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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:50a, 1/24/26
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shooter pulls gun at 18 second mark and then slinks off towards camera


Multiple ICE officers shot and it's because the person tried to pull a gun out on them. Another sad but justified shoot
haven't seen that video of him drawing the weapon. Was it a legal firearm?


Doesn't matter if it was legal or not if he tried to use it against law enforcement. I agree you can't see if he pulls it from this angle.
it would matter if he didn't draw the weapon. Minnesota is concealed carry. So if officer wasn't threatened…….so I'm curious how it can be deemed justified if he wasn't pulling it?
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 8:55a, 1/24/26
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BearlySane88 said:
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shooter pulls gun at 18 second mark and then slinks off towards camera


Multiple ICE officers shot and it's because the person tried to pull a gun out on them. Another sad but justified shoot
haven't seen that video of him drawing the weapon. Was it a legal firearm?


Doesn't matter if it was legal or not if he tried to use it against law enforcement. I agree you can't see if he pulls it from this angle.
it would matter if he didn't draw the weapon. Minnesota is concealed carry. So if officer wasn't threatened…….so I'm curious how it can be deemed justified if he wasn't pulling it?


I said it doesn't matter if it's legal or not IF he tried to use it on law enforcement. I also agreed with you that you can't see if he pulled it out in this video but that doesn't mean he didn't

I'm not sure what the point of your post is.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:01a, 1/24/26
You said "definitely a justified shoot".

To quote:

"Multiple ICE officers shot and it's because the person tried to pull a gun out on them. Another sad but justified shoot"
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:04a, 1/24/26
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He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 9:05a, 1/24/26
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You said "definitely a justified shoot".


That isn't what I said. If you're gonna quote me, quote me accurately at least.

I said "Another sad but justified shoot"

I don't wish death on anyone but I believe law enforcement. I agreed you can't see him pulling it but that doesn't mean I think it didn't happen

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In reply to sycasey • 9:06a, 1/24/26
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He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?


Where am I getting the post from?
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:08a, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
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He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?


Where am I getting the post from?

Where do you see that he pulled a gun on the officers?
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 9:10a, 1/24/26
Trump supporters will always believe law enforcement, even if it's an ILLEGAL shoot.

For them, the ends justify the means.

This is right out of the Stephen Miller "Storm is Coming" playbook that we heard at the Charlie Kirk memorial.


"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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In reply to sycasey • 9:10a, 1/24/26
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https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again
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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:11a, 1/24/26
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Trump supporters will always believe law enforcement, even if it's an ILLEGAL shoot.

For them, the ends justify the means.


Absolutely not the case for me. In cases that prove an officer involved shooting was unjustified, I 100% stand with the victim of the shooting.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:18a, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:




He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?


Where am I getting the post from?

Where do you see that he pulled a gun on the officers?


" The shooting happened after the man brandished a firearm with two magazines, a law enforcement source told The Post, sharing a photo of the firearm."

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:19a, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:20a, 1/24/26
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:




He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?


Where am I getting the post from?

Where do you see that he pulled a gun on the officers?


" The shooting happened after the man brandished a firearm with two magazines, a law enforcement source told The Post, sharing a photo of the firearm."


I don't believe anything ICE or DHS claims without further evidence.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:22a, 1/24/26
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BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?


I imagine it was clear to everyone that she had a nosebleed. If you've ever been around kids, nosebleeds are a part of life. Would you have preferred they broke the family up? I thought the left was against separating families in these situations.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:22a, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:




He had a gun and attempted to pull it out while being apprehended. This outcome would have happened in any law enforcement situation. It's sad that this person was shot but you're not presenting all the facts here in this situation


It's a "fact" that he pulled a gun on the officers? That is not visible in the footage. Where are you getting that from?


Where am I getting the post from?

Where do you see that he pulled a gun on the officers?


" The shooting happened after the man brandished a firearm with two magazines, a law enforcement source told The Post, sharing a photo of the firearm."


I don't believe anything ICE or DHS claims without further evidence.


And that's your absolute right. I stand on the other side of that argument.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:31a, 1/24/26
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I don't believe anything ICE or DHS claims without further evidence.


