movielover said:

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ICE employees Plat a vital role, USAID and USIP didn't.

And where are the incompetent or criminal Inspector Generals, Investigators, and forensic accountants who didn't watch our Federal funds at HUD, Medicare, SBA, etc, sent to the Somali and non-Somali Pirates?

Will this be the biggest uncovered government fraud in US history?

Not to be confused with the vaccine / FDA frauds/ autism explosion.

Deport 50,000 Somali's, rental and home prices will come down in Minnesota, Ohio, and elsewhere for Americans and legal residents.

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Well, now you're just putting words into BearlySane's mouth. He didn't say any of that. Also, none of that (well maybe the vaccine stuff, though I don't concede that it's true) was known before the 2024 election so it couldn't influence the vote.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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ICE employees Plat a vital role, USAID and USIP didn't.

And where are the incompetent or criminal Inspector Generals, Investigators, and forensic accountants who didn't watch our Federal funds at HUD, Medicare, SBA, etc, sent to the Somali and non-Somali Pirates?

Will this be the biggest uncovered government fraud in US history?

Not to be confused with the vaccine / FDA frauds/ autism explosion.

Deport 50,000 Somali's, rental and home prices will come down in Minnesota, Ohio, and elsewhere for Americans and legal residents.

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Well, now you're just putting words into BearlySane's mouth. He didn't say any of that. Also, none of that (well maybe the vaccine stuff, though I don't concede that it's true) was known before the 2024 election so it couldn't influence the vote.

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Bloated governmental departments and illegal aliens. That's what I am saying myself.

BREAKING: Hilton cancels the franchise license of a Minnesota hotel for refusing service to ICE agents.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) January 6, 2026

More FAFO.

ICE just killed.

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Daniel Suitor
@danielsuitor.com
2h
Someone who claims to have witnessed the incident says
- car was blocking ice
- they told them to move
- "something happened'
- ICE shot into the car as it was driving away
- passenger got out of the car covered away and said friend was dead

*DHS claiming decedent was trying to run over an agent. The videos will prove or disprove this. If she was trying to run over agents/officers then it was a good shoot. If not……

bearister said:

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ICE just killed.

Post by @danielsuitor.com Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227


Daniel Suitor
@danielsuitor.com
2h
Someone who claims to have witnessed the incident says
- car was blocking ice
- they told them to move
- "something happened'
- ICE shot into the car as it was driving away
- passenger got out of the car covered away and said friend was dead

*DHS claiming decedent was trying to run over an agent. The videos will prove or disprove this. If she was trying to run over agents/officers then it was a good shoot. If not……

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The something that happened was the ICE Officer near the front left fender got hit by the car after the ICE Officers were ordering the driver to stop and exit the vehicle. This was after the rioters stopped ICE, told them to get the F out of their neighborhood, and refused to move, all while shoving cameras in their faces.

This does not justify shooting the driver. The rioters' actions do not justify it as I don't see from this angle that the officer hit by the car was hit by any effort to seriously injure him. The ICE officer shooter should be let go and potentially face criminal charges.

I think you are probably right. It will be concerning if DHS and the Admistration deny wrongdoing if there was wrongdoing. Let the facts roll out.
Between Ring cams and smartphones, it is going to be hard for either side to spin this in an untruthful direction.

On social media videos are now showing
- An SUV stopped/parked perpendicular to traffic on a one way street, apparently for the purpose of blocking ICE
- An ICE agent (Agent 1) approaches the driver's side SUV, tells the driver "Get out of the ******* car" and reaches for / grabs the door handle. Driver does not comply, instead puts it in reverse and backs up. Agent 1 loses grip of door handle.
- Another ICE agent (Agent 2) is in front of driver. Weapon is not drawn.
- Driver drives forward toward Agent 2.
- Agent 2 draws weapon.
- Driver strikes Agent 2 with SUV. Agent 2 is driven to his right (driver's left) and fires. I "think" 3 shots were fired - 1 from the front through the windshield and 2 from the side through the passenger window.
- Driver's vehicle speeds ahead maybe 30-40 yards and crashes into a parked car.

See Matt Van Swol, robbystarbuck and Ryan - millenial family... videos on X

oski003 said:

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The something that happened was the ICE Officer near the front left fender got hit by the car after the ICE Officers were ordering the driver to stop and exit the vehicle. This was after the rioters stopped ICE, told them to get the F out of their neighborhood, and refused to move, all while shoving cameras in their faces.

