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Zippergate said:

The blood lust here is absolutely insane. I could be wrong about this but in my opinion the primary reason for it is that this appears to be a winning issue for the Democrats. But in winning the political tide, you're losing your humanity. Is it worth it?


"….you're losing your humanity. Is it worth it?"


Care to lay out the bullet points outlining the humanity of the Trump Administration? I would be interested in reviewing them.
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harebear said:



Wasn't someone here recently asking why white visitors aren't being questioned or detained?
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All those Afrikaners coming in to join ICE should be detained.
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bearister said:

All those Afrikaners coming in to join ICE should be detained.

The ones that entered the country legally?
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I guess the Right should doxx you and send a bunch of "protesters" into your workplace, scream at everyone and point a bullhorn in your ear. First amendment, right?

As for the second amendment, the problem isn't that Pretti was carrying, it was that he was resisting arrest while carrying. No gun, no shooting. Put a law enforcement officer in danger, risk getting killed, which is probably exactly what Pretti intended. And we have courts to sort this out. Or at least we did before the Left lynch mob anointed themselves judge and jury.

Since when is the Left concerned about the 10th amendment? I can't believe this is a serious take.
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Simple, like Obama, Clinton, and most other presidents before him, Trump is enforcing immigration law which is his duty. I get it, you live in 1984 where the past doesn't exist any more but some of us actually remember things that happened before 2020.
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Zippergate, what exactly is your point?

We can all acknowledge that Alex Pretti wouldn't have gotten shot had he a) not been carrying a firearm... and/or... b) not put himself between the "officers" and another protester.

But are you validating his killing because of that?
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Virginia Commonwealth University healthcare providers brainstorm on ways to Poison Federal immigration officials

Malinda Rose Cook, a healthcare worker at VCU Health, posted videos encouraging people to inject ICE agents with succinylocholine, a temporary paralysis drug, and/or develop spray poisons to use on them. She also encourages woman to go on dates with agents and drug their food.



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Zippergate said:

I guess the Right should doxx you and send a bunch of "protesters" into your workplace, scream at everyone and point a bullhorn in your ear. First amendment, right?

As for the second amendment, the problem isn't that Pretti was carrying, it was that he was resisting arrest while carrying. No gun, no shooting. Put a law enforcement officer in danger, risk getting killed, which is probably exactly what Pretti intended. And we have courts to sort this out. Or at least we did before the Left lynch mob anointed themselves judge and jury.

Since when is the Left concerned about the 10th amendment? I can't believe this is a serious take.

You're apologizing for a killing and yet accuse us of bloodlust. How odd.
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Something to keep an eye on: is DHS/ICE tracking certain observers and deliberately targeting them?



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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?

The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.

Friendly reminder that two of us have sided with the officer who shot the J6 woman going through the window. I think I have characterized her actions about the same as I characterized Goode and Pretti - stupid, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, etc.

Yep. Say it again louder for those in the back!

When you've got idiots like concordtom making unfounded accusations that you hold positions that you have never espoused, it's no surprise that DiabloWags feels emboldened to make the same assumptions about others here.
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sycasey said:


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An ICE agent was even more critical. "Yet another 'justified' fatal shooting … ten versus one and somehow they couldn't find a way to subdue the guy or use a less than lethal [means]," the agent said. "They all carry belts and vests with 9,000 pieces of equipment on them and the best they can do is shoot a guy in the back?"



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movielover said:

Virginia Commonwealth University healthcare providers brainstorm on ways to Poison Federal immigration officials

Malinda Rose Cook, a healthcare worker at VCU Health, posted videos encouraging people to inject ICE agents with succinylocholine, a temporary paralysis drug, and/or develop spray poisons to use on them. She also encourages woman to go on dates with agents and drug their food.






Thankfully she's been fired but she also needs to lose her license
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Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?

The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.

Friendly reminder that two of us have sided with the officer who shot the J6 woman going through the window. I think I have characterized her actions about the same as I characterized Goode and Pretti - stupid, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, etc.

