The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.
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sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.
You're right.
It wasnt.
And this whole spectacle flies in the face of the 10th Amendment. I wouldn't be surprised if both Noem and Bondi get canned. They are clearly political liabilities for Trump.
We all know what we saw on video.
A 37 year old nurse was murdered by ICE agents who were poorly trained.
You'd have to be BLIND not to see that.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.
For the 1,000th time. Pretti was not at a protest. There was no protest. The protesters arrived *after* the shooting. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal agents. Stop saying he was at a protest, it’s just a lie.
— David Marcus (@BlueBoxDave) January 26, 2026
Kash Patel says you cannot bring a fire arm to a protest.
Another Trump appointee who doesn't know what the 2nd Amendment says.
Shocker.
Kash Patel Sparks Fury From Gun Rights Groups Over Alex Pretti Remarks - Newsweek
https://share.google/m561V7r04W5eXOLRm
Another Trump appointee who doesn't know what the 2nd Amendment says.
Shocker.
Kash Patel Sparks Fury From Gun Rights Groups Over Alex Pretti Remarks - Newsweek
https://share.google/m561V7r04W5eXOLRm
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
BearlySane88 said:bearister said:
"The NRA labelled a suggestion by a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns risk being lawfully shot by officers as "dangerous and wrong".
NRA and other US gun activists push back at Trump officials over Minneapolis shooting https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvg812n01no
The NRA may not have supported the Panthers right to bear arms when the Mulford Act was enacted in California in 1967, but dag nabbit, they sure are going to lean hard into the right to pack a permitted carried pistola to a demonstration, because you never know when some commie like Gavin Newsom becomes POTUS and an Idaho militia wants to demonstrate against one of his Pinko policies and bring their Glocks.
No, people who carry guns and put hands on LEOs risk being lawfully shot.
Pretti risked being unlawfully shot and killed by inadequately trained ICE officers.
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:bearister said:
Pretti risked being unlawfully shot and killed by inadequately trained ICE officers.
Bingo.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
I interviewed over half a dozen ICE and Border Patrol agents about Alex Pretti's death and every single one of them blame the Border Patrol agenthttps://t.co/lvBEGegvKz
— Ken Klippenstein (NSPM-7 Compliant) (@kenklippenstein) January 27, 2026
Quote:
An ICE agent was even more critical. "Yet another 'justified' fatal shooting … ten versus one and somehow they couldn't find a way to subdue the guy or use a less than lethal [means]," the agent said. "They all carry belts and vests with 9,000 pieces of equipment on them and the best they can do is shoot a guy in the back?"
BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.For the 1,000th time. Pretti was not at a protest. There was no protest. The protesters arrived *after* the shooting. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal agents. Stop saying he was at a protest, it’s just a lie.
— David Marcus (@BlueBoxDave) January 26, 2026
Pretti kept his distance and only stepped in when an agent shoved a woman to the ground and pepper sprayed her. He did not disrupt any valid operations.
movielover said:One reason we're only seeing tepid participation from the usual BLM crowd joining the anti-ICE chaos in MN?
— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) January 26, 2026
Mass immigration has hit working-class Black communities hard.
We haven't yet, and likely won't, see a strong BLM-style rally against border enforcement anytime soon.
I hate to have to point out the obvious but it sure seems it need to be done: the protests aren't about border enforcement. An attempt to narrow it down to that is disingenuous, slimy and transparent.
Also, here's a real gem of a quote I found from the man who is "Election Wizard" that I'd love for him to revisit this week as it seems to touch on a couple of items…
"Vernier didn't say if he planned to include in his course material the comments he made on his Election Wizard account in support for the "Constitutional Sheriff" movementwhich is the idea that county sheriffs are essentially above the law and that their authority should supersede that of the federal government.
"I look forward to the constitutionally faithful sheriffs setting up their counties as 'Second Amendment Sanctuaries' in the coming months," Vernier wrote in June last year under his Election Wizard moniker."
Of course, that article is from 3 years ago and his views on this likely changed last January and this past Saturday.
Y'all are shallow dingbats who had the entire script flipped on you this past Saturday. There are a lot of reasonable people out there and they're not cool with what's happening and they're not going to support it in its current form like you do.