This does not justify shooting the driver. The rioters' actions do not justify it as I don't see from this angle that the officer hit by the car was hit by any effort to seriously injure him. The ICE officer shooter should be let go and potentially face criminal charges.

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Actually, it likely does. She rammed into him with an SUV, a deadly weapon. We are generally allowed to use force equal to the force we face to stop a threat.

AND the entire episode was completely avoidable.

I watch a lot of Active Self Protection. Ex enforcement that analyze shootings, responsible gun ownership, how to avoid stupid situations both from an enforcement standpoint and getting involved in stuff. And I've never shot or owned a gun. My guess is that I could see them calling foul in the ICE guy. The threat was moving away and two more shots were fired. That said, with the adrenaline flowing and a truck headed your way …and maybe someone down the road. My guess is no charges

*many episodes of the show involve officers standing around vehicles and then the car becomes a weapon. Typically when this happen many shots are fired, perp is killed and it's invariably deemed justified

Here's a video of the incident (you can ignore the commentary if you like, I just found the longest video here):

Here’s the best angle of the ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Absolutely unnecessary. The victim is reported to be a legal observer and U.S. citizen. pic.twitter.com/mbq1bYwW9U

— Houtan Yaghmai, Esq. (@houtan_esq) January 7, 2026

None of the ICE guys were "rammed into," as far as I can tell. I can see how one of the agents (the one who fired) might have thought that was about to happen, but the van was turning to go around them. You can see the wheels are turned as it moves. I'm not sure if the misunderstanding of the officer would be a good defense for him here, especially when he fires extra shots as the car is well past him. Probably this kind of defense usually does work for cops in court (which is a separate question of whether or not it should).

Right, the question is whether or not the level of force was justified. I'm in the "Hell No" camp. Completely reckless and sad.

**but the backlash is going to be significant. This is a huge deal…today at least

I cannot get it to post but there's video which appears to me to show the car striking the LEO. It's a different angle - let's say 10 o'clock to the shooting officer - and further away.

Edit - I might finally have it

I slightly enhanced and slowed down the video of Minneapolis ICE shooting

You can VERY CLEARLY see the liberal activist ram her car into the ICE agent

You can actually see the federal officer get hit and forced back pic.twitter.com/g8lIdJ4HBH

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) January 7, 2026

Based on some of the analysis in this thread, it appears the Capitol Police missed an opportunity to claim several hundred "good shoots" on J 6.

Some of the videos out there are strikingly graphic ..even on local news the camera walks up on the scene, shots ring out, camera follows all the way to driver side where woman is sprawled out with blood….then ICE guys shut down the scene and got cameras away but there is tons of video

"Yes, you can sue U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or its officers for wrongful death, typically under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA) for negligence or constitutional violations, but it's complex due to sovereign immunity, requiring filing an administrative claim first, often involving proving failures in duty, like inadequate medical care or abuse, and suits can target individual officers via Bivens claims. "
AI Overview

British tabs story:
https://mol.im/a/15443231

The Government will be writing a check with lots of zeros on that shooting.

To me it's a justified shooting as the thug was in front of the car and the car started moving forward. I imagine the driver was focused on the thugs trying to access her car from the left and didnt see the officer in front, who engaged from the right, until too late.

This is all Trump's fault who has sent his goons in to disrupt the daily peaceful activities of the community. An operational disaster. Poorly thought out and poorly executed.

These discussions can get heated. I am starting by saying I do not mean anything in a personal or antagonistic way.

I am curious, do you agree that she parked her car perpendicular in the road to block ICE, ignored the command to get out of her car, tried to flee, and drove her vehicle at the 2nd ice officer?

A slowed down version of the liberal terrorlst trying to run over an ICE agent has been released..

Spread this everywhere!! pic.twitter.com/hjHJtLHtJ5

— American AF 🇺🇸 (@iAnonPatriot) January 7, 2026

Another angle

Whichever angle you look at it checks will be written.

For what exactly? The more angles I see, the shoot was justified.

It shouldn't have happened and this is a terrible look. But legally it looks justified

I haven't seen a shooting so justified since Ashley Babbitt was gunned down. What do they both have in common? Trump created a chaotic violent situation that cost American lives.

This is Trump's America

My argument is that she is trying to get away and posed no threat.
Others may see it differently and Trumps description of what happened is clearly in stark contrast to the video seen to date …like way over the top as usual.

tequila4kapp said:

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I cannot get it to post but there's video which appears to me to show the car striking the LEO. It's a different angle - let's say 10 o'clock to the shooting officer - and further away.