Yep. Say it again louder for those in the back!

When you've got idiots like concordtom making unfounded accusations that you hold positions that you have never espoused, it's no surprise that DiabloWags feels emboldened to make the same assumptions about others here.

I don't mind that you call me an idiot if I got your position on January 6 wrong. I've got thicker skin than that, and I'm delighted to hear anyone join the cause of ridding our government of coup d'etat participants. I mean, how DISGUSTING that this massive criminal walks freely, let alone hires goons to wreck our country from the inside out!

I DO MIND very much that this website platforms Trump supporters who endlessly post nonsense propaganda about January 6.

Those are people who should be banned from this site!!!

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concordtom said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

Can you imagine what the outcry would be by Trumpers and the MAGA crowd if this had happened to a Jan. 6th protestor?

The HYPOCRISY here is DEAFENING.

Friendly reminder that two of us have sided with the officer who shot the J6 woman going through the window. I think I have characterized her actions about the same as I characterized Goode and Pretti - stupid, reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, etc.

Yep. Say it again louder for those in the back!

When you've got idiots like concordtom making unfounded accusations that you hold positions that you have never espoused, it's no surprise that DiabloWags feels emboldened to make the same assumptions about others here.

I don't mind that you call me an idiot if I got your position on January 6 wrong. I've got thicker skin than that, and I'm delighted to hear anyone join the cause of ridding our government of coup d'etat participants. I mean, how DISGUSTING that this massive criminal walks freely, let alone hires goons to wreck our country from the inside out!

I DO MIND very much that this website platforms Trump supporters who endlessly post nonsense propaganda about January 6.

Those are people who should be banned from this site!!!




And you call us the facists? 90% of posts talking about J6, since I've been active here, have been posted by Trump haters not his supporters
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Zippergate said:

The blood lust here is absolutely insane. I could be wrong about this but in my opinion the primary reason for it is that this appears to be a winning issue for the Democrats. But in winning the political tide, you're losing your humanity. Is it worth it?


What is this "blood lust" you are referring to?
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"The nationwide outrage over Pretti's shooting, just three weeks after Renee Good was shot by an ICE agent in the same city, captures how dramatically opinion has swung on Trump's immigration agenda.

More than 60 CEOs of Minnesota's largest companies, plus local sports teams and even Silicon Valley tech firms that courted Trump's favor, have publicly condemned the shooting and called for de-escalation and accountability.

More than half of Americans say they have "very little confidence" in ICE, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll, matching other surveys showing Trump's approval ratings on immigration at an all-time low.

Between the lines: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's note to staff, first reported by The New York Times, shows how difficult it's become for even Trump-aligned industries to sit out this moment.

Altman praised Trump as a "very strong leader" and said OpenAI would "not get blown around by changing fashions," noting the company didn't become "super woke" or lean into "masculine corporate energy" when those trends were popular.

But he was also unequivocal about Minneapolis: "What's happening with ICE is going too far," Altman wrote, adding that "part of loving the country is the American duty to push back against overreach."
Axios

"Everything I've done, I've done at the direction of the president and Stephen," Noem told a person who relayed her remarks to Axios."

*Ice Barbi will have to deny that statement because one of the job requirements is to always fall on the sword.
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ICE fully geared up for assault on America.

"Upon closer inspection, the agents' equipment tells its own story. Their gear is the physical manifestation of decades of war, fine-tuned and perfected for close-quarters killing over myriad operations in faraway lands but now wielded in broad daylight in American cities. This type of equipment is often reserved for SWAT and hostage rescue units."
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bearister said:

ICE fully geared up fro assault on America.

"Upon closer inspection, the agents' equipment tells its own story. Their gear is the physical manifestation of decades of war, fine-tuned and perfected for close-quarters killing over myriad operations in faraway lands but now wielded in broad daylight in American cities. This type of equipment is often reserved for SWAT and hostage rescue units."
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Why do their uniforms say, "Police?"
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Big C said:

Zippergate, what exactly is your point?