Judge Martinez' injunction against ICE was overturned. I characterized it as an order to obey the law. The Ct of Appeals stayed the injunction in part for that very reason, which makes it too vague.
BearlySane88 said:SpecSlayer said:
In one reply you argue that this is an AI image, and in another you argue as if the image was real?
No?
I didn't argue it was AI. I informed that it is AI enhanced as the dude has no head. X has been all over that. It's an AI enhanced version of a screenshot from the video to give it better quality.
However, I am arguing that nothing in that image shows him restrained in the slightest.
Yep. 10 in the back, please. He looks like a threat there. A+ work.
Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?
The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.
The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.For the 1,000th time. Pretti was not at a protest. There was no protest. The protesters arrived *after* the shooting. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal agents. Stop saying he was at a protest, it’s just a lie.
— David Marcus (@BlueBoxDave) January 26, 2026
Pretti kept his distance and only stepped in when an agent shoved a woman to the ground and pepper sprayed her. He did not disrupt any valid operations.
You assume a citizen has the right to intervene. That is generally incorrect. See State vs Holman:
"The arrestee's right to freedom from arrest without excessive force that falls short of causing serious injury or death can be protected and vindicated through legal processes, whereas loss of life or serious physical injury cannot be repaired in the courtroom. However, in the vast majority of cases, as illustrated by the one at bar, resistance and intervention make matters worse, not better. They create violence where none would have otherwise existed or encourage further violence, resulting in a situation of arrest by combat. Police today are sometimes required to use lethal weapons for self-protection. If there is resistance on behalf of the person lawfully arrested and others go to his aid, the situation can degenerate to the point that what should have been a simple lawful arrest leads to serious injury or death to the arrestee, the police or innocent bystanders. Orderly and safe law enforcement demands that an arrestee not resist a lawful arrest and a bystander not intervene on his behalf unless the arrestee is actually about to be seriously injured or killed."
DiabloWags said:
Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?
The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.
Friendly reminder that two of us have sided with the officer who shot the J6 woman going through the window. I think I have characterized her actions about the same as I characterized Goode and Pretti - stupid, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, etc.
I don't equate Ashli Babbits death where she was invading the house speaker's lobby with a mob that potentially put the safety of Congressman at risk, with that of one individual in a public street named Alex Pretti.
Clearly two different circumstances.
I'm surprised that you would equate them.
Clearly two different circumstances.
I'm surprised that you would equate them.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
bearister said:BearlySane88 said:bearister said:
"The NRA labelled a suggestion by a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns risk being lawfully shot by officers as "dangerous and wrong".
NRA and other US gun activists push back at Trump officials over Minneapolis shooting https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvg812n01no
The NRA may not have supported the Panthers right to bear arms when the Mulford Act was enacted in California in 1967, but dag nabbit, they sure are going to lean hard into the right to pack a permitted carried pistola to a demonstration, because you never know when some commie like Gavin Newsom becomes POTUS and an Idaho militia wants to demonstrate against one of his Pinko policies and bring their Glocks.
No, people who carry guns and put hands on LEOs risk being lawfully shot.
Pretti risked being unlawfully shot and killed by inadequately trained ICE officers.
Nah he risked it by interfering and resisting while armed.
sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.For the 1,000th time. Pretti was not at a protest. There was no protest. The protesters arrived *after* the shooting. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal agents. Stop saying he was at a protest, it’s just a lie.
— David Marcus (@BlueBoxDave) January 26, 2026
Pretti kept his distance and only stepped in when an agent shoved a woman to the ground and pepper sprayed her. He did not disrupt any valid operations.
He was in the middle of the road. Then decided it was a good idea to put hands on an LEO. While armed. Then resisted. While armed. He made silly choice after silly choice for someone just "protesting"
Haloski said:movielover said:One reason we're only seeing tepid participation from the usual BLM crowd joining the anti-ICE chaos in MN?
— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) January 26, 2026
Mass immigration has hit working-class Black communities hard.
We haven't yet, and likely won't, see a strong BLM-style rally against border enforcement anytime soon.
