by friends and former associates as a devout evangelical Christian, attending an evangelical church.

Socially and politically conservative, with anti-abortion views.
He registered to vote as a Republican in Oklahoma in 2004, though in Minnesota his registration had "no party preference" for some time.
Education & Claims
He claims to have a bachelor's degree in international relations (from St. Cloud State University) and later earned a master's and doctorate in leadership/educational leadership from Cardinal Stritch University.
Career & Financial Situation
Boelter has held assorted jobs over the years. Some of the verifiable ones include working in food service (e.g. grocery/convenience management) and at least one 7-Eleven.
He co-founded or was involved in several ventures:
Praetorian Guard Security Services (Minnesota) his wife is listed as president/CEO, he as "director of security patrols." The security firm website presents armed/security-style services, vehicles, etc.
Revoformation Ministries, a nonprofit ministry founded with his wife.
Red Lion Group claimed business activity (development, agriculture, etc.) in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
But many of Boelter's claims (especially around security training, or client lists for his security work) are either unverified or found to be false or exaggerated by investigators.
Reports say he was struggling financially in recent years: after working overseas and in ministry or business ventures, he appears to have found it difficult to maintain stability.
Public & Civic Roles
Boelter served on Minnesota's Workforce Development Board under Governors of both parties (appointed first by Democrat Mark Dayton and then by Democrat Tim Walz).
That board deals with public/private sector collaboration around workforce issues.
Behavior & Pre-Attack Clues
He preached overseas, including in Africa (e.g. Democratic Republic of the Congo), including sermons where he expressed strong religious beliefs and made comments about abortion and moral decay.
He left "farewell"-type messages to friends before the attack, indicating he might be "gone for a while" and "may be dead shortly."
He apparently maintained lists of names of lawmakers, abortion rights advocates, healthcare officials, etc.



Uncertainties / Conflicts

Security Experience
Many of his assertions about having military or law-enforcement training or doing security work abroad are not verified. Some friends think parts of his story are exaggerated or "fantasy."

Extent of Motive
It's not yet fully clear how ideologically driven he was, or exactly what triggered the attack (though abortion politics is believed to be part of it, among other grievances).

Mental State / Radicalization
There are hints he may have become more extreme recently, but how or when that shift happened is under investigation. Some sermons and international travel are cited as potential factors. But direct evidence of long-term radicalization is still being pieced together.
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They fund violent Antifa and BLM riots across the country.

Concordtom - an anomaly.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

HawaiiBear33 said:

Not all gay men hate Kirk.

And not everyone on the right liked Kirk.




This was not intelligent, insightful or accurate in my opinion.

He said something like "they" tried to inspire a violent MAGA reaction.
Uh, no, "they" did nothing of the sort.

Inventions. Projection.
Typical.
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cal83dls79 said:

Cal88 said:

movielover said:

Have San Francisco murders really plummeted, or are the numbers rigged?


SF population is down almost 10% from last decade, so the same number of crimes will show a similar percentage drop in crime rates.
fewer people to murder I suppose….but the facts say otherwise. The sf murder rate is rarely talked about especially relative to oakland (where I lived).

Sf stats:
2024: Approximately 35 homicides, or about 4 per 100,000 residents.
2018: 5.17 per 100,000 population.
2017: 6.35 per 100,000 population.

Of course some may not trust these facts


The City's population drop isn't that substantial.

We need to find out The Skinny. I'm gonna ping a source I have.
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Isn't it ironic that we discuss Tyler Robinson's and Vance Boelter's online and gaming habits at a time that we rage back and forth, ONLINE, and in between we are shown ads of indiscriminate shootings of zombies?




Online culture is not healthy culture.

I hope you all get out and shake some hands today. Exercise. Give thanks for being alive.
Smile to your neighbor.
Help a brother.

Peace.

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He's a Republican or Democrat who wasn't registered and didn't vote

He was a god fearing Christian radicalized by one semester of Marxist- Leninist pre-engineering at Utah State

He's a Groyper or is it a radical antifa

Only one thing seems true. He was a gamer and most of his bullet casing scribbling was gamer references.

This board attempts to own or disown based on their own narrow ideologies- Republicans and Democrats- which are both minority, and unpopular

My own view is he's another kid of the Columbine ilk trying to maximize internet engagement and go down in apocalyptic glory. And so it goes
movielover
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This is The Left.

The suddenly soft spoken dummies hosting The View - screeching Karen's - were reportedly instructed by superiors to be conciliatory.

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Let's not forget the same day the product of a gun nut magat christian family was shooting Charlie Kirk, an antisemitic white supremacist was shooting up a school in Colorado.

The right has a serious pro-violence problem. The first step is acknowledging the problem and they are far from that. They desperately want a Reichstag moment to have war and inflict violence and suppression on the left. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
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This is the modern Left.

dajo9
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movielover said:




This post and my post just above should be read together
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PAC-10-BEAR said:




The left continually calling anyone who doesn't think like them nazi's is one of most divisive and harmful actions in our history
DiabloWags
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ACC Bear said:


I wonder who radicalized him?


Mossad.
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NVBear78 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:




The left continually calling anyone who doesn't think like them nazi's is one of most divisive and harmful actions in our history


One of the most divisive and harmful actions in American history was the right's attack on Congress attempting to overturn the Presidential election thus confirming fears they are a fascist movement through their own deeds and words
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NVBear78 said:


The left continually calling anyone who doesn't think like them nazi's is one of most divisive and harmful actions in our history


I guess you didnt hear about Trumpers who were looking to lynch our VP on Jan 6th?

That wasnt divisive?
That wasnt harmful?

How out of touch with reality are you?
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NVBear78 said:



The left continually calling anyone who doesn't think like them nazi's is one of most divisive and harmful actions in our history


"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections."
Donald J. Trump, November 2023 Veterans Day rally speech in New Hampshire.
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Trump certainly isn't divisive and he doesn't dehumanize people based on nonsense.

Any updates on dogs and cats being eaten?
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dajo9 said:

NVBear78 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:




The left continually calling anyone who doesn't think like them nazi's is one of most divisive and harmful actions in our history


One of the most divisive and harmful actions in American history was the right's attack on Congress attempting to overturn the Presidential election thus confirming fears they are a fascist movement through their own deeds and words


Yes, and/but, it wasn't the Right that did that. It was ALL DONALD TRUMP !!!

His inability to accept defeat did that.

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This is so predictable. But still tough to comprehend.

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Why do right-wingers cry conspiracy at every turn? What in the conservative ethos is the root of such paranoia?

 
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