We can all acknowledge that Alex Pretti wouldn't have gotten shot had he a) not been carrying a firearm... and/or... b) not put himself between the "officers" and another protester.

But are you validating his killing because of that?

Not validating it, calling it what it is: a regrettable incident that never would have happened if Pretti hadn't intentionally put himself in such a dangerous situation. Want to be a woke warrior and resist arrest? Fine, just be prepared to do the time and most importantly, don't put law enforcement officers, yourself, and others in danger by carrying your weapon. Isn't this pure common sense? I mean, it's so obvious that one has to wonder what Pretti's intent was given his state of mind. Personally, I think he intended to be a martyr because he knew how the Left and the MSM would treat his death.

Do I think the ICE agent should have fired? I don't know, probably not, but who am I to judge these things? Every law organization has procedures for handling these kinds of incidents. And we have courts. If the ICE agent acted unlawfully, he will be tried in court as is right and just. How soon we forget Saint Floyd. His killer, Chauvin, was tried, convicted and sentenced to a long prison term, much longer than a typical criminal serves for even worse crimes and was allowed to be mercilessly beaten in prison. (and I should add that Chauvin may not have even acted unlawfully but merely followed his training which would make him and his fellow officers not guilty.) This is our justice system. It's not perfect, but it's how we settle these kinds of things.

So what am I against here? I'm against the weaponization of this incident. I'm against calling the ICE agent a murderer. The guy is a human being who is doing a job and trying to get home to his family every night. Put yourself in his shoes for just a moment and ask yourself how you would react having to wrestle a deranged man with a gun on his body. But Pretti didn't use the gun, you say? Doesn't matter. Think about it. Another officer, following procedure, shouts, "Gun!", what's your first instinct? For most people, it is self-preservation. He has a right to defend himself. It's the law and rightfully so. And in the fog of war, unexpected things happen. Whether he and his fellow agents acted appropriately in this particular situation is for the judicial process to decide, but IT AIN'T MURDER. Do words have meaning anymore? Anyone calling this murder is fanning the flames of hate and encouraging more violence. Everything is being reduced to an ends-justify-the-means calculus. Is this really what we have become? Anything to stop Hitler?

I'm afraid that the radical Left looks at cases like Laken Riley and says, "See, the Right weaponizes tragedy so it's okay if we do the same." To that I say, good grief, think deeply about the details of these two cases. They are not the same. If you are outraged by what happened to Pretti and not by what happened to Riley (including all the conditions that were allowed to happen leading up to it), I don't know what to say; it shocks me that an intelligent, decent person could come to that conclusion.
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If it's a first time offense she should just get a brief timeout. We need medical professionals
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Meh, he's a murderer and ICE is meandering band of fat f*&ks lacking training and taught to hate. Sadness for what we have become.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

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Then Michael Byrd is a murderer. Waiting for the outrage. Not going to hold my breath.

Unity? If unity means bowing down to whatever the radical Left says, thanks but no thanks. We will have division. Lots of it, so be it.
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SBGold said:

Meh, he's a murderer and ICE is meandering band of fat f*&ks lacking training and taught to hate. Sadness for what we have become.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever


If anyone actually thinks that these ICE troopers are trained properly and have had to achieve a certain level of proficiency and professionalism before hitting the streets . . . I've got a BRIDGE that I'd like to sell you down in Arizona.

It's amazing how many fellow Cal Bears here have actually BLAMED the VICTIM.

I guess they don't care about the 1st, 2nd, or 10th Amendment.
And yet they allegedly graduated from a school that embraced the 1st Amendment in spades since 1964.