I hate to have to point out the obvious but it sure seems it need to be done: the protests aren't about border enforcement. An attempt to narrow it down to that is disingenuous, slimy and transparent.
Also, here's a real gem of a quote I found from the man who is "Election Wizard" that I'd love for him to revisit this week as it seems to touch on a couple of items…
"Vernier didn't say if he planned to include in his course material the comments he made on his Election Wizard account in support for the "Constitutional Sheriff" movementwhich is the idea that county sheriffs are essentially above the law and that their authority should supersede that of the federal government.
"I look forward to the constitutionally faithful sheriffs setting up their counties as 'Second Amendment Sanctuaries' in the coming months," Vernier wrote in June last year under his Election Wizard moniker."
Of course, that article is from 3 years ago and his views on this likely changed last January and this past Saturday.
Y'all are shallow dingbats who had the entire script flipped on you this past Saturday. There are a lot of reasonable people out there and they're not cool with what's happening and they're not going to support it in its current form like you do.
Nobody here has a problem with second amendment but the lefties.
Haloski said:BearlySane88 said:SpecSlayer said:
In one reply you argue that this is an AI image, and in another you argue as if the image was real?
No?
I didn't argue it was AI. I informed that it is AI enhanced as the dude has no head. X has been all over that. It's an AI enhanced version of a screenshot from the video to give it better quality.
However, I am arguing that nothing in that image shows him restrained in the slightest.
Yep. 10 in the back, please. He looks like a threat there. A+ work.
The courts have ruled that it's not about the moment of shooting, it's about the totality of the events that led up to the shooting
DiabloWags said:
Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?
The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.
Uh it did. And she was unarmed. Where have you been?
tequila4kapp said:sycasey said:BearlySane88 said:sycasey said:
The only thing Pretti "disrupted" was an agent shoving a woman protester to the ground and spraying her in the face. I find it hard to believe that this was an important law-enforcement action that required lethal force in response to the disruption.For the 1,000th time. Pretti was not at a protest. There was no protest. The protesters arrived *after* the shooting. He was involved in an organized direct action to impede federal agents. Stop saying he was at a protest, it’s just a lie.
— David Marcus (@BlueBoxDave) January 26, 2026
Pretti kept his distance and only stepped in when an agent shoved a woman to the ground and pepper sprayed her. He did not disrupt any valid operations.
You assume a citizen has the right to intervene. That is generally incorrect. See State vs Holman:
"The arrestee's right to freedom from arrest without excessive force that falls short of causing serious injury or death can be protected and vindicated through legal processes, whereas loss of life or serious physical injury cannot be repaired in the courtroom. However, in the vast majority of cases, as illustrated by the one at bar, resistance and intervention make matters worse, not better. They create violence where none would have otherwise existed or encourage further violence, resulting in a situation of arrest by combat. Police today are sometimes required to use lethal weapons for self-protection. If there is resistance on behalf of the person lawfully arrested and others go to his aid, the situation can degenerate to the point that what should have been a simple lawful arrest leads to serious injury or death to the arrestee, the police or innocent bystanders. Orderly and safe law enforcement demands that an arrestee not resist a lawful arrest and a bystander not intervene on his behalf unless the arrestee is actually about to be seriously injured or killed."
Bingo.
tequila4kapp said:DiabloWags said:
Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?
The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.
Friendly reminder that two of us have sided with the officer who shot the J6 woman going through the window. I think I have characterized her actions about the same as I characterized Goode and Pretti - stupid, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, etc.
Yep. Say it again louder for those in the back!
DiabloWags said:
I don't equate Ashli Babbits death where she was invading the house speaker's lobby with a mob that potentially put the safety of Congressman at risk, with that of one individual in a public street named Alex Pretti.
Clearly two different circumstances.
I'm surprised that you would equate them.
You're right, one was armed and one wasn't. And it was you that brought up Jan 6 lol
You give him LIFE
A VERY WELL DESERVED ICE COLD BEER!!!😎🇺🇸❄️❄️❄️pic.twitter.com/oB5shy9vbG
— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) January 27, 2026
They protest while ICE recuperates.