Especially if it's directly shared with Faux News or the NY PoSt. The propaganda out of this Administration would make Joseph Goebbels proud.

And now ICE is saying that they can violate the 4th Amendment without a warrant .... because of a "memo".

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:32a, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:

I don't believe anything ICE or DHS claims without further evidence.


Especially if it's directly shared with Faux News or the NY PoSt. The propaganda out of this Administration would make Joseph Goebbels proud!


Did you have issue when the Biden administration shared news directly with CNN?

The Nazi rhetoric is tired and a blatant insult and falsehood.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:33a, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?


I imagine it was clear to everyone that she had a nosebleed. If you've ever been around kids, nosebleeds are a part of life. Would you have preferred they broke the family up? I thought the left was against separating families in these situations.

I would prefer they let the hospital check them out first, since they were there for a reason. I would prefer that people who are actually trying to use the legal immigration system properly not be disappeared to detention centers.

Your false choice is ridiculous.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:36a, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?


I imagine it was clear to everyone that she had a nosebleed. If you've ever been around kids, nosebleeds are a part of life. Would you have preferred they broke the family up? I thought the left was against separating families in these situations.

I would prefer they let the hospital check them out first, since they were there for a reason. I would prefer that people who are actually trying to use the legal immigration system properly not be disappeared to detention centers.

Your false choice is ridiculous.


There was no false choice. The family is illegal. They either separate the kid from her parents or arrest them all.

If you really wanted the asylum system to be respected then you should have told the Biden administration to stop letting people claim false asylum because now all asylum seekers are under intense scrutiny.

They will have the right to go in front of an immigration judge and their status in this country will be determined as deemed by law.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:50a, 1/24/26
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?


I imagine it was clear to everyone that she had a nosebleed. If you've ever been around kids, nosebleeds are a part of life. Would you have preferred they broke the family up? I thought the left was against separating families in these situations.

I would prefer they let the hospital check them out first, since they were there for a reason. I would prefer that people who are actually trying to use the legal immigration system properly not be disappeared to detention centers.

Your false choice is ridiculous.


There was no false choice. The family is illegal. They either separate the kid from her parents or arrest them all.

If you really wanted the asylum system to be respected then you should have told the Biden administration to stop letting people claim false asylum because now all asylum seekers are under intense scrutiny.

They will have the right to go in front of an immigration judge and their status in this country will be determined as deemed by law.

In that case I encourage this government to take its case to the American people and see if they like families getting this kind of treatment. Should be an easy boost for their popularity.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:55a, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:


https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2026/01/ice-detains-family-seeking-emergency-care-for-child-at-portland-hospital.html

The girl had a nosebleed, they didn't refuse her life saving treatment. Such a misleading post once again

The medical experts with ICE were able to determine this in a hospital parking lot before detaining the child?


I imagine it was clear to everyone that she had a nosebleed. If you've ever been around kids, nosebleeds are a part of life. Would you have preferred they broke the family up? I thought the left was against separating families in these situations.

I would prefer they let the hospital check them out first, since they were there for a reason. I would prefer that people who are actually trying to use the legal immigration system properly not be disappeared to detention centers.

Your false choice is ridiculous.


There was no false choice. The family is illegal. They either separate the kid from her parents or arrest them all.

If you really wanted the asylum system to be respected then you should have told the Biden administration to stop letting people claim false asylum because now all asylum seekers are under intense scrutiny.

They will have the right to go in front of an immigration judge and their status in this country will be determined as deemed by law.

In that case I encourage this government to take its case to the American people and see if they like families getting this kind of treatment. Should be an easy boost for their popularity.


77 million+ people already voted for this.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:57a, 1/24/26
I quoted you after I paraphrased. But nice try to weasel. Now you are just twisting your own words. Own the fact that you thought the shot was justified AND you could not see if the guy drew the gun.
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 9:59a, 1/24/26
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I quoted you after I paraphrased. But nice try to weasel. Now you are just twisting your own words. Own the fact that you thought the shot was justified AND you could not see if the guy drew the gun.


lol what? You put in quotes something I didn't say then edited it after I already responded to your post. You don't put quotes on something paraphrased. I still think the shooting is justified. I haven't changed course once on this matter. You seem to be confused
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In reply to sycasey • 10:01a, 1/24/26
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Very sad that this man was killed. As I've repeatedly said here, I wish death on no one.