Edit - I might finally have it

I slightly enhanced and slowed down the video of Minneapolis ICE shooting

You can VERY CLEARLY see the liberal activist ram her car into the ICE agent

You can actually see the federal officer get hit and forced back pic.twitter.com/g8lIdJ4HBH

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) January 7, 2026

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I dunno man, this footage is so blurry I can't tell where the car stops and the officer begins. It's possible he got clipped as the car was trying to turn.

BearlySane88 said:

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A slowed down version of the liberal terrorlst trying to run over an ICE agent has been released..

Spread this everywhere!! pic.twitter.com/hjHJtLHtJ5

— American AF 🇺🇸 (@iAnonPatriot) January 7, 2026

Another angle

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This angle makes it look like the officer was not actually hit, or at best maybe a glancing blow from the rear-view mirror to his hand. Hardly in danger of being run over, though I can see why he might have thought so as the car started moving.

dajo9 said:

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To me it's a justified shooting as the thug was in front of the car and the car started moving forward. I imagine the driver was focused on the thugs trying to access her car from the left and didnt see the officer in front, who engaged from the right, until too late.

This is all Trump's fault who has sent his goons in to disrupt the daily peaceful activities of the community. An operational disaster. Poorly thought out and poorly executed.

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Basically I think that person should not have tried to drive the car away as the ICE guys were approaching, and also the guy who drew the gun was a little too quick to fire.

But yes, this is the inevitable consequence of what's going on with ICE. Ramping up heavy enforcement in American neighborhoods with a load of new, poorly-trained recruits.

BearlySane88 said:

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For what exactly? The more angles I see, the shoot was justified.

It shouldn't have happened and this is a terrible look. But legally it looks justified

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wrongful death suits for one, but I'm not an attorney. Maybe they can chime in.

tequila4kapp said:

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These discussions can get heated. I am starting by saying I do not mean anything in a personal or antagonistic way.

I am curious, do you agree that she parked her car perpendicular in the road to block ICE, ignored the command to get out of her car, tried to flee, and drove her vehicle at the 2nd ice officer?

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Only the last point in bold is relevant to the use of deadly force issue. Use of force experts can battle it out in front of juries, both civil and criminal (if he gets charged). If the officer gets charged criminally, he only has to get one juror like you to walk. I don't think the government even goes to trial in the wrongful death case. That case is more likely than not a winner for the heirs.

I would like to think that I would not have shot her if I was that officer based on the videos.

I was a boy and a young teenager growing up in Oakland in the 1960's. We were scared to death of the OPD, which at that time had heavily recruited officers from the South. They were big and mean as f@uck….even more so to Black people. We just presumed they would kill is if we didn't obey their commands.

*If the officer gets convicted in a criminal trial, Trump will pardon him.

cal83dls79 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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For what exactly? The more angles I see, the shoot was justified.

It shouldn't have happened and this is a terrible look. But legally it looks justified

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wrongful death suits for one, but I'm not an attorney. Maybe they can chime in.

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A successful wrongful death suit unfortunately encourages more dangerous behavior by rioting nutjobs. Driving your car at a law enforcement officer pointing a gun at you is the cause of getting shot by that officer. I still think the officer should be fired. We need folks that use better judgment when facing rioting nutjobs.

oski003 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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For what exactly? The more angles I see, the shoot was justified.

It shouldn't have happened and this is a terrible look. But legally it looks justified

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wrongful death suits for one, but I'm not an attorney. Maybe they can chime in.

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A successful wrongful death suit unfortunately encourages more dangerous behavior by rioting nutjobs. Driving your car at a law enforcement officer pointing a gun at you is the cause of getting shot by that officer. I still think the officer should be fired. We need folks that use better judgment when facing rioting nutjobs.

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For one thing, he probably shouldn't have gotten that close to the front of the car. I don't know what official procedure is supposed to be there, but seems like that's asking for trouble.

The ICE shooting is JUSTIFIED.

Claims that the officer "could and should have" noticed wheel turns or intent to maneuver away plainly ignore the established research.

Under acute stress, human perception-reaction time for complex threats (i.e., requiring threat evaluation) is…

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) January 7, 2026

She's trying to get away by running her car into the guy?

Again, I'm not for this. At all. Awful awful awful. I'm sad for this woman's family.

Purportedly all the videos:

https://mol.im/a/15443379

Yeah you could be right. Can one still sue for wrongful death if a court finds the officer not at fault?

Again I'm not an attorney but isn't the bar lower in a civil suit?

I think you're correct there. Sorry, wasn't directing the question at you specifically. Just posing the question to the group at large