BREAKING: 8th Circuit Court of Appeals rules in favor of Trump admin allowing ICE agents to arrest, detain, pepper-spray or retaliate against violent anti-ICE rioters, in Minneapolis, without probable cause, per FOX
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) January 27, 2026
The moment Alex Pretti made physical contact with the first CBP officer he committed a forcible federal felony good for 8 years in a federal penitentiary, under 18 USC §111.
— Andrew Branca Show (@TheBrancaShow) January 26, 2026
From that point on CBP was making the arrest of a violent felony suspect, armed with a gun, forcibly,… https://t.co/RyaIi4T2lV
HAPPENING NOW: A mob of protesters descend upon a group of girls in Phoenix who took selfies with ICE agents. https://t.co/1pHE5k5m2G pic.twitter.com/a5NGqIwM3X
— R.C. Maxwell 🇺🇸 (@RCMaxw3ll) January 27, 2026
"Based on available reports as of late January 2026, no independent, recognized use-of-force experts have publicly opined that the shooting of Alex Pretti was justifiable."
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bearister said:
"Based on available reports as of late January 2026, no independent, recognized use-of-force experts have publicly opined that the shooting of Alex Pretti was justifiable."
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And yet there are people who are in complete DENIAL.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
NOW: ARRESTS of Anti-ICE Protesters after Police declare an unlawful assembly outside of the Springhill Suites Hotel in Maple Grove Minnesota pic.twitter.com/01BNLawnO2
— Oliya Scootercaster 🛴 (@ScooterCasterNY) January 27, 2026
ICE bro's are hanging out in the hall of their hotel, drinking beers and watching the local PD FINALLY kick the shit out of their own rioters
— The Watcher On The Web (@WatcherontheWeb) January 27, 2026
Meanwhile the shitlib revcoms in the street getting arrested are shrieking about "YoU aRe AlL tRaItORs" and "I tHoUgHt ThIs WaS aMeRiCa"… pic.twitter.com/ttyMDXXTsy
🇺🇸 The gun Peretti had behind his belt is known to have accidental discharges.
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) January 26, 2026
It can fire during normal handling.
pic.twitter.com/kD1K2BIH74
You people who are still defending this killing, you are at least twelve hours behind the news cycle. Even Trump himself is backpedaling... and he basically never backpedals. Please at least get the latest talking points (which start with "Governor Walz and I had a great talk. We will be working together... ").
Of course the late Mr. Pretti, if he wanted to be sure to keep himself out of harm's way, should have stayed ten feet back, or not brought his firearm with him... or both. But that in no way justifies what happened to him.
"LEO", LOL: These are hastily-organized, rag-tag, under-trained, overly-testosteroned, formerly-unemployed clowns, some of whom are still wearing the jeans they wore when they were first recruited off the streets. They look and behave like the groups of thugs you see riding in the back of pick-ups in South Sudan. And this is why even freaking Trump is pulling them out of Minnesota.
Get a clue: Trump is all about "going too far", but this time he really crossed the line and even he knows it.
Of course the late Mr. Pretti, if he wanted to be sure to keep himself out of harm's way, should have stayed ten feet back, or not brought his firearm with him... or both. But that in no way justifies what happened to him.
"LEO", LOL: These are hastily-organized, rag-tag, under-trained, overly-testosteroned, formerly-unemployed clowns, some of whom are still wearing the jeans they wore when they were first recruited off the streets. They look and behave like the groups of thugs you see riding in the back of pick-ups in South Sudan. And this is why even freaking Trump is pulling them out of Minnesota.
Get a clue: Trump is all about "going too far", but this time he really crossed the line and even he knows it.
bearister said:
"Based on available reports as of late January 2026, no independent, recognized use-of-force experts have publicly opined that the shooting of Alex Pretti was justifiable."
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That strikes me as a premature or incomplete (or both) statement. We do not know what the LEO saw or heard. We cannot make a call on the shooting without that info.
A person resisting arrest had a gun. That defacto increases the probability of the shooting being justifiable. There are some reports there was an accidental discharge. That would justify the shooting. There are other reports someone - likely a LEO - yelled "gun". That could easily lead to a conclusion the shooting was justified. There is video showing Pretti reaching in his holster and pulling out what appears to be a magazine (metal object that could easily be mistaken for a gun in the heat of the moment).
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