There is absolutely no way you can see that the gun in the ICE agent's hand is the same gun recovered from the man who was shot.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:02a, 1/24/26
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Aunburdened said:
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BearlySane88 said:
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BearlySane88 said:
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Is this video supposed to teach me something?


We listen when minorities speak. Isn't that what the left says?

I listened. And?


And nothing. You just listen. You can't go against a minorities statements. You're a racist then.

See how dumb that is?

Sure, I never agreed with that kind of thing.

But this guy isn't even really saying anything.

So close, and yet so far....

Explain it to me like I'm 5.

Try re-listening to the video, but instead of focusing on what he's saying, try paying attention to the responses he's getting in the video. If that's too difficult for you to understand, maybe political satire is just too complex for you.

I want you to give me your explanation of what you think he's satirizing and why this satire needs to be directed at me. Don't dance around, state your case.


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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:03a, 1/24/26
BearlySane88 said:
cal83dls79 said:
I quoted you after I paraphrased. But nice try to weasel. Now you are just twisting your own words. Own the fact that you thought the shot was justified AND you could not see if the guy drew the gun.


lol what? You put in quotes something I didn't say then edited it after I already responded to your post. I still think the shooting is justified. I haven't changed course once on this matter. You seem to be confused
ok, that clears it up. Fyi, my edit was made the second I first posted. I can't help it if you are monitoring this site like every second. My bad lol.
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 10:06a, 1/24/26
cal83dls79 said:
BearlySane88 said:
cal83dls79 said:
I quoted you after I paraphrased. But nice try to weasel. Now you are just twisting your own words. Own the fact that you thought the shot was justified AND you could not see if the guy drew the gun.


lol what? You put in quotes something I didn't say then edited it after I already responded to your post. I still think the shooting is justified. I haven't changed course once on this matter. You seem to be confused
ok, that clears it up. Fyi, my edit was made the second I first posted. I can't help it if you are monitoring this site like every second. My bad lol.


Funny when you just responded to my post within minutes lol. Quote me all you want but don't paraphrase my words and call them mine.
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In reply to cal83dls79 • 10:08a, 1/24/26
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ok, that clears it up. Fyi, my edit was made the second I first posted. I can't help it if you are monitoring this site like every second. My bad lol.


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10:14a, 1/24/26
My apologies if this story has already been posted. Anyway, all of this unnecessary death and misery is brought to you by the so-called pro-life, pro-child party.

EDIT:
I didn't mean to use that emoji in my reply.

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In reply to chazzed • 10:17a, 1/24/26
chazzed said:
My apologies if this story has already been posted. Anyway, all of this unnecessary death and misery is brought to you by the so-called pro-life, pro-child party.

EDIT
I didn't mean to use that emoji in my reply.



It has been covered here and she was returned to her mother.
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In reply to chazzed • 10:26a, 1/24/26
Yup.

ICE didn't care about the judges order for release.
They don't care about violating the 4th Amendment either.



"The case was quickly assigned to a judge, who signed an order for the toddler's release at 8:10 p.m. Jan. 22, attorney Irina Vaynerman said.

Roughly 20 minutes later, the lawyers learned the child and her father had already been placed on the flight to Texas. They were transferred out of state within about eight hours of their detainment.

"To me, that is clearly part of this effort to try to evade the court's jurisdiction," said Vaynerman, the CEO of Groundwork Legal. "We have never seen this level of depravity with a 2-year-old."

On Jan. 23, she said the girl has been reunited with her mother, but wasn't available to provide additional details."
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In reply to bearister • 10:30a, 1/24/26
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Border Patrol agents

sick btards
FUNK TRUNK !
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:31a, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:




Very sad that this man was killed. As I've repeatedly said here, I wish death on no one.

There is absolutely no way you can see that the gun in the ICE agent's hand is the same gun recovered from the man who was shot.

You can't be sure it's the same gun, no. But this doesn't look good for ICE.
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