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Zippergate said:

I'm afraid that the radical Left looks at cases like Laken Riley and says, "See, the Right weaponizes tragedy so it's okay if we do the same." To that I say, good grief, think deeply about the details of these two cases. They are not the same. If you are outraged by what happened to Pretti and not by what happened to Riley (including all the conditions that were allowed to happen leading up to it), I don't know what to say; it shocks me that an intelligent, decent person could come to that conclusion.

Riley's killer was caught and prosecuted by the government and sentenced to life in prison.

Meanwhile, the government is covering up for the guys who killed Alex Pretti, mostly because it WAS the government who killed him. That's the difference.
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Zippergate said:

Then Michael Byrd is a murderer. Waiting for the outrage. Not going to hold my breath.

I have watched video footage of both incidents and it is clear to me that there was way more reason for Byrd to believe there was an active physical threat coming at him than there was for the agents who shot Alex Pretti. I don't know how anyone could watch both incidents side-by-side and come to any other conclusion unless you're being completely dishonest about it.

You can still potentially believe that Ashli Babbitt's killing was an unreasonable use of force. There's an argument for that. But the situations are not remotely the same.
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Bingo.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension was refused access to the scene.
Same with Minneapolis police.

Meanwhile, the FBI which normally plays a key role in any case in which a federal law enforcement officer kills a civilian . . . is instead only lending support in processing physical evidence from the scene, such as Pretty's gun, which we already know did not comply with chain of command SOP given the report sent to Congress yesterday.

Moreover, the Civil Rights Division of the DoJ investigates shootings of civilians by law enforcement for potential criminal violations. In the case of Renee Good, Deputy Attorney Todd Blanche said in a statement earlier this month, "there is currently no basis for a criminal civil rights investigation."

Let the cover up begin!


What we know about investigations into the death of Alex Pretti | AP News
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Active Self Protection has just completed their analysis. They've analyzed hundreds of armed encounters in the US and the world…..lots in Brazil. These are ex-LE that advise LE etc. Grade for ICE: D-

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Seriously, a lot of banning should occur. It's damn free for all in OT currently with these MAGAs

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I do not support any further bans on this site, other than for breaking the stated rules (personal attacks, etc.).
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oski003 said:

bearister said:

ICE fully geared up fro assault on America.

"Upon closer inspection, the agents' equipment tells its own story. Their gear is the physical manifestation of decades of war, fine-tuned and perfected for close-quarters killing over myriad operations in faraway lands but now wielded in broad daylight in American cities. This type of equipment is often reserved for SWAT and hostage rescue units."
NY Times






Why do their uniforms say, "Police?"


"ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) agents often wear vests marked "POLICE" to utilize a recognized symbol of authority, which helps facilitate, or acts as a "ruse" for, entering homes and conducting operations without immediately identifying as federal immigration enforcement. While they are federal agents, not local police, they use this tactic for compliance and safety.

Key reasons and context regarding ICE using "POLICE" on uniforms:
Ruse Tactics: ICE agents frequently use the term "police" to gain cooperation or entry into homes, as residents may be more likely to open the door for local police than for immigration agents.

Operational Safety & Recognition: ICE representatives claim that "police" is a universally recognized term for law enforcement, making it effective for identifying themselves as such.

Uniform Ambiguity: According to the ACLU of Southern California, ICE agents often wear plain clothes or tactical vests that lack specific agency identification, opting for the generic "POLICE" label.

Distinction from Local Law Enforcement: While ICE agents are federal law enforcement officers, they are distinct from local police departments, a fact that can be obscured by this labeling.
Controversy and Legal Action: This practice has drawn criticism and lawsuits, with some jurisdictions, such as California, moving to restrict or ban the use of "police" by immigration agents to avoid confusion and protect trust in local police."
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bearister said:

ICE fully geared up for assault on America.

This type of equipment is often reserved for SWAT and hostage rescue units."
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Bingo.

This type of equipment (and most likely their training) has very little to do with public protests.
It's shocking that there are people who are BLIND and IGNORANT to this.

Even Rand Paul pointed this out the other